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Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 06:10 AM Aug 2015

Anonymous Brings Down Pedophile Hub on the Darknet

It is well known among law enforcement and the tech community that pedophiles congegrate on the darknet, we know they are there but getting them is hard. Law enforcement task force Argo has made progress but now there is a new hunter in the deepweb.

Lolita City, a child pornography site run on over a concealed “darknet,” was taken down by Anonymous, and account details of 1,589 users from the site’s database were released earlier today as part of Anonymous’ Operation Darknet, an anti-child-pornography effort aimed at thwarting child pornographers operating on on the Tor network.

Anonymous’ attack was focused on a hosting service called Freedom Hosting, which the group claims was the largest host of child pornography on Tor’s anonymized network. “By taking down Freedom Hosting, we are eliminating 40+ child pornography websites,” Anonymous claimed in its statement. “Among these is Lolita City, one of the largest child pornography websites to date, containing more than 100GB of child pornography.”


Based on a secure networking technology originally developed by the US Navy, Tor routes traffic through a collection of volunteer servers scattered across the Internet, making monitoring of what is being viewed or where communications are coming from difficult. The Tor network also hosts a private “dark” top-level domain, .onion (which is not an official TLD), via its Hidden Service Protocol; these sites are visible only to Tor users or those using a Tor gateway such as tor2web.org.

Read more at AGnews: Anonymous Brings Down Pedophile Hub on the Darknet http://anongalactic.com/?p=3000



Most do not know this but the darknet is 5 times as big as
the internet you normally play with.

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Anonymous Brings Down Pedophile Hub on the Darknet (Original Post) Ichingcarpenter Aug 2015 OP
I'm pleased with Anonymous. Ilsa Aug 2015 #1
Kudos Anonymous snagglepuss Aug 2015 #2
Good msrizzo Aug 2015 #3
I've read about the darknet and always wondered about the stuff out there davidpdx Aug 2015 #4
The way it's painted, it's basically all criminal activity. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #7
I don't doubt most of it is illegal activity davidpdx Aug 2015 #8
Of course they will paint it as criminal activity Facility Inspector Aug 2015 #10
Well, then what else is on the darkweb? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #11
I started Facility Inspector Aug 2015 #23
This way of talking about the dark web is somewhat misleading... Chan790 Aug 2015 #31
Very informative post. Gidney N Cloyd Aug 2015 #43
Thanks for this. n/t vaberella Aug 2015 #50
Do you think people go to such lengths geek tragedy Aug 2015 #22
they will go to such lengths Facility Inspector Aug 2015 #24
And it was created specifically to give a chance . .. PosterChild Aug 2015 #48
More criminal than not, but not all criminal, and some is beneficial to society imo. Amimnoch Aug 2015 #41
Really...shoot. I've used Tor for years...but that was when I downloaded music. vaberella Aug 2015 #49
I remember when the plain old internet Facility Inspector Aug 2015 #9
The data is suspect...nt SidDithers Aug 2015 #32
This is the first I've heard of it, and I've been on the internet since day one Doctor_J Aug 2015 #33
Never heard of it either n/t malaise Aug 2015 #36
A) Good for Anonymous Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #5
The point is the portion of internet "we" use is a very small fraction of the whole. Ford_Prefect Aug 2015 #13
Of what, though? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #14
I explained this above. Chan790 Aug 2015 #38
So far, their choice of targets is admirable. Yep, kudos to them! n/t OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #6
Is this the same Anonymous Stevepol Aug 2015 #12
Most politicians are terribly naive about technology and assume hacking the vote is too difficult. Ford_Prefect Aug 2015 #16
Among the messed up parts is that HAVA didn't "require" electronic voting. Wilms Aug 2015 #19
Oh, great! I hope they release the actual names of the people! Helen Borg Aug 2015 #15
"Freedom Hosting", huh? tanyev Aug 2015 #17
Dumb question: what is a darknet? JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2015 #18
Where did you hear that the dark web is 5 times as big? Travis_0004 Aug 2015 #20
I've never even HEARD of this darknet. cwydro Aug 2015 #25
That makes a lot more sense to me. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #27
There are some book clubs and other stuff Travis_0004 Aug 2015 #35
Stuff that winds up on Cryptome. joshcryer Aug 2015 #42
The thing about the hack is, it will pose an interesting legal is should the government attempt ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #21
I'd suggest a parallel Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #26
Real life case, from my second year out in the BAR ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #37
I doubt we will see many prosecutions from this Travis_0004 Aug 2015 #28
Yeah, I'm sure if they got incriminating data they would've... joshcryer Aug 2015 #40
Yay! Mike Nelson Aug 2015 #29
I'm beginning to think I'd rather pay taxes to Anonymous than to the US government. merrily Aug 2015 #30
There are many articles about the Darknet. Are_grits_groceries Aug 2015 #34
Here's the paste bin: joshcryer Aug 2015 #39
"darknet is 5 times as big as the internet you normally play with." ToxMarz Aug 2015 #44
Awesome! MynameisBlarney Aug 2015 #45
So the article you posted has been removed, and that site looks smarmy TransitJohn Aug 2015 #46
Dude you did your research. I noted this too... vaberella Aug 2015 #52
Looks like lots of Libertarians will be getting a visit from the authorities. Ikonoklast Aug 2015 #47
Nice going Anonymous! smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #51
Just saw a new doc about the dark web zappaman Aug 2015 #53
Congrats Anonymous any chance the GB's of trash were deleted as well??? benld74 Aug 2015 #54
Great work Anonymous!! Thank You!!! n/t haikugal Aug 2015 #55

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
1. I'm pleased with Anonymous.
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 06:26 AM
Aug 2015

They've been able to get things done. Righteous dudes (or dudettes).

I read about the darknet in Discover magazine, IIRC. I knew it was 5+ times larger, with the really creepy stuff, like assassins for hire, illegal porn, etc. It's been featured on a few TV shows including House of Cards.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
4. I've read about the darknet and always wondered about the stuff out there
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 06:56 AM
Aug 2015

But then I read about things like this make and it makes me wonder if it would be worth the risk.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
7. The way it's painted, it's basically all criminal activity.
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 07:06 AM
Aug 2015

So I'm not sure what the attraction of using it would be.

Besides, as we learned thanks to Snowden and others, people who use TOR and similar services are automatically flagged and targeted by the NSA for higher levels of surveillance, so it doesn't even seem like that good of an idea even if you're just some paranoid trying to avoid the government.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
8. I don't doubt most of it is illegal activity
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 07:10 AM
Aug 2015

I also think someone who doesn't know what they are doing (like me) might be more likely to get hacked out on the dark net. I'd be more worried about that then the government.

If I was going to take a look, I surely wouldn't do it on my computer.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
11. Well, then what else is on the darkweb?
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 07:40 AM
Aug 2015

I haven't heard about anything but criminals and paranoids. What else is out there?

 

Facility Inspector

(615 posts)
23. I started
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 08:09 AM
Aug 2015

to work through the process to run tor from a USB or whatever the process is, but I lost interest.

I do know that anything police or government can't control is often painted as "criminal."

Comes with living in a soft police state.

It's always been this way.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
31. This way of talking about the dark web is somewhat misleading...
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 08:24 AM
Aug 2015

the term refers to any page on the internet that is "dark" (that is invisible or unaccessible to search engines for any reason).

Yes, it includes things like The Silk Road and kiddie-porn sites running on .onion domains which require a Tor browser to access. It's also includes any page without any links from any other accessible webpage. (Personally, I have a sandbox parked on a server that I use to test code...it doesn't link to any other page and it isn't linked from any other page so the only way to access it is to know its web-address...thus, it's technically part of the dark web. It would be about as interesting to you as watching paint dry unless you were really really interested in my JQuery homework from the online course I'm taking) It also includes anything behind a password or running encrypted or under a SSL: yours, mine and everybody's webmail accounts; your online banking; e-commerce sites. That specifically is why the dark web is so large...it's every single limited-access or controlled-access page on the web. The reason it's 5-times bigger is because it's basically everything Google Page-Rank (and Bing! and ... etc.) doesn't see...and that's a lot of stuff it has no reason to see and a little bit of stuff that Google has made page-rank intentionally not see.

It's the latter that gets all the attention but it's barely a shade in the corner of the dark-web. Most of the dark web is benign and uninteresting. Some of it is not benign in the wrong hands. (Such as your online banking.) Very little of it is malign.

 

Facility Inspector

(615 posts)
24. they will go to such lengths
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 08:10 AM
Aug 2015

to protect privacy.

What do they need privacy for? I'm sure plenty for criminal activity, but it's not all criminal activity.

This is technology the US government/military CREATED.

PosterChild

(1,307 posts)
48. And it was created specifically to give a chance . ..
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 07:54 PM
Aug 2015

.... to those who are living under oppressive regimes. Under many circumstances that we never have to deal with, privacy can be much more important even for matters that we would consider rather trivial.

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
41. More criminal than not, but not all criminal, and some is beneficial to society imo.
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 08:52 AM
Aug 2015

From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Web

I can completely understand a number of other countries, groups, and businesses not wanting US, Chinese, Russian, or other European governments knowing thier business.. legal or not.

Category/Percentage
Gambling/0.4
Guns/1.4
Chat/2.2
New (Not yet indexed)/2.2
Abuse/2.2
Books2.5
Directory/2.5
Blog/2.75
Porn/2.75
Hosting/3.5
Hacking/4.25
Search/4.25
Anonymity/4.5
Forum/4.75
Counterfeit/5.2
Whistleblower/5.2
Wiki/5.2
Mail/5.7
Bitcoin/6.2
Fraud/9
Market/9
Drugs/15.4

vaberella

(24,634 posts)
49. Really...shoot. I've used Tor for years...but that was when I downloaded music.
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 08:18 PM
Aug 2015

I don't do that any more...no need it on youtube.

 

Facility Inspector

(615 posts)
9. I remember when the plain old internet
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 07:36 AM
Aug 2015

seemed like a "darknet" way back in the mid 90s.

There was lots of weird shit on the internets back then.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
33. This is the first I've heard of it, and I've been on the internet since day one
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 08:31 AM
Aug 2015

I don't know what to think of it.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
5. A) Good for Anonymous
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 07:03 AM
Aug 2015

B) I wonder how many politicians are in that nearly 1600 users
and

C) I always wonder at that stat that the darknet is 5 times bigger. After all, it's taking the world's combined businesses, social media, personal, organization, education, and governmental sites to make up the non-darkweb. How the heck can there be so much 'hidden' stuff? You'd think it would be the other way around, and if every criminal out there was surfing the darkweb all day, they'd still only be something like 5% as big as the rest of the web.

Ford_Prefect

(7,901 posts)
13. The point is the portion of internet "we" use is a very small fraction of the whole.
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 07:43 AM
Aug 2015

Darknet, allegedly 5 times larger in comparison, is also only a fraction of the whole.

The part "we" use daily for email, information and entertainment is a superficial layer of an enormously deep and complex system. Think of it as the skin on an apple.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
14. Of what, though?
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 07:48 AM
Aug 2015

The internet is information. We pass it around, we view or read or listen to it. How on earth is there 5 times as much that only a small number of people have and are using? I don't even see how it's logistically possible, unless 90% of the darkweb is essentially coated in cobwebs, viewed once or twice then forgotten, but kept on file 'just in case'.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
38. I explained this above.
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 08:48 AM
Aug 2015

the term dark-net doesn't mean "hard to see"...it means "intentionally invisible to search-engines".

Go. Log-on to your online banking. Google will never see that page because it's encrypted and behind a password and even if it could see it, Google has hard-coded its page-rank to not index it as they don't want people searching for the account-transfer page of Erich Bloodaxe's checking account. It's part of the dark web. So is your webmail, my webmail, the pages and scripts that handle e-commerce for online retailers and probably 1000 other pages you see each and every week.

A very small portion of the deep-web (the pages that make the topical surface-web pages run) are dark-web. A very small portion of the dark web is actually malign. Those tend to be on .onion domains only accessible from Tor browsers or require very sophisticated back-doors to enter.

You're almost certainly simultaneously on the surface web, deep web, and dark web right now.

Stevepol

(4,234 posts)
12. Is this the same Anonymous
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 07:41 AM
Aug 2015

that thwarted Rove's effort to steal the election in OH in 2008 (or was it 2012?)?

If so, I'm glad to see that they're still alive and kicking.

At present with the vote in our elections being counted by unverifiable (either legally or practically speaking) electronic voting machines, it's good to know that there is at least one group that is dedicated to stopping the theft and rigging.

Maybe this is the only practical way of achieving something like fair vote counting. The politicians are completely indifferent to whether the vote is counted fairly or not, that is, those politicians that are not outright opposed to any verification at all.

Ford_Prefect

(7,901 posts)
16. Most politicians are terribly naive about technology and assume hacking the vote is too difficult.
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 07:52 AM
Aug 2015

Unfortunately the opposite is true. It is far too easy to do it. Much of the electronic system was designed to be that way by the vendors. Some have suggested the federal laws passed requiring electronic voting systems and devices were a case of political engineering to create such a system. I tend to agree given who drove that law into existence and the degree of independent oversight absent from the law, voting machine design, implementation and operation.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
19. Among the messed up parts is that HAVA didn't "require" electronic voting.
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 08:00 AM
Aug 2015

It merely offered a bunch of money to states for that purpose. It did require "accessible" voting. For some reason, that point was lost.

Helen Borg

(3,963 posts)
15. Oh, great! I hope they release the actual names of the people!
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 07:48 AM
Aug 2015

And that law enforcement will get them. Being on that site is illegal to begin with.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,343 posts)
18. Dumb question: what is a darknet?
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 07:58 AM
Aug 2015

I'm starting to think that the word "internets" may be correct, and may be creepy, or may be a good thing.

Darknet sounds like something Batman would use. Or the Joker.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
20. Where did you hear that the dark web is 5 times as big?
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 08:01 AM
Aug 2015

I don't buy that for a second. I would be suprised if its 1% as big as the surface web.

Just so we don't confuse terms, there is the Deep Web (can not be indexed by standard search engines), and the dark web (requires tor or other means to reach)

The Deep web is 400 times larger than the regular internet. 99% of this stuff is legit. Your email account (since without a login google can not index it). Anything beyond the login screen at Netflix. I log into my company and access the server of the interenet when i work from home. People use the deep web every single day, and don't know it.

The Dark Web, 99% of people on this site have probably never used. An address would end in .onion
Believe it or not, even on the dark web, a lot of the stuff is legal, but a very high percent is not. I would be amazed if it was even close to 1% the size of the surface web.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
27. That makes a lot more sense to me.
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 08:16 AM
Aug 2015

Sounds like a lot of folks are just conflating the two.

Any idea what sort of legal stuff winds up on the dark web?

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
35. There are some book clubs and other stuff
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 08:35 AM
Aug 2015

There is a large book club, what of the more popular books is 1984 by george Orwell. Technically this book is still under copyright, although you can read any of his books at George-Orwell.org. Some of the books on there are brand new, and breaking some copyright laws, some are well out of copyright.

Also, the US is a very free country, I get on DU and criticize Obama with no fear. In a lot of countries that is not true, and the deep web can be used to host forums where freedom of political speech is allowed. Perhaps not legal in their country, but its nothing we would find to be extreme.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
21. The thing about the hack is, it will pose an interesting legal is should the government attempt ...
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 08:02 AM
Aug 2015

to use the dumped user datat to prosecute any of the 1,589 users. The information was gathered unlawfully (theft) by a non-governmental agency (not covered by the 4th and 5th amendments).

What's a prosecutor to do?

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
26. I'd suggest a parallel
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 08:14 AM
Aug 2015

would be finding a body in the trunk of a stolen car.

The police only found the body because someone stole the car, but they'll still probably be able to use that body as evidence in going after someone for murder.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
37. Real life case, from my second year out in the BAR ...
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 08:41 AM
Aug 2015

A drug dealers home was broken into by a rival dealer. The rival took documents indicating his nemasises stash house locations (who keeps that stuff written down?) ... I suspect he planned to hit the houses later. The rival was picked up for another, unrelated, crime. The rival offered up the documents to encourage a plea deal.

In the end, we did not/could not use the documents to secure search warrants; but, we did use them to set up surveilance.

The problem here is, unlike setting up on a street to watch activity, warrants are required to surveil computer usage. How do you get a judge to sign a warrant when the basis for the warrant is stolen documents ... other than, of course, by lying to the judge.

(Note: This was pre-patriot act days, so I am unsure about the state of the law.)

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
28. I doubt we will see many prosecutions from this
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 08:19 AM
Aug 2015

But on the plus side, hopefully a few people will be too scared to attempt to go back, maybe the site will be down for at least a little while, and hopefully some of the images were deleted from the server, to be lost forever.

I'm sure the site will return. What the FBI needs to do is find out who hacked it, and hire them as consultants (I know the hackers probably wouldn't be lining up to admit it to the FBI. I doubt the US government is that good at finding this data. They did manage to arrest the person who founded silk road (the amazon of drugs), but it was due to bad coding on the website, which revealed the location of the servers in Iceland, and only with physical access to the server they found the IP address to a coffee shop in San Fransisco. I say hire Anonymous, and do it legally, and make a few arrest.

joshcryer

(62,271 posts)
40. Yeah, I'm sure if they got incriminating data they would've...
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 08:52 AM
Aug 2015

...contacted the authorities. They could use it then for the investigation.

Mike Nelson

(9,956 posts)
29. Yay!
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 08:20 AM
Aug 2015

...the kids used need to be identified and their homes investigated, though. What a tragedy for the young children...

merrily

(45,251 posts)
30. I'm beginning to think I'd rather pay taxes to Anonymous than to the US government.
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 08:21 AM
Aug 2015

They seem a hell of a lot more effective and, AFAIK, a hell of a lot more cost-effective.

Would that make me an anarchist, a Libertarian or just a cheap realist?

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
34. There are many articles about the Darknet.
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 08:32 AM
Aug 2015

It is used for privacy but child porn is a major player there along with other illegal activities.
I have no desire to enter that realm. There is enough evil on this side.

If I had the skills to hack, I might try to take down some child porn sites. As it is, no.

joshcryer

(62,271 posts)
39. Here's the paste bin:
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 08:49 AM
Aug 2015
http://pastebin.com/88Lzs1XR

Doesn't look like they got anything incriminating, just usernames.

Should shut the service down indefinitely though. No one will go back there since they got hacked.

ToxMarz

(2,168 posts)
44. "darknet is 5 times as big as the internet you normally play with."
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 09:06 AM
Aug 2015
https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/HowBigIsTheDarkWeb

That is not correct and alarmist.

...
This, however, appears to be misleading; and may impact on and cause ​FUD for those not generally exposed to Tor and other elements of the dark web.
One of the elements which may cause confusion is the definition of "dark web" vs the definition of "deep web". Unfortunately, some sites (such as ​Wikipedia) don't distinguish between the deep and dark webs.

Definitions

Web: the portion of the Internet which is accessible via a web browser; the World Wide Web.

Deep web: information which is not registered with any search engine (definition as per the August 2001 paper ​The Deep Web: Surfacing Hidden Value from the Journal of Electronic Publishing). This includes information which is housed in databases and which is only viewable through dynamic pages generated when the content is requested, and information which resides behind authentication such as on private organizational networks and public networks such as Facebook.

Dark web: that portion of the web which cannot be easily reached from the public Internet, and usually requires specialized software to access. Examples of the dark web are the Tor network and hidden services, the I2P network and its eepsites, and the RetroShare network.
...



Size

Size depends on exactly how we categorize things. For the purposes of this article we're talking about the web, i.e. the portions of the Internet which are accessible from a web browser; not the entire Internet itself. So from here, bearing in mind that we're discussing the dark web and the deep web:

The deep web is claimed to be approximately 500 times larger than the public Internet, based on figures in the Surfacing Hidden Value report above and on others (e.g. ​About.com), although these others often only reference the paper above.

The dark web, however, is considered to be much smaller. There are likely to be 1-2000 Tor hidden services [ ​freehaven.net, ​donncha.is ], although this is very hard to establish as hidden services are, by design, hidden! There are currently approximately ​3,000,000 Tor users; this provides an upper bound on the number of hidden services, and it is likely that few of these user actually run hidden services.
...



Conclusion

The dark web is not really all that large. Important, but not "vast reaches of the Internet", and certainly not as large as the deep web...

TransitJohn

(6,932 posts)
46. So the article you posted has been removed, and that site looks smarmy
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 09:24 AM
Aug 2015

Check this out
https://anongalactic.com/15-year-old-destroys-third-wave-feminism-in-2-paragraphs/

Edit: the site also carries anti-Black Lives Matter material. And the story in the OP is 4 years old.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
47. Looks like lots of Libertarians will be getting a visit from the authorities.
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 09:28 AM
Aug 2015

The love the "freedom" to view child pornography and consider it their right to do so.

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