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I am sure the post was sarcastically listing the crap the right wing nut jobs say about Bill Clinton, yet the only juror who seemed to get it, didn't get it?
TYY
Good for you, that makes at least two of us now.
At this point that is a badge of honor. And I got blocked after I said, and I am unsubbing from this group, thank you very much.
I have some goodies.
Tom took these the other day at a pizza restaurant fire. Mine did not come good.
I think this was great, and it is the dang sensor.. he had the pro rig
You can see one of our female engineers, the gal with the red helmet
In my experience, what he describes is as true of some nonwhites as of some whites -- and as untrue of others.
I'm remembering from back in the 1980s a well-produced TV show that tried to examine race and sports ability, with a multiracial lay panel to discuss the findings presented from history and research. Astonishing to me (and why I remember it) was that most -- not all -- panelists didn't care about whatever the truth was, including a black woman I particularly remember. These panelists hated that these biases were being discussed out in the open so much, as if they were real or something, that they didn't care about anything but insisting they shouldn't be. Dangerous Pandora's box or something.
Now me, I'm white from California and I'll yack about this stuff whenever someone wants to.
BTW, turned out Jews were once considered to have a special, genetic talent for basketball. DH is Jewish, but when we tried having him jump we didn't see it.
The nuances are lost online and the discussion always devolves. No thanks.
In RL, the discovery of my paternal grandparents emigrating from Jamaica and shredding their Jewish mulatto race/identity card (literally ) and passing as white Protestants upon landing means its a fascinating topic rich with history for my family and friends.
They coerced all of their Jamaican born children to lie their whole lives as well. My father was born here in the US and never knew their origins until i discovered it during genealogy research 20+ years ago.
Unfortunately he's the only one still living so we have no "true" back story (only the lie that they came from Scotland. .. 
).
I did not intend to be rude. I remember stuff. I did not know her husband had passed away though and I do regret asking given that. 
Response to gollygee (Reply #113)
What you experience is different from being black, but I have no doubt that it has had MAJOR repercussions.
I think the issue is you can go "invisible" when you want to, when your husband and child are not around. You may not experience "driving while black" or getting dirty looks and no service in department stores when you are alone. On the other hand, you may get dirty looks for having a biracial child, or a black husband, and no doubt, when your husband is driving, there is always the possibility that things may "go wrong". You may have fears for your husband and child who live with "being black" and there's not a damned thing you can do to protect them from it.
As a very light skinned person (I get a lot of second looks and people trying to "figure me out"
, married to a dark skinned man, I may understand some of it.
Maybe.
I think what 1SBM is saying is that you straddle the two worlds, one foot in and one foot out. I have no doubt that being halfway in is daunting, and uncomfortable, and you see racism constantly, and have it thrown in your face whenever you are with your family, or discussing your family, or around people who know you married a black man. You are probably SO MUCH MORE IN TUNE with racism than anyone who has not married a black man ever could be. It may even feel like a constant in your life because people you love, cherish, might even die for, are black. And subjected to racism every day of their lives.
Especially as a white mother of a black child, you may feel anguish over all of the things that you cannot protect your child from.
At any rate, let me know if I get it.
Which is why I'm doing this 
while humming this
'Cause I got, "no time for the fake ones." None.
you should take the person who told you that, at their word.
You want your experience to be respected. You have to respect their experience.
I also posted Jurors views on this, which agreed with me. Some of those jurors are POC as well. Oh and I am by the way. Which is even more ironic. But hey, as I told number23 on her group, I have also been profiled. Not because of my skin color... I can pass. But becuase I cannot once I open my trap. I have been asked, no have had cops demand, to see my papers a few times. You see, I could be an illegal.
Of course that could never ever happen to a Latina 
. But this is why many of us have concluded that you want an echo chamber, have at it. I cover race, I cover courts, I cover poverty, we do labor as well, social justice, you know things I would think you might be interested in, but I don't feel like they would add anything to the discussion here. Mostly it is not wanted. So, there are other places on the wide world of the internet where these discussions are happening... gasp, some with mostly African American people.
I will leave you with this. You demand respect... you need to give it in return. I don't expect them to ever apologize. They cannot, are incapable of recognizing the hurt they have caused. They are also incapable of empathy. I truly believe that now. So you have at it. Sanctimonious, echo chamber, you got it.
right.
Heavy dose of it actually.
You really are going out of your way to prove why we cannot talk of this,. Please continue with this. It is really wonderful to see this. You will have an echo chamber on DU though. All you want is silence.
"Left field is usually seen as red baiting"
"Out of left field" is American slang meaning "unexpectedly", "odd" or "strange". The phrase came from baseball terminology referring to the area covered by the left fielder who has the farthest throw to first base.
"red baiting" from "out in left field" it IS performance art! 
wonder what "swing and a miss" means? some kind of antisemitic slur?
"strike out" what is that? an attack on unions?
"home run"?
MIRROR. try one! call a freaking lumberjack while you are at it.
you run around whining about a bullshit personal attack while attacking anybody that questions you about it, whine about being called mentally ill while doing worse to someone else, call people bullies while you condescend, bully and insult everybody here. yeah, that is a pretty big fucking log in YOUR eye.
One would think a blogger would know their facts, but I guess not.
Yeah, that's a personal attack.
Not gonna alert though.
Thanks for posting!
Are you accusing someone of being mentally ill? 
Overview
Cyberstalking. Cyberstalking is the use of the Internet, email or other electronic communications to stalk, and generally refers to a pattern of threatening or malicious behaviors. Cyberstalking may be considered the most dangerous of the three types of Internet harassment, based on a posing credible threat of harm. Sanctions range from misdemeanors to felonies.
Cyberharassment. Cyberharassment differs from cyberstalking in that it may generally be defined as not involving a credible threat. Cyberharassment usually pertains to threatening or harassing email messages, instant messages, or to blog entries or websites dedicated solely to tormenting an individual. Some states approach cyberharrassment by including language addressing electronic communications in general harassment statutes, while others have created stand-alone cyberharassment statutes.
http://www.ncsl.org/research/telecommunications-and-information-technology/cyberstalking-and-cyberharassment-laws.aspx
and let me include a lovely photo...
They are lovely, aren't they?
and you too.
I have not made a secret of how I feel about either of you two. You two are indeed bullies, and cyber harassers at the very least. See, I don't deny it. You are what you are. And it is your hobby, who am I to say what people should have as hobbies. I think it is rather unhealthy, but whatever. If you feel you need to do that, even after being told how ineffective it is and how much it does not work, whatever, Ignoring you does not work
So here is another pretty picture. Enjoy, trying to brighten your day... though your day would be much more brightened if the bullying actually worked.
and why should I buy you a drink?
Anyhoo, Colbert is on...
I guess I'm flaterred.
Thanks kiddo!
By the way, I post in AA with no problems. Sad that your despicable behavior got you banned, but I doubt you'll reflect on that.
As I said, I hold those two in utter contempt. It happened, I was this close to leaving. I was quite miffed. and to be honest, still am. Why a slew of other supposedly progressive subjects will not be posted on DU by me. Never mind they are my beat.
I just do not want to risk the ire of those two people again... and the irony of calling a minority names was kind of cute in a thread like that. What I love is being told I lied about it, when I did not. But hey. whatever.
I have avoided posting the actual identities of those two... because I think it's really between them and me, and the community standards will fail every time and twice on Sunday. I just find it highly ironic.
On edit, to be honest, I do not feel I should have to defend myself from this crap... or defend myself when I say something actually happened. The denial that something happened is a denial of somebody else's experience. The irony is that those two (rightfully so) complain that their experience is never recognized by the majority community, but my experience on this board is denied by some posters. Doubly so when these posters accuse me of denying the minority experience since I am supposedly part of a majority community when I am a member of not one, but TWO minorities.
It is one of those irony things that really I could not write up in a fiction story and have it pass muster with an editor.
Between the stupid little message from a juror (not that it was at all difficult to figure out who it was) on one of those alerts and this person's insistence on running around DU screaming about this idiocy WEEKS later, scarlet woman and I are the ones that should still be hollering about this.
And yet, we aren't. The person only shooting themselves in their quest to make others look bad, not to mention the PM's I got that day and still get everytime this person brings this up make all of the screaming incredibly worthwhile. 
I'm sorry. What?
And as for your threat about not posting stories that will be of interest to ME (in ALL CAPS NO LESS) from the bottom of my heart, THANK YOU. Seriously.
Yet another sincere THANK YOU from me to you. 
I even checked to see if scarlet had edited her posts and they weren't. Nor did anyone can get mentally ill.
And yet I am the one who best be god damn careful what I say, or else.
fuck 
even as an immigrant.
Thanks
"DU sucks. I won't post all the important info from my blog here because it is a cesspool. I won't be here much longer"
That would save you from constantly telling everyone how much DU sucks, how you won't post the "really important stuff" and how you can't wait to leave.
Just trying to be helpful.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
I don't like bullies either.
you do realize that POC are generally painted with that broad brush, right? I have been in many race discussions here, and it really does take some "listening to bitterness" to reach some type of real discourse...from all invovled. I think willingness to engage in the process is key, even if it is unconfortable. We live a society where some states want to scrub actual history, especially about race, and where several presidential cadidatez make racist statements to appease a segment of society that has no problem as identifying as racist. There is no easy discussion possible in with that, often unacknowledged or ignored, backdrop. A white, gay male friend recent posted that BLM is irrelevant, and we need to focus on important issues. Meanwhile...I was battling my fundie cousins on the issue of marriage equality. Do you think I consider him an ally? And did he respond to my post? NO. No rethinking, even no defense...just silence. How in the he'll can I consider him an ally after that?Here I am once again being told to confess my privilege, but then if I confess to my privilege, (which I feel I have- on more than one occasion), I'm told that I am making it all about me and not listening and I should just shut up. How many times do I have to listen to the same spiel? What is the end game? Is my input in helping to resolve the issue wanted? Or am I just the designated person who is to be used to take anger out on when we're not all in agreement? Because I gotta tell ya, I am so past that.
Many individuals here are bitter and angry and honestly, I think those causing the most discourse here are some of the white people who seem to be tripping over themselves in their attempt to prove how "not racists" they are. But hey, it's all good as long as they're brown nosing and ass kissing the few POC whose anger they can exploit. They play the part of the advocate for the few angry POC. They serve as their attack dogs when someone posts something that doesn't go along with the group think. I don't know why they feel they have to jump in and defend POC- could it be because they feel that POC are not capable of defending themselves? In fact, there are white individuals in this very thread who have been more vicious in their snark and insults than any person of color has ever been. IMO, they are just trying a bit too hard- and I find myself wondering if they are suffering from a huge amount of white guilt or if they are struggling very hard to disguise their own deep seated bigotries? Over compensation, I think it's called. There doesn't seem to be one person of color here that is on to it, and if there is- they're not calling any of them out on it. So I can only assume that they approve of their methods.
At some point one has to let the anger and bitterness go in order to move forward. The anger and bitterness some harbor doesn't hurt anyone but themselves in long run- and if it can't be gotten past, there will never be any resolution or closure.
So yeah, I'm done discussing race, racism and bigotry here. As I told one person, go ahead and resolve the issue here at DU, you can let me know when it's all better- and in her very best white privileged manner, she white splained to me that- it is what she thought was best. So I guess white splaining is acceptable here after all as long as it is done on behalf of POC and not to POC
I think it is strange that others don't.
http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/population.html
#1) Indentured Servants were mostly poor European White.
How do we identify whose great, great, great, Grandparents were Indentured Servants...and since they were mostly European White should they get the full amount as descendants of slaves?
2)I disagree that ALL wealth in the US was the product of Slave Labor.
Not everybody owned slaves or indentured servants...that was a privilege of the 1% in colonial days.
Believe it or not, some Europeans simply busted their ass homesteading without slaves, and lived by the sweat of their brow.... the vast majority did it this way.
Should these people be forced to pay the full amount in reparations, or just a punishment tax for being white European.
3) Should the Buffalo Soldiers (Free Black Men who joined the Union Army to "fight Indians" who participated in the Ethnic Cleansing of the West be forced to pay reparations to the Native Americans?
How much?
How do we find the descendants?
4)Should the Egyptians pay reparations to the Jews for their enslavement?
5)I'm Potato Famine Irish. My family where dirt poor, never owned slaves or servants, and busted ass (and died) building the railroads for near nothing, and were discriminated against in housing and ethnicity in those days. That wasn't fair to my great grandfather and great Uncles.
How much do the Railroads owe us?
Even the people who are 3/4 slaveholder descendants and the people who got off the plane from Nigeria yesterday?
Should every white person be paying the reparations?
Even the people who are 100% Union soldier descendants and the people who got off the plane from Australia yesterday?
Do poor whites need to pay money to rich blacks?
Do Native Americans, Hispanics, and Asians get the money, or do they pay the money?
How big is this check going to be? Would giving every black person in the country $50,000 pay for 500 years of slavery and oppression, or does it need to be much, much bigger?
And once the reparations are paid, does this solve racism in the US, or would it just make the situation worse?
All this is so confusing to me.
What you mean "we"?
Do different shades of blacks discriminate against each other? in the past and now?
How about Asians? I hear N Koreans who refugee south are horribly discriminated against. No color differences involved.
Since 1492???
Try to remember the world is not the USA.
Jesus, what a stupid notion!
God dammit, answers like this just make my blood boil
appear to be racist. I would ask them why they through that ignorant word in there.
Better to keep your mouth shut. But then again silence may imply consent or worse complicity.
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they don't feel like what they're learning applies to their lives
they don't think the teachers get where they're coming from
Alienation is a matter of perception. Most teenagers feel alienated to some extent, but this seems to be severe among young black males and IMHO there aren't a lot of factors pushing them back towards a sense of ownership in their own educations. It may be a justified reaction to living in a white-dominated society, but these easily become self-fulfilling prophecies.
they didn't get a good grounding in the basics
This is a combination of indirect racism and about eight other factors feeding into each other.
they don't see formal education leading to a good career
Again, this is mostly perception with a smattering of truth. If you tell yourself that white society is a sucker's game, then you'll live in a way that reflects that.
they think the odds are stacked against them
Absolutely true, unfortunately.
they're too distracted by tough living situations
Indirect result of racism and living around other people with a cynical attitude towards white society.
they're too distracted by girls
Universal to young men.
they're too distracted by their stupid friends
This seems socioeconomic more than racial. Getting into trouble with rich stupid friends doesn't have long-term consequences, but getting into trouble with poor stupid friends does.
they miss school due to suspensions and can't catch up
Combination of indirect racism and anger issues that in turn tier off of indirect racism.
they're too proud to ask for help
This is a whole other thread.
they're suffering from clinical depression
Valid reaction to living in a racist system and seeing friends suffer, but there's also some agency that comes into play here.
It's a fictional example, but I keep thinking about the beginning of "Straight Outta Compton" where Ice Cube is being bussed to a rich white school. Did the resources there help him to succeed, or did it just sharpen his anger at a system that he perceived as being stacked against him? Or some combination of both? Would he have been better off just staying in Compton?
Even if you treat a black kid exactly equally in the school system, there are factors at play that cannot be controlled for. The reaction of the individual kid to the system is number one.
continuing to THIS VERY DAY and all Black people arent model citizens, with no problems dealing with being on the receiving end of ENDLESS, DAILY, racism and oppression.
The sad thing is, it's just as true now as it was 22 years ago.
Here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7152355
"cheapdate (2,329 posts)
276. I'm white, I'll talk about it.
But not in the African American group where they blocked me. I'm a man and I'll talk about feminism, but not in the History of Feminism group where they blocked me."
I'm glad you were entertained. It's always good to encounter someone who finds themselves to be their own best source of fun!
Pro-tip: don't click on the link that says "reply" on my posts if you want to end a conversation *you* started. Voila, conversation ends.
Problem solved.
No, you forgot what you posted about where you'd been blocked and now you're trying to walk it back. If you are entertained by that, well, at least you live up to your screen name.
If your feelings will be healed by getting the last word in this exchange that *you* initiated, then, by all means...I'll let you get in a last squib. 
You replied to me first. I wanted nothing out of you, and still do not. Thanks.
you poor thang
and feel free to have the last word. There is no discussion of serious issues here anymore.
You will anyway. So why stop now.
In the meantime, I think this is a nice smoke picture...
Ooops water drop, Don't want you going there... really, might find something serious.
that some of these folks are allegedly having away from DU?? 
I don't know know what's funnier. People screaming about "BEinG UNaBLE TO HAVe RACE DIscusSSIONS!1!" within a three hundred post thread on race or the fact that the ones who keep trying to shut you up are to a one, people who either don't post in minority forums or have been asked in no uncertain terms to STOP posting in said minority forums????
illustrate the very behavior that got you blocked from the AA forum. Well done. I saw you upthread once again telling your faux truth about why you got kicked out -- it was for "defending yourself" and not for your obnoxious and unwanted and repeated intrusion even after you were asked to leave THREE TIMES. There may be some that truly want to believe that getting blocked from the African American group on a Democratic web site is some badge of honor, but no one with a shred of intelligence or dignity would ever honestly feel that way.
If you don't cut this crap out, I will report you to the admins. And I am truly serious about this. Your behavior is unhinged and despicable. It doesn't surprise me in the least that you don't understand that but you need to.
Up until the last two months, we only had about 7 people banned from the AA forum in the almost three years that this forum has been around. So it is just precious and adorable to see all of these recent additions to the ban list suddenly "wailing" about how they can't discuss race now on DU!
Everybody was so happy and things were so grand until those uppity Negroes (or even worse, clued in WHITE PEOPLE like Starry!! ) starting banning people who contribute nothing to race discussions or are openly hostile to black people!! It's just terrible and sooooo unfair!1!!1one 
A simple concept, yet...
Good for you!
The poster in question has already been blocked from the AA group. One can only imagine why.
Afterall its about white people not talking about race easily and black people doing so more freely.
Were white people not supposed to talk about why that might be reluctant to talk about race issues?
that would be? 
of minority posters on this board better than these people screaming reverse racism ( ), acting as though talking about minority rights is the same as minorities claiming "victimhood", calling posters a "pack of dogs," lying through their teeth, and saying ANYTHING in a thread about how too many white people will do and say ANYTHING rather than address racism.
And you and I both know that none of these people participating in this will feel anything even resembling shame for this sad little display.
When dealing with issues of race (whether Black, Alaska Native, Hispanic, Filipino, et al) we are fortunate in the larger towns of Alaska to have a very diverse population; I have always found it more instructional to listen rather than talk.
I was luckily raised, although in the South, by parents who firmly believed in equality for all races, as well as religions and sexual preference. Ats I am 61, you can imagine how appreciative that is! There are many issues of race that I have never had to deal with, but by listening to those who have, can occasionally come up with good ideas to share.
Bookmarked, and this is a kick!
