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Adenoid_Hynkel

(14,093 posts)
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 12:44 AM Sep 2015

It is absolutely wrong for modern leaders to change mountain names in place for decades

So rename Mount Reagan back to its traditional Mount Clay, Grover Norquist be damned.



When admirers of Ronald Reagan went casting about in New Hampshire for a monument to the former president, they seized upon a peak in the White Mountains.

Mount Clay, they said, begged for a new name.

Situated in the Presidential Range, where neighboring summits are named for presidents including Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Pierce, and Monroe, Clay seemed an outlier. It was named after a mere senator — a titanic figure of the 19th century, to be sure, but no president. Reagan was the better fit among the presidential company. Local towns supported the change and in 2003, the Legislature approved it.


http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2010/05/22/on_the_trail_to_mount_reagan_forgetting_the_feats_of_clay/

http://www.reaganfoundation.org/programs/lc/named_in_honor.asp

And, yes, I realize Denali is actually the traditional name long in place before Mckinley and what Alaskans always called the peak, even in the "Mount McKinley" years, but...um...uh...OMG! OBAMA IS A MUZZLIM!!1!!.

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It is absolutely wrong for modern leaders to change mountain names in place for decades (Original Post) Adenoid_Hynkel Sep 2015 OP
No, it is not wrong! CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2015 #1
You do realize I'm being facetious, don't you? Adenoid_Hynkel Sep 2015 #3
Oh yes, I do realize it! CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2015 #4
I just got back from northern Alaska, Blue_In_AK Sep 2015 #10
Actually I prefer my President to make decisions that change American lives for the better... cherokeeprogressive Sep 2015 #2
Yeah, because calling attention to the plight of native peoples and how they are suffering MADem Sep 2015 #6
With a swipe of his pen, the President ended global warming. cherokeeprogressive Sep 2015 #12
Since he can't do it all, he should do nothing. Signed Cherokee Progressive(???) MADem Sep 2015 #14
What specifically leads you to make that allegation? LanternWaste Sep 2015 #16
The poster is unclear on his facts, it would seem. MADem Sep 2015 #19
I'm creeped out naming anything after politicians n/t arcane1 Sep 2015 #5
Food for thought bvf Sep 2015 #7
This one would have been another good exception... Wilms Sep 2015 #11
+1000. nt clarice Sep 2015 #21
I think we should name all those pit mines after Presidents. tecelote Sep 2015 #8
I was just thinking a similar thing, not an hour ago. The Dick Cheney Memorial Battlefield silvershadow Sep 2015 #9
The GWB "memorial" passage has a name. Chan790 Sep 2015 #13
Of course. It was late when I posted. No disrespect intended. nt silvershadow Sep 2015 #18
I'd prefer the Reagan/Bush Tar Pits NightWatcher Sep 2015 #15
denali skippercollector Sep 2015 #17
Some whackjob out here in the Bay Area wants to rename Mount Diablo to Mount Reagan KamaAina Sep 2015 #20
Is that the same guy who always suggests new names because teh Debbil? Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #22
I believe so. KamaAina Sep 2015 #23
 

Adenoid_Hynkel

(14,093 posts)
3. You do realize I'm being facetious, don't you?
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 12:51 AM
Sep 2015

Just pointing out another example of GOP hackneyed double standards and canned poutrage

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
10. I just got back from northern Alaska,
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 04:03 AM
Sep 2015

the area between Gates of the Arctic NP and the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, to hear this wonderful news about Denali, the Great One. I hear Boehner is really upset about it, as if President McKinley from Ohio had anything at all to do with Alaska. What a putz.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
2. Actually I prefer my President to make decisions that change American lives for the better...
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 12:50 AM
Sep 2015

rather than simply render all those globes and maps obsolete.

That's just me though.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
6. Yeah, because calling attention to the plight of native peoples and how they are suffering
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 01:11 AM
Sep 2015

under the impact of climate change is just such a waste of time. According to you, all POTUS was on about was changing "globes and maps."

Good grief.

That's not just me, though--that's the White House:


Anchorage, Alaska (CNN)To hear the White House describe Alaska, the state has become the canary in the climate change coal mine, complete with raging wildfires, accelerating ice melt in the arctic, vanishing glaciers and whole villages forced to relocate away from rising seas.

President Barack Obama will carry that urgent message to Alaska this week in the hopes his long journey away from his busy agenda in Washington will begin to change the national conversation on global warming.

His first step while he's there: officially renaming the country's tallest mountain from Mt. McKinley to Denali, an historic nod to the region's native population, which the White House says is under threat from the already-present threat of climate change.

"This is all real. This is happening to our fellow Americans right now," Obama said in his weekly address Saturday.



http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/30/politics/obama-alaska-denali-climate-change/
 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
12. With a swipe of his pen, the President ended global warming.
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 08:08 AM
Sep 2015

The People already called it what they wanted to call it. Please tell me what this did to change the future in any material way.

Thanks in advance.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
14. Since he can't do it all, he should do nothing. Signed Cherokee Progressive(???)
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 11:07 AM
Sep 2015

Your "My Way or the Highway" approach to things isn't shared by most.

Sorry, "the people" were calling it McKinley until the POTUS corrected the error.

And playing the "Duhhh, I don't understand symbolic actions" card isn't a clever move at all--not sure why you're so pleased with yourself, affecting that attitude, but knock yourself out, now.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
16. What specifically leads you to make that allegation?
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 11:11 AM
Sep 2015

"The People already called it what they wanted to call it."

What specifically leads you to make that allegation?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
19. The poster is unclear on his facts, it would seem.
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 12:29 PM
Sep 2015

The proposal actually originated with the native people of Alaska and was expressed through the two (REPUBLICAN) senators from that state. The White House didn't object to the change, but they did not initiate it, either...but hey--it's OBAMA'S fault, no matter what!! That's the "Go-To" gripe here, these days!!



http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/244583-obama-administration-does-not-object-to-potential-mount-mckinley

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
7. Food for thought
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 01:57 AM
Sep 2015

but I'd draw the line at things that the person had absolutely nothing to do with.

Now, if McKinley had actually had a hand in putting that enormous peak there...

Only one exception comes to mind:

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
8. I think we should name all those pit mines after Presidents.
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 02:23 AM
Sep 2015

Each fracking disaster and oil spill should be named after politicians.

Let's give credit where credit is due.

No President or politician ever created a mountain. But disasters are their forte.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
9. I was just thinking a similar thing, not an hour ago. The Dick Cheney Memorial Battlefield
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 03:18 AM
Sep 2015

in Iraq, The George W. Bush Memorial Passage in Afghanistan, and the Ronald Reagan Memorial Bread Lines from coast to coast.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
13. The GWB "memorial" passage has a name.
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 08:45 AM
Sep 2015

It's been the Khyber Pass gong back past recorded history in the region and is historically important long before even the birth of the prophet, let alone the Taliban, Al Qaeda or George W. Bush.

Now...if you wanted to rename the individual caves after Bush-era war criminals, most of those caves don't have names and there are about 10,000...so there are plenty to go around.

skippercollector

(206 posts)
17. denali
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 11:18 AM
Sep 2015

Was there this much discussion and discord among politicians and the general public when the entire park was renamed Denali in 1975? If there was, I'm afraid I don't remember it.
If not, why is renaming the mountain such a problem now?

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
20. Some whackjob out here in the Bay Area wants to rename Mount Diablo to Mount Reagan
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 01:27 PM
Sep 2015

killing two birds with one stone, I guess.

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