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RandySF

(58,786 posts)
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 05:56 PM Sep 2015

Salon: Can you become addicted to your vibrator?

She likens her reliance on the toy to her alcohol addiction; both, she writes, made her life unmanageable. I’m not going to argue that someone continue doing something that makes them feel bad about themselves, but there are disturbing implications in Michaels’ piece.

According to Carlyle Jansen, author of masturbation how-to book Sex Yourself and founder/sex coach at Toronto sex toy store Good For Her, the first thing we need to look at is the definition of addiction. She cited Wikipedia’s: “a state characterized by compulsive engagement in rewarding stimuli, despite adverse consequences.” Compulsive might mean a woman’s repeatedly late to work cause she’s too busy vibing it up, or wants to stay home rather than go out with friends, á la the rabbit vibe episode of Sex and the City, where Charlotte defends herself, saying, “it’s a vibrator; it’s not like it’s crack.”

Jansen says it’s natural to get used to using a toy, like Michaels did, because “nothing simply human can compare to the RPM of most vibrators.” That doesn’t mean she’s “addicted.” Another possible explanation? “It might be that she’d get frustrated when her fingers didn’t get the same response,” explained Jansen. “When we get frustrated or anxious, our bodies shift into ‘fight or flight’ response and the blood flows out and away from the erectile tissue. Without the blood in the area, it becomes harder to orgasm, which leads to more frustration.” Then again, a woman may simply be wired to like that type of stimulation. “Some of us need glasses to see, others need calculators in order to do math. Some of us need a vibrator to orgasm,” said Jansen.

One of the biggest problems with Michaels’ framing is that vibrators are presumed to be “lesser than,” and therefore, somehow shameful to use on a long-term basis. She pits vibrator use against partnered sex, approvingly quoting Dr. Gilda Carle, who told her, “Use of a vibrator is momentarily satisfying. But it doesn’t answer the need for a partner to hold you, converse with you, commiserate with you, and love you.” Of course a vibrator isn’t going to provide the same sort of emotional support as a human being, but that doesn’t mean the two are at odds—or that they can’t be combined. By judging herself harshly, Michaels inhibits herself from fully enjoying her toy.


http://www.salon.com/2015/09/05/on_becoming_addicted_to_your_vibrator_partner/

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Salon: Can you become addicted to your vibrator? (Original Post) RandySF Sep 2015 OP
No you dildon't. NuclearDem Sep 2015 #1
yowch Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #11
I think it is kind of sad if someone needs a toy to get off. I am not judging in any way because Tipperary Sep 2015 #2
By saying it's sad, you are judging Blue_Adept Sep 2015 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author cwydro Sep 2015 #31
See post 40. I phrased my response very poorly and understand why you took it that way. Tipperary Sep 2015 #43
Why would what someone other than you does MineralMan Sep 2015 #7
sure, some people have hands that vibrate that fast naturally. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #19
Yes, you are exactly judging others as "sad" if they need a "toy to get off". cleanhippie Sep 2015 #20
Getting into or staying in a shitty relationship to get off is fucking sad. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #21
Lol. Excellent point. cwydro Sep 2015 #29
It's not sad. It is very pleasant. roody Sep 2015 #27
How is saying it is sad not judging? uppityperson Sep 2015 #39
I used the wrong word and I can understand why people were offended. However, Tipperary Sep 2015 #40
Thank you for clarifying, perhaps go edit that word out so others will understand? And uppityperson Sep 2015 #45
The vibrator doesn't leave the toilet seat up. roody Sep 2015 #50
I am truly laughing out loud because I was telling a friend about this Tipperary Sep 2015 #51
Well, it is sad when you need a toy now, but didn't previously TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2015 #42
YES ! left-of-center2012 Sep 2015 #4
Honestly, they need to build a robot massager that is actually built like a person. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author left-of-center2012 Sep 2015 #12
who cares what one cares or doesn't care about? It's about the individual woman... CTyankee Sep 2015 #5
Why are we talking about this at all? MineralMan Sep 2015 #6
I support women who want to deal with the scourge of vibrator addiction in their quest Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #9
I'm not someone who wants to tell consenting adults that how they get their jollies is "wrong". Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #8
"finger wagging"... TeeYiYi Sep 2015 #14
if I were to tell you that my wording, there, was totally unintnentional and accidental-- Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #15
You know... Oilwellian Sep 2015 #13
you can always play Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #16
. merrily Sep 2015 #33
Why is it an either/or? sarisataka Sep 2015 #17
Toys for Twats 1939 Sep 2015 #22
Someone was clutching pearls over this one Demeter Sep 2015 #26
I was juror 6 marym625 Sep 2015 #30
Good call. The OP is about a woman and her vibrator, ffs. merrily Sep 2015 #34
yeah, I know marym625 Sep 2015 #36
Not at all the same as using the word with the intent to insult. merrily Sep 2015 #38
couldn't agree more! marym625 Sep 2015 #41
Whichever you like better. merrily Sep 2015 #44
lol marym625 Sep 2015 #48
I meant I was easy going. merrily Sep 2015 #56
I laughed. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #49
Now that's a Harley ride I could get into marym625 Sep 2015 #28
If I may say so...I rather think its yuiyoshida Sep 2015 #18
No, but -- Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #23
Bawhaha! marym625 Sep 2015 #25
Toys are wonderful things. marym625 Sep 2015 #24
I can't tell you how much money vibrators have cost me Scootaloo Sep 2015 #32
. merrily Sep 2015 #37
It's not only about a vibrator. You can become addicted to anything. merrily Sep 2015 #35
the human partner does not always treestar Sep 2015 #46
As John Sang: n2doc Sep 2015 #47
I knew a guy who was addicted to his shop-vac. n/t Binkie The Clown Sep 2015 #52
Something like 4 million emergency room visits a year. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #55
Who says nature abhors a vacuum? Orrex Sep 2015 #57
A B.O.B. is preferable to a selfish guy who only cares about getting off himself. alarimer Sep 2015 #53
Mojo Nixon has a song about this condition. (nt) Heidi Sep 2015 #54
Now THIS guy knows how to vibrate! randome Sep 2015 #58
I know I'm late to the party, but check this out OxQQme Mar 2016 #59

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
11. yowch
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 09:28 PM
Sep 2015

you really want to put up the pun-signal and get pinboy involved in this thread? You think that's a good idea?

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
2. I think it is kind of sad if someone needs a toy to get off. I am not judging in any way because
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 06:40 PM
Sep 2015

who cares? But something about it seems sad to me.

Blue_Adept

(6,399 posts)
3. By saying it's sad, you are judging
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 07:22 PM
Sep 2015

Everyone feels and experiences in vastly different ways. What works for one doesn't work for another for a whole host of psychological and physiological reasons.

Saying that it's kind of sad says more about you than them.

Response to Blue_Adept (Reply #3)

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
43. See post 40. I phrased my response very poorly and understand why you took it that way.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 02:59 PM
Sep 2015

No offense to anyone was intended.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
7. Why would what someone other than you does
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 08:04 PM
Sep 2015

sexually warrant feeling sad or anything else? I don't get it.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
19. sure, some people have hands that vibrate that fast naturally.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 02:35 AM
Sep 2015

But otherwise, "sad"? That's ridiculous. Life is short. If technology makes someone's existence better, hey, go for it.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
20. Yes, you are exactly judging others as "sad" if they need a "toy to get off".
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 11:06 AM
Sep 2015

Your response is the same as "I'm not a racist, but.."

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
21. Getting into or staying in a shitty relationship to get off is fucking sad.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 11:09 AM
Sep 2015

"Bob" doesn't treat me poorly.

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
40. I used the wrong word and I can understand why people were offended. However,
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 02:58 PM
Sep 2015

I have many friends who have had difficulty in enjoying sex because of society's making them feel as though it is not something to be enjoyed. I was not judging the women and I phrased my post very poorly. I meant it is sad that it is so difficult for some women to enjoy sex because of the repressive attitudes toward women doing just that. The women who have told me of their difficulty tell me how they were shamed as young women for even thinking about sex. A "toy" was the first thing they could enjoy without feeling judged. I am still probably phrasing this wrong, but many women have problems with sexual satisfaction because of how they were raised (religion, repressive parents, societal mores, etc. THAT is what makes me sad.

Again I did not intend to judge or offend anyone here and my apologies for my poor posting skills.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
45. Thank you for clarifying, perhaps go edit that word out so others will understand? And
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 03:08 PM
Sep 2015

many people use them because they enjoy them, not because they have difficulty enjoying sex, or "need" them, but just because it feels good. Men and women.

For others with more difficulty achieving sexual satisfaction, they can be a great help.

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
51. I am truly laughing out loud because I was telling a friend about this
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 07:27 PM
Sep 2015

conversation here and she said the exact same thing!

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
42. Well, it is sad when you need a toy now, but didn't previously
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 02:59 PM
Sep 2015

But that's life. I've gotten older and the hormones aren't working as great.

bleh

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
10. Honestly, they need to build a robot massager that is actually built like a person.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 09:27 PM
Sep 2015

Last edited Mon Sep 7, 2015, 12:35 AM - Edit history (1)

There's only so much you can do with a chair, but...

ah, I've said too much.

Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #10)

CTyankee

(63,911 posts)
5. who cares what one cares or doesn't care about? It's about the individual woman...
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 07:31 PM
Sep 2015

It sounds awfully judgmental about women who want to have more pleasure with sex. Is that some kind of crime?

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
6. Why are we talking about this at all?
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 08:01 PM
Sep 2015

Seems like something for individuals to decide for themselves, really. Uff da!

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
9. I support women who want to deal with the scourge of vibrator addiction in their quest
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 09:26 PM
Sep 2015

to free themselves from the insidious hooks of the vibrator industry.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
8. I'm not someone who wants to tell consenting adults that how they get their jollies is "wrong".
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 08:06 PM
Sep 2015

It's your call.

Unfortunately we have our own finger wagging moralists on our "side" of the aisle. I guess people need things to do with their fingers.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
15. if I were to tell you that my wording, there, was totally unintnentional and accidental--
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 12:30 AM
Sep 2015

I would be lying through my teeth.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
13. You know...
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 10:20 PM
Sep 2015

what women do with dildos is not something I give much thought to. Why is this shit on DU?

sarisataka

(18,627 posts)
17. Why is it an either/or?
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 12:38 AM
Sep 2015

Hint guys- use of a toy can make your job much easier and result in a very satisfied partner

and I guess it your persuasion isn't one man, one woman it won't hurt to give it a whirl

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
26. Someone was clutching pearls over this one
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 12:10 PM
Sep 2015


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merrily

(45,251 posts)
38. Not at all the same as using the word with the intent to insult.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 02:30 PM
Sep 2015

People need to laugh more. It's healthy for mind and body.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
56. I meant I was easy going.
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 07:41 AM
Sep 2015
What did you mean?

Before anyone alerts, I'm kidding. I know it, marym knows it. (If she didn't know it, the smilies are a tip off.)

Then again, go ahead, alert. Maybe someone will pm me with the jury results. (I love to laugh.)

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
32. I can't tell you how much money vibrators have cost me
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 12:23 PM
Sep 2015

I roomed with four women once. And we would get high and "race" their vibrators down the hardwood hallway. complete with bets.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
35. It's not only about a vibrator. You can become addicted to anything.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 12:31 PM
Sep 2015

If your addiction interferes with the rest of your life, it could be a problem.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
46. the human partner does not always
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 03:12 PM
Sep 2015

converse with you, commiserate etc. In fact aren't we often told sex and love are completely different things? And you can't always find someone to love. That doctor is dumb.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
55. Something like 4 million emergency room visits a year.
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 02:28 AM
Sep 2015

Okay, fine, maybe the number is made up, but I'm sure there are a few.

Orrex

(63,203 posts)
57. Who says nature abhors a vacuum?
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 08:40 AM
Sep 2015

This marks my one-thousandth use of that fine joke.

Thank you, thank you.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
53. A B.O.B. is preferable to a selfish guy who only cares about getting off himself.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 08:44 PM
Sep 2015

And that, unfortunately, is far more common than anyone would admit.

They either don't know how or can't be bothered to take care of their partners.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
58. Now THIS guy knows how to vibrate!
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 09:07 AM
Sep 2015

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]

OxQQme

(2,550 posts)
59. I know I'm late to the party, but check this out
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 09:32 PM
Mar 2016

$3,500 for a vibrator?

snip> If the company is successful, they’ll have helped the vibrator restore its reputation, returning it to its status as a common household object. Only this time, the women buying their vibrators from the modern-day equivalent of the Sears catalog won’t need to be coy about what, exactly, they’re purchasing. And that, ultimately, is the most important cultural shift of all.

http://www.theverge.com/2016/3/28/11313512/new-jimmyjane-livesexy-intro-2-6-vibrators-ceo-interview

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