The emails will not be Hillary's downfall, but it will be the media that

[mfcorey1]

has paired with the republicans to apply the same swiftboating tactics they used on Howard Dean and John Kerry. JUST COLLECTING MY THOUGHTS! Chuckie Todd leads the pack!

[onehandle]

1. Nothing will bring her down, but swiftboating is coming from the left too.

See: Democratic Underground, using Ann Coulter, Fox News, Breitbart, The Blaze and other usual suspects to attack Hillary.

Won't work.

#45

[Kingofalldems]

4. Coming from the left and from right wingers

posing as leftist Sanders supporters.

[thecrow]

5. Beautiful pic!

😊

[karynnj]

8. It is not swiftboating

Reporting that HRC had a private server and that she kept all her messages for two years after she was in office is not swiftboating.

1) it is not attacking the sacrifice that military service list by lying about it.

2) unlike Kerry's service, there really were some questionable things done here.

[pnwmom]

9. It is when they don't report that Powell did the same thing, under the same law -- EXCEPT

that he ordered all his emails destroyed when he left office.

[karynnj]

10. not swiftboating

You are not even saying that it is a lie. Rather you concede the story is true, but that not all mitigating points are included in every article. Many did include that Powell used a personal email and years after the fact did not retain them. Not exactly the same as going out of your way to set up a private server.

I would immediately agree that no SOS should use personal email, but that does not mean that she did nothing wrong.

In 2004, the Navy record showed that as a young man Kerry was an exceptionally brave hero. He risked his life for his country and to save other Americans. Swiftboating was lying about his actions and indirectly his character then.

Note, it would have been fair game to speak of his oposition to the war or his opposition as a Senator to funding the Contras. Both were actions taken knowing they would not help him. (the Clintons publicly t favored changing the law to aid the Contras.) Actions like those were why the right fought Kerry as they did.

But the reason they lied about his service was obvious from when he reconnected with the Republican law enforcement officer he saved when he was a young Navy officer and the man was a marine. The scene seemed like it was scripted by Kapra - down to the reluctance on JK' s part to accept that what he did was inusual. Unchallenged, JK'S service defined his character and that scared them.

Swiftboating was far worse than portraying an opponent in the most negative light possible or even just lying about them. By the way, having been a mom, "Powell did it too" would not have cut it as an excuse.

[pnwmom]

11. What stories? There are dozens of conflicting stories out there.

But it is true that she used a personal email, just as Colin Powell did, and she followed the law, as he did. But unlike him, she retained the emails and turned them over.

You're right about what they did to Kerry being qualitatively different.

But this whole email controversy is just another kind of dirty trick, in my opinion. They're using retroactive classification to redact material in emails now, and then pretending that it was wrong for Hillary ever to have been sent the emails -- some of which were just discussions of articles in the newspaper!

[karynnj]

12. the difference is nor qualitative

Many people have explained that the emails may well have contained information that was classified at the point sent. Not to mention these were email sent to her and top aides, not sent by HRC.

I once had a secret - and briefly top secret - clearance because of work that Bell Labs did for the Navy. It meant that I could not tell friends and family all that much about what we were doing. I knew that doing so would be a violation even though I was not giving them classified documents.

No one, other than HRC, EXCLUSIVELY used a private server. The investigation will show if anyone - most likely her people brought in to state - wrote things that should have been classified at that point in time. They, not her, seem to be the targets. However, the closer to her they are if there are people who did this, the more it impacts her.

The reason everyone who has had a negative charge thrown at them rushes to say they were swiftboating is that the word carries with it the meaning that the charges were completely politically motivated lies and that they were dishonorable. Not to mention, they attempted to tarnish genuine service to the country where JK risked his young, very privileged life on a daily basis.

Compare that to something that is at worst a truth written in the darkest light to give the most negative appearance.

[pnwmom]

13. There is not a single non-anonymous source that has demonstrated that she sent classified material.

Not one.

You're just swallowing the Grassley B.S., hook, line, and sinker.

[karynnj]

14. I wrote that OTHERS are said to have sent her things

That may have been classified at the time. I then said IF THESE people are found by the investigation to have sent classified info are close aides of hers, it will be a problem.

So, please respond to what I actually wrote and stop your idiotic bullying.

[6000eliot]

15. Thank you! I will contribute to Hillary's campaign in your honor.

[karynnj]

17. it's your money, but this is still not swiftboating

[6000eliot]

18. Another donation! Thank you!

[karynnj]

19. go for 3 if you want, suit yourself - it is still not swiftboating

[spanone]

2. agreed. the media hates the clintons and will not allow Hillary to run if they can help it.

why else would trey gowdy be on the sunday 'news' shows?

[NanceGreggs]

3. The media has been "paired" with Republicans ...

... since Bill Clinton first ran for the presidency. It's nothing new.

When you think of all the shit that's been flung at both Bill & Hill for decades now, the fact that they are not only still standin' - but are still widely respected the world over - tells you exactly what impact the endless MSM and GOP-bashing has accomplished in the great scheme of things - i.e. sweet fuck all.

[ericson00]

16. not to mention that Bill won electoral landslides and decisive margins of victory

twice, which no Bush ever did, and the father only did the first time (and if anyone gets started on the common excuse used, they can go to FR or RS).

Does anyone also remember the hay made of Whitewater in 1996, Hillary actually testified that year, and the Dick Morris event occurred too, yet Bill beat Bob Dole by 8.5 percentage points nationally, and he only missed double digits because he started campaigning for congressional guys towards the end when it became obvious he was gonna win. He coulda run up the score and hit the meaningless but vaunted 50% despite Perot's presence (people are always gonna protest vote if they think they can "get away with it" and mathematically, anyone would have trouble, O included, were non-conservative Perot included in his races) had he just skipped a few congressmen/senators and went to the large media markets. But he cared about governing a little too much.

[RobertEarl]

6. For some reason the press does not like her

Anybody know why?

Yeah, they hate Democrats in general, but why the special feelings for Hillary?

[PJMcK]

7. Two ideas

First, when Secretary Clinton has faced adversity-- usually bogus charges or claims-- she prevails. The press hates this because it highlights how little influence they have. In spite of their unrelenting attacks, she's succeeded as First Lady, won two terms in the US Senate and managed a successful tenure as Secretary of State.

Second, she's smarter than most of the media figures who go after her. They hate this, too.