Kim Davis finds that her church wants her to stay in jail

[lunatica]

She thought she was going to benefit economically as the martyr of her dreams but she probably didn't think that her church and her religious peers and all Fundamentalist politicians would now demand that she stay in jail for 'as long as it takes'.

Meantime gay couples are now getting a marriage license anyway. Is that not a totally delicious outcome for all?

And soon the media will get tired of her and move on while she languishes in jail as the martyr to her religion, not having changed a thing.

[mnhtnbb]

1. She's finding out just how "Christian" her fellow church is

but then again, she did the same thing to her deputies.

She's the elected official and now she's refused to sign the marriage licenses (because she doesn't want to go to
hell) but she's ok with going to jail so her deputies can sign the marriage licenses and let them go to hell.

The right thing to do--if this really was about her religious beliefs--was to resign and let someone do the job
who had no problem with following the law. But that's NOT what this is about. She's up to something else.

[Hayduke Bomgarte]

2. Is that not a totally delicious outcome for all?

It is, for sure.

Icing on the cake, for me, is the bigotry fueled self imposed misery these wack jobs are all "suffering".

[lunatica]

5. The delicious part is that she can't just stop "suffering"

because now their church leaders demand she be the true martyr. While said church leaders get to enjoy their freedom.

[HassleCat]

3. They're in a corner

They can't very well pay her fines, because that would be tantamount t admitting the fines were justified. When you live in a world of moral absolutes, everything is either of Jesus, or of the devil. The judge and his rulings and his contempt citations are of the devil, obviously. Also, I believe Davis has to agree to perform her job before the judge will let her out, and that would be a big, big problem for Jesus. Or at least for those who claim to speak for Jesus.

[lunatica]

8. And they don't want her to resign either

because she's serving their cause. They only care about their political cause. Even Jesus said, "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's".

That could be her get out of jail card, but then, she would have to go against all her church leaders and politicians like Huckabee and Santorum which could turn her into a Fundamentalist pariah.

[Aerows]

16. I think she may end up sitting in lockup

until January before the KY Congress reconvenes to impeach her.

It would serve her right.

[PatrickforO]

4. Tough going when you find out the people you thought were in your corner...aren't.

Even tougher going when you thought you were doing the Christian thing, and then you find out the Christians you thought were in your corner...aren't. Because they aren't really Christians, or they wouldn't be basing their positions on hatred and fear, but rather on love, mercy, tolerance and acceptance.

[Raster]

54. I think one of the behind-the-scenes ringleaders of this religious fiasco is Mat Staver.

I believe he is not only Kim Davis' attorney, but one of the Christian zealots that's advised Davis to ignore court directives and break the law, although pinning anything on him might be difficult. Staver is skilled at obscuring his footprints in illegal or unpalatable situations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathew_Staver

GLAAD has been keeping track of Staver and his overtly homophobic, bigoted agenda:

-- “We are facing the survival of western values, western civilization...One of the most significant threats to our freedom is in the area of sexual anarchy with the agenda of the homosexual movement, the so-called LGBT movement. It does several things, first of all it undermines family and the very first building block of our society, but secondly, it’s a zero sum game as well and it’s a direct assault on our religious freedom and freedom of speech.”

-- Says President Obama has a "sexual anarchist agenda"

-- Says the LGBT movement constitutes "the abolition of civil rights": "The transsexuals, some of the other bizarre things we're starting to see like this, [lesbians and gays] wanted to push off later. Don't put them in the cameras or the media because the public will have a reaction to it. Now they're beginning to parade them out, and it becoming part of their overall abolition of gender notion that if you abolish -- if you ultimately have this accepted by society...that a man can be identified as a woman and a woman can be identified as a man and you out to have civil rights that follow your subjective, inner thoughts. Then they ultimately create sexual anarchy; they create an abolition of morality, and they ultimately achieve their goal -- which is to literally to explode marriage, and to literally abolish any moral absolute objective truth. If this is civil rights, this is the abolition of civil rights."

Here is some of what Right Wing Watch has to say about Liberty Counsel and it's founder, Mat Staver:

Meet The Hate Group Trying To Turn Kim Davis Into The Anti-Gay Rosa Parks
SUBMITTED BY Brian Tashman on Thursday, 9/3/2015 1:30 pm

While Kentucky clerk Kim Davis insists that her decision to break the law by ordering her office to deny marriage licenses to same-sex couples “has never been a gay or lesbian issue,” the right-wing legal group defending Davis, Liberty Counsel, has made no secret of their contempt for gays and lesbians. Liberty Counsel, which is closely tied to Liberty University, the school founded by Jerry Falwell, has urged Davis to flout the law and defy the courts.(emphasis mine)

The way Liberty Counsel sees it, the Supreme Court’s landmark Obergefell decision is illegitimate and can be ignored. In a lawsuit that Liberty Counsel filed for Davis against the governor of Kentucky, the group claims that Davis cannot act “in contradiction to the moral law of God, natural law, or her sincerely held religious beliefs and convictions” or it would be a violation of her oath.

- See more at: http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/meet-hate-group-trying-turn-kim-davis-anti-gay-rosa-parks#sthash.kKrn7VQ4.dpuf

[hollysmom]

6. it will be even better when they stop paying her from not showing up for work.

[lunatica]

11. Good point!

Will her church leaders pay her bail?

[hollysmom]

15. she has no bail she has been convicted.

I know Huckabee keeps talking about how she needs bail, but that is not an option once you are tried an convicted. He is an ass

[lunatica]

17. She hasn't been tried has she?

[hollysmom]

18. she went before the judge, this was not a jury thing.

the judge asked her to do her job, she refused, he asked if she could step aside and let someone else give out certificates, she refused, he asked if there was any compromise, she said letting people drive to another county. that was not a compromise, he found her for contempt and that is why she is in fail.

[nadinbrzezinski]

57. She was not convicted, she was found in contempt of court

quite a different thing. There is no bail, all she has to do is obey court orders or resign, But there is absolutely no conviction here.

[hollysmom]

58. ok, found guilty.

[nadinbrzezinski]

59. Again, there is no guilt associated with contempt of court.

You could be found in contempt for something quite silly if you go to court for any reason and sent to jail as well. It is at the discretion of the judge.

[hollysmom]

60. how about saying she was found contemptible?

[nadinbrzezinski]

71. Not a legal term, but whatever

[Ms. Toad]

29. You are correct that there is no bail. But she has not been tried and convicted.

She was found in contempt of court - which means she refused to follow the court's orders. She can walk out of jail anytime she feels like it merely by following the court's orders.

[justhanginon]

7. Hey Kim! Look out your jailhouse window. The protest is over

and they are all going for pizza, do a little shopping and then go on home to their nice comfy beds. Oh, and the nice gay couples are out making plans for their upcoming nuptials.
Enjoy your stay Ms. Martyr.

[smirkymonkey]

10. LOL! +100

[laundry_queen]

27. HAHAHA, perfect! Exactly! nt

[Proud Liberal Dem]

41. Don't forget about their fabulous honeymoons!

They'll be having considerably more fun than her rotting in a jail cell.

[Avalux]

9. Will her church insist on a hunger strike?

I'm thinking that's the next step since this thing is losing steam.

[lunatica]

13. I can imagine the lightbulb going on over their heads already!

LOL!

[MineralMan]

12. Betrayed by the very right wing Christians she things

have her back. They don't care. The show's over and everyone went home. She'll rot in that cell until she figures out that she's on her own and gives up. Nobody cares. They're moving on to the next futile battle.

[lunatica]

14. She was so sure she had it all figured out

Now only her current husband will enjoy all those donations.

[hollysmom]

19. what donations, someone said they had raised $140. that is not even a days salary.

[lunatica]

22. I guarantee the true believers are donating

And it's a whole new revenue generator for preachers now. "Help us help our sister!"

[csziggy]

45. I bet few of those donations will go to Kim Davis

Most will go to Liberty Counsel for the legal expenses they are making sure will mount up to millions. A good amount will go to whichever groups do the fund raising.

Ms. Davis is going to learn first hand the full effect of "trickle down" economics.

[workinclasszero]

64. Yeah and I bet

most of those donations go right into the preachers pocket and stay there.

SOP for most of these randian republican churches.

[Cal Carpenter]

20. As long as what takes?

That's what I don't understand about all this (well, one of the things I don't understand, anyway). Do they think the SCOTUS will see this poor suffering martyr and change their minds? Or that somehow the line separating church and state will vanish so a religious bigot could keep her job despite refusing to perform its duties?

It's probably not worth the effort to try to understand anyway, as it is based on irrational nonsense. (and to be clear, I am not putting all religion in the 'irrational nonsense' category)

[lunatica]

23. You're trying to make sense of Fundamentalist thinking

They truly believe they can make this country a Christian one just like some countries are based on Sharia laws. All from the Old Testament.

[Wounded Bear]

21. Hey, Kim! Take one for the team!

Typical RW reaction. Kind of like when you're pinned down in combat and Sarge yells at you, "Hey Smith! Run out there and draw their fire. We'll take cover in the trees."

[Tipperary]

24. There is another thread here that

says there is an ongoing fund raiser for her through some church. I will not link to it because it should never have been posted here imo. This bigot will make money. I wish it were not true but she will.

[lunatica]

25. Her making money is unimportant compared to gays getting married

It doesn't matter whether she becomes rich. This is a gay and their supporters' victory and that's what's important.

For all we know her church will demand she give it to them for 'the cause'. Whatever that is. Or she'll squander it like Zimmerman does.

[Tipperary]

46. I do agree with you. I suppose it just bothers

me that anyone gets money from this bigotry.

[hollysmom]

53. take comfort taht she will not only have to live with poverty in her future

but her family will hold her responsible for breaking their chain of nepotism in cushy job money. Ionly wonder if they will stay with the same church that is encouraging her.
I think her mistake is to get involved with presidential candidates whjo do not give a fig about what happens to her afterwards. - Huckabee I am talking about you and your penchant for forgiving pedophiles and serial divorcees, but think Gays are destroying marriage.

[Tipperary]

70. I hope that you are right.

She is a misguided and ignorant woman for sure. I have known people like her unfortunately.

[Fred Sanders]

26. A "martyr"? With three squares a day, plus snacks, cable TV to watch herself troll the media, salary direct deposited, a juicy pension, and the prospect of more fame and

fortune than her stereotypical tea party person and her incredibly stereotypical husband and entire Fundie tax free Church(?) congregation of Fox brainwashed sheeple could ever dream?

Some martyr!

[lunatica]

28. You nailed it

That's what she's after.

[Fred Sanders]

30. And her lawyer....who should be in jail for malpractice, failure to understand the rule of law.

[lunatica]

33. He's probably a Fundamentalist too

[mnhtnbb]

39. Her attorney is the former Dean of the Law School at Liberty University--Jerry Falwell's

place in Lynchburg, VA. Yes, he's a serious fundy and a serious a$$hole.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathew_Staver

[Fred Sanders]

43. Another reason for Sanders to cancel his speech in Mordor.

[mnhtnbb]

49. I can't imagine why Sanders booked it in the first place.

[phylny]

56. I'm really glad he accepted the invitation.

I work in Lynchburg, and many of the students have NO CLUE about the real world. They only know what they've been taught by their parents, their church, and now by Liberty. For many of these students, hearing Bernie speak may be the first time they've actually heard progressive ideas without a filter.

I'm going to try to go.

[mnhtnbb]

62. It will be interesting too see the reaction. Hope you get to go!

Come back and tell us about it!

[lunatica]

67. Please let us know how it goes

Bernie actually talks sense. They'll actually hear it for the first time. I give students a lot of credit for searching for truth. It's what they do at that age.

[avebury]

34. She might find the county putting a halt to her salary and benefits.

How on earth can she expect to continue to be paid when she has chosen to violate a court order and is now on an unapproved absence? While they may not be able to fire her, I would think that there would nothing to prevent them cutting off her paycheck. After all, a paycheck must be earned.

[mucifer]

61. Have you been to jail?

She might have some support from other fundamentalist women there. But, it's not some wonderful place where you get to eat lots of food and watch tv all day. I volunteer sending books to women in prison. It's pretty ugly in there.

[Fred Sanders]

65. Some folks need to lighten up and recognize satire and literary license for what it is and not just

choose to be outraged by default.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

31. 14 years is the record for contempt of court incarceration

If she's expecting to get out of jail soon she might be interested in this story.

[lunatica]

32. Maybe she'll happily spend years in jail for God.

But sometime during that time she'll probably lose her job. Maybe her term will be up and someone else can run for the position.

[Yo_Mama]

50. I suspect that she cannot be legally incarcerated after her term of office ends.

There are rules involving contempt of court. After her term ends, she could not be in contempt of court, because she would have no ability to issue marriage licenses to any one.

[Coventina]

35. Of course they do. The lunatic fringe of the Christian right needs a martyr to prove they are being

persecuted.

I don't like how this is going at all.

[onethatcares]

36. if I was sitting in jail

there ain't no way in hell my employer would pay my salary. How is she getting around that part of her job?

[mnhtnbb]

38. Maybe she has unused vacation time!

[onethatcares]

42. what a place to take a vacation

but hey, I guess she never wanted to go to Sandals anyway. Right?

[mnhtnbb]

48. hehe

[csziggy]

37. She's going to spend her fiftieth birthday in jail unless she changes her mind

According to the Wikipedia article on her, she was born Sept. 18, 1965. I'm betting that she spends her fiftieth birthday in jail.

[hifiguy]

40. It's a win-win.

Bigot in jail, fundies acting as dippy as usual, happy couples getting their marriage licenses.

[dembotoz]

44. Martyrs r great when u find someone else 2 do it

The bad part of being cheered 4 your suffering is that someone has 2 do the suffering

[monmouth4]

47. Kim of Arc......Has a nice ring to it....n/t

[Rex]

51. Jesus would have wanted it this way too. He told me so yup yup.

[RKP5637]

52. She will be forgotten, MSM will lose interest in her, she is out of the way, and likely

many in Rowan Country would like her gone from office and out of the way. In the big picture, she is pathetic.

[underpants]

55. She's been played and used by her church and the Liberty Council

Free PR for the church (growing the ministry) and billable hours by the Liberty Council (yes the lead went to Falwell's Liberty U law).

[struggle4progress]

63. She'll have to work at it to stay in jail

As long as marriage licenses are being issued, the judge will be disinclined to jail her

She'll be leaving her cell soon, under court order not to interfere with the issuance of licenses by deputy clerks

If she wants to go back to jail for contempt, she can then go back to the office and try to prevent her deputy clerks from issuing licenses

About a week and a half ago, the Rowan county attorney asked the state DA for an official misconduct prosecution

Some criminal convictions in KY do disqualify a person from holding elected office; I don't know whether class A or class B official misconduct misdemeanor convictions have this effect

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

66. "delicious" if the newly-issued marriage licenses remain valid. ...

... She's claiming the licenses are invalid because she did not approve, in her capacity as county clerk. So, more court tests to come.

The church should be ecstatic. They have a symbol, a martyr to hold up as a shining light. And, they don't have to listen to her at the pancake breakfast in the church basement. Win-Win!

[lunatica]

68. How can the marriage licenses be invalid?

The Constitution has been upheld again. Who is going to say differently? Even Kim Davis didn't question the Constitution. Her objection was only on her warped idea of religious freedom. It's obvious she has no sense or comprehension of the separation of religion and the state.

[lunatica]

69. Her fame has come and gone in a matter of days

But church leaders and Huckabee will make sure she stays in jail for awhile. When they realize it isn't working for them, they'll leave her behind in a second.

[Agschmid]

72. Kick.