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TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 8, 2015
White America's Emotionally Abusive Relationship With Black People
by: CHAUNCEY DEVEGA
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People show you who they are. Black America saw the truth of Zimmerman and Wilson. White America chose to look away. Moreover, as is the habit of physically and emotionally abusive people, White America told black and brown folks that they were crazy to believe that Zimmerman and Wilson were racists.
This is evidence of a deeply felt hostility towards black peoples humanity.
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What happens to a dream deferred?
Does it dry up
like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore--
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over--
like a syrupy sweet?
Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.
Or does it explode?
Black folks are only human. Racial battle fatigue still grates and stresses. Racial battle fatigue also kills those who live under its shadow. Black people are not superhuman: there are many victims, those who were somehow broken by life in a racist society, they shamble on, their lives and life chances diminished and unfulfilled.
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Black America has made basic justice claims. For centuries, Black Americans have only wanted fairness, justice, and perhaps even a simple and public acknowledgement that people of color are not crazy in their critiques of the color line and its many injusticesas in many ways black folks have been and remain the prescient, amazingly insightful, and "miners canary" of American democracy.
Black Americans are a people who are made to suffer in an abusive relationship because they tell white Americans truths about themselves, out of love, and in an effort to heal and improve the United States so that the country can live up to its full potential. Unfortunately, those truths are unpopular, and too many of our white brothers and sisters are loathe to hear them.
much more of this well-written & timely piece (mho):
http://www.chaunceydevega.com/2015/09/white-americas-emotionally-abusive.html
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)and gets more of a response. But that's just how this game is played.
malaise
(268,966 posts)who are victims of institutional racism. Instead of telling African-Americans to stop being so sensitive as they hear every hour of the day, it's time for whites to stop being sensitive. All rational African-Americans know that not all white people are racist.
The fact is not enough white people are fighting institutional racism. Not enough are offended by the open season of killing of African Americans by agents of the state.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)followed by something critical, have no interest in having any kind of useful or productive conversation.
the OPPOSITE is true
I found this article thought-provoking.
Would you have preferred that I CHANGE the title of this Beautiful and Thoughtful essay?
Would that have made the article more comfortable?
I believe that as a country, we need to SEE ourselves for who we are.
ALL AMERICANS NEED TO OPEN THEIR EYES & THEIR HEARTS.
even when we DON'T like what we SEE.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)so I dont dare.
If only I could respond to you and tell you what needs to be said and not be banned in the process.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)It's fun to pretend as such... though your dramatic lack of supporting evidence for your allegation is consistent.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Not once did you consider any person as an individual and judge them by anything other than the happenstance of their birth.
Stop treating people as nothing more than a melanin count and start treating them as people.
malaise
(268,966 posts)Melanin count is precisely what governs the treatment of African-Americans - they are never treated as individuals. It was not African-Americans who established the one-drop rule - or the 3/4 human bullshit.
Wake Up!!
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)If you do it too then you aren't complaining that it's wrong you're just complaining someone beat you at your own game.
duhneece
(4,112 posts)ANd since ALL blacks are judged by racists, then Malaise's point stands.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Really? Golly this is news! Next you'll be saying --
All Jews are judged by anti-Semites.
All Muslims are judged by Islamophobes.
All gays are judged by homophobes.
I guess the next question is: Who are the racists, anti-Semites, Islamophobes and homophobes?
The answer is: We can't tell by skin color.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)I have had (and still have) several black co-workers. To me, they were just as much individuals as any other co-workers, and when I see them other places, they always seem like individuals to me.
And I have seen melanin count work in positive ways too. On the hiring side, first applicants are scored, usually the top scores are interviewed, but some other applicants are put into the interview pool even though their scores are lower - because they are minority applicants. Doesn't mean they will get the job, but it is kinda better to make the interview cut than to not make it.
and 3/4 human was a way to reduce the political power of slave owners by 25%, and not to say something about human value.
malaise
(268,966 posts)is irrelevant. They did it.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)3/4 reduces the power of slave owners
100% would increase it.
You would have liked to see slave owners have more political power rather than less?
My own position would be 0/4, but 3/4 is certainly better than 4/4.
kpete
(71,986 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Observing and discussing race rarely indicates it's all one sees; though I certainly realize the rhetorical convenience of implying as such.
If your only thoughts are rhetorical absurdities...
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Race exists. Racism exists. People of color X having a disposition of Y simply because of X is a figment of minds lacking the ability to observe and discuss like reasonable adults. Yet, so many are emotionally invested in just that very thing.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)But white America won't let them.
You have it backwards.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)(Wait. Is she talking about white people, black people -- or someone else?)
lunasun
(21,646 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)demonstrations.
We were told in no uncertain terms to shut up - we had nothing to say. We were told that nothing we had done in our entire lives mattered. There were no exceptions - we were all racists.
My sister is was married to a Jamaican man and they have 3 children - one adopted from Jamaica. After their divorce many years later my sister adopted and young black son who was an orphan.
My daughters married Native American men and have many mixed race children.
My other sister is married to a Mexican immigrant who has been naturalized.
But nothing we do is of any importance.
I think it is fair to say that all black people suffer from abuse in one way or another. That is a true statement.
But when you say all white people are racist that statement is not true. That we have turned our backs on the injustice and that we do not care that is not true. The result is that those of us who want racial equality and social justice are silenced.
Our backs have not been turned away. We have been silenced.
malaise
(268,966 posts)We've had more than a few white in-laws in our clan - a few marched at Selma. Some refuse to be silenced.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)I am not silenced totally. I work in my local area and politically when I can. But I am pretty lost here on DU.
ancianita
(36,045 posts)malaise
(268,966 posts)Very true
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)Spot on.
malaise
(268,966 posts)What a great user name.
try to understand that NO ONE LIKES TO BE STEREOTYPED - *NO ONE*
malaise
(268,966 posts)but African-Americans dislike being the victim of institutional racism even more.
Skittles
(153,150 posts)and believe me, women know what institutional sexism feels like (we are over half the population and have never had a female president)
but putting people on the defensive is NOT a good method to get people to understand any issue
if I say MEN HATE WOMEN, that would upset a lot of men because it essentially it says all men are the same and they all hate women.....no one likes to be stereotyped - it SUCKS
kpete
(71,986 posts)cheapdate
(3,811 posts)But you've probably heard by now several people comment that they won't discuss race on DU anymore. Add me to their number. Every possible discussion of race at DU has to follow the script. The boundaries of the discussion are vigilantly patrolled. Even now, I'm sure, watchful eyes are eager to detect the slightest deviation from the script in case I'm in need of a reminder.
I respect you, kpete. If hitting all the right notes and saying all the right things is what comes naturally, then what I'm saying is probably not very compelling. And it's undeniably vague and cryptic. But it has to be that way because I don't hit the all the right notes, or say all the right things, nor do I want to. I want to say what's on my mind and not get a sanctimonious lecture from three sides about it. It's not out of "fear" or reluctance. It's out of a desire to avoid the useless Kabuki theater that every contested proposition in these discussions inevitably becomes.
malaise
(268,966 posts)Couldn't say it better.
Solly Mack
(90,763 posts)kpete
(71,986 posts)was so thought-provoking for me.
Chauncey DeVega writes beautifully, and from the heart.
peace,
kp
Solly Mack
(90,763 posts)I posted that quote because, invariably, someone will come along to complain that the wording isn't right.
Shandris
(3,447 posts)"Do you hate people for the color of their skin?"
"Yes."
"I'm sorry, we're going to require that signed, in triplicate, with a photo ID of your family, a full family lineage dating back to no less than the fall of the Roman Empire, and a genuine artifact from Carthage."
Or maybe he's got a lot of hyperbole. I wonder which it could be.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)And every time someone whines #notallwhitepeople, they are doing it again.
kpete
(71,986 posts)I find it disturbing that the title of an essay
can stop us from exploring the obvious deeply held feelings of our fellow citizens
What are we so afraid of?
peace to you Starry Messenger,
kp
lunasun
(21,646 posts)address the issue . Deflection is a defense that can be used to invalidate . Just one of many "defense mechanisms," I have seen here re: race but IMO not sure it is based on fear....
someone needs to translate for me
I really have no clue what you are telling me??????
"Deflection" is not in my répertoire
peace,
kp
lunasun
(21,646 posts)content of the essay. Defects the focus away from the intent and thus prevents something from being directed at them.
malaise
(268,966 posts)a serious discussion
jonno99
(2,620 posts)a specific purpose - knowing what the result would be: squabbling about the title, and thus fomenting discontent between the races.
No thanks.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)Silenced.
In reply to your post: I posted here but not about the black experience. I posted about my own experience. There is a difference.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)It is a false mask. Silenced is being killed, or having your ability to talk stopped. You are still talking. The only threat to you is hearing opinions you find uncomfortable.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)nothing here on DU were no one wants to hear what I have to say. And yes in this article I am defending myself. This article is not true about me and white people like me.
I am not denying the truths regarding the black experience because only a fool would do that but I am sick and tired of being told how I feel about the issues. Especially when it is totally untrue.
What I am doing is confronting these issues for all races that are present in my own community. Locally where it matters what I have experienced and where I have stood for the last 40 years.
The article is very good as far as it is fair but it does not fit all of us.
We are not wanted in this fight. At least on DU.
I happen to know that is not true outside of DU. That is where I have my say. Where I defend my family. Where I work for the good of all in my community. That is where I will continue to work.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)It's a demographic and a system we all exist in. No one gets to opt out.
whatthehey
(3,660 posts)Last edited Wed Sep 9, 2015, 02:30 PM - Edit history (1)
Why do people here insist on universalizing generalized statements? This is a huge issue with DU I rarely see anywhere with an even vaguely well-educated audience.
Men are stronger than women.
The South is more Republican than the North.
Asian Americans are shorter than Americans of Scandinavian descent.
All these are absolutely completely and unequivocally true and yet we can produce thousands if not millions of massively strong women, progressive Southerners/RWNJ Yankees, Asian-Americans well over 6' and Scandinavian descendants barely over 5'.
White America and Black America are exact analogs of the above.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)the author means. What do they call people like me? Where do we fit into this article?
whatthehey
(3,660 posts)..with larger white America. I'm not flawless by any stretch. You may be far better, but the more white people there are like us who at least somewhat read articles like this and say "yep, it's a problem; I'll do what I can to help out". I don't do much frankly; maybe some correction of racist assumptions in barstool chitchat, but then again I'm not in a position to do a huge amount more. I'm in an area and job where I have very little contact with minorities personally, so first person modelling opportunity is minimal. Where those opportunities exist I do my best.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)and through my family I know a lot of children and it is them I work with. I encourage them in school and cheer them on in sports. Our area is actually pretty good since we have all races on the reservation and it is very hard to hate your own children and grandchildren so much of what we still need is education, especially for college and job preparation.
Drug use and treatment are our biggest problem but that of course reaches our across all races and all communities. In that the first thing I do is support my grandson and his friends in their efforts to quit. But we also work to keep the young children from following in the footsteps of their elders.
The best thing I get to do is help my granddaughter who is a part of President Obama's Indian Health Advisory Committee and often needs to talk issues out. I have lived in our village for a long time so I can talk with her about what it used to be like so she can see what is still needed.
So I have a lot of things I can do. I am lucky that way. In your case as in my sisters case with her children just encouraging them to do well personally is a big part of changing things. She made sure her girls and adopted son got good education and the girls went to college. One of her girls was the first black woman to graduate from the Citadel.
We do what we can. I remember a preacher talking about "who is your neighbor?" and saying to just look down at you elbow and whoever was there was your neighbor. Who ever you see in need. At the time it was very important to me because my elbow was resting on my disabled daughter's knee. I took it seriously and took care of her for 45 years.
betsuni
(25,475 posts)How do they not understand generalizations? Some sort of literal thinking problem? A lot of time wasted with this mindless nitpicking.
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)whatthehey
(3,660 posts)"White America" does not logically, grammatically or implicitly mean every single white individual in America, but how whites in general relate to blacks.
Basically it's mostly true, and generally true. Millions of white Americans accept Zimmerman and Wilson acted at least partly from racism. Many more millions do not, hence white America taken as a whole concept does not.
ileus
(15,396 posts)brer cat
(24,561 posts)Much food for thought. K&R
OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)there is no discussion of these issues here.But thanks for the link. Now with that Trash whole thread.
jmondine
(1,649 posts)Also, water is wet.
ancianita
(36,045 posts)He says:
cheapdate
(3,811 posts)and I personally know quite a few outspoken racists.
ancianita
(36,045 posts)If you exonerate yourself by claiming you're different from them, you don't prove Coates incorrect here. You actually live in what Coates describes is the Dream.
Republican racists are the primary upholders of the Dream. I hope that DU is better than all that.
cheapdate
(3,811 posts)I'm not familiar with Ta-Nehisi Coates by name, but it's possible I've read him before. I read The Atlantic from time to time and it never disappoints.
I don't know what distinction Coates was making when he spoke of "...the people who believe themselves to be white" and "...the people who need to be white".
The inverse of the first one would be '...people who don't believe themselves to be white' and the inverse of the second one would be '...people who don't need to be white.' The first makes little sense. The second makes more sense, but is odd. Coates proposes that there are some people who need to be white and some people who don't need to be white. I'm not sure what to make of that. I don't need to be white, and for that matter, I don't need to be 51 years old. But I'm both.
Coates also spoke of "exoneration" and said that in his experience the people "who believe themselves to be white" are "obsessed" with exoneration. Clearly I can't deny his personal experience, so I'll only speak for myself. The idea of seeking personal exoneration for some wrong or injustice committed without my aid, approval, or support -- and in fact, in direct opposition to my ethics and morals -- is not even a sensible proposition to me. In the words of William James, it's a dead hypothesis.
And while Coates would make a split between need/don't need to be white, you propose yet another distinction, that is, to call/not call oneself white, furthermore, to call/not call oneself white is to accept/not accept the Dream. Is this another way of saying that all ethic/color distinctions are false and should never be acknowledged or validated?
Maybe this is a useful framing for understanding color divisions in this country and maybe it's not so useful. I can't tell. It seems to be a very carefully constructed theory, maybe too carefully constructed to be of practical use.
Last question, does the rule or precept regarding whether to call/not call oneself by ones traditional ethnic/color group apply to all ethic/color groups, or to whites only? Honest question.
ancianita
(36,045 posts)think through a useful answer or two. I don't pretend I can make them short and easy.
For years I thought I'd cleared this stuff up for myself, but Coates knocked me around, so I'll have to use him, a little, as a crutch, since I can't formulate my answers without his thought sequence.
Just to think of color as a construct is a stretch for most people, even now. Many of us are aware that there's a whole sociology of color as hierarchal as nature that we've been exposed to, we've had inconvenient arguments rage around biological and sociological arenas for decades, from the Scopes trial to Taylor's The Help to yesterday's white supremacist group meetings from Idaho to Florida. Those are the whites who 'need' to be white. They accept and need the Dream that insists on exoneration, 'equal victimization,' and innocence. These whites are all around us.
Before I read Coates, I thought of 'white' as at least a useful framing for non-minority groups who consciously or unconsciously enjoy the privileges of never worrying about safety, monitoring, modulated tones, errorless behavior and a caged existence in ghettoes. They would be me.
I didn't see myself as needing to be privileged, and I thought I could, through my life, try to be the best white ally I could be. I taught in all black high schools (Black Literature, World Literature, American Lit, Women's Lit, Film Studies) for 35 years, immersed in black teens' music, culture, church life, live in a 50% black area of Chicago, have really, really good black friends, had a black foster kid, dated black men, met Henry Louis Gates, student field trips to see Farrakhan, Cornel West etc., etc.before they were on national radar. I saw working with black people as part of reparations. I've never felt exonerated and haven't expected it.
The short answer to your first two questions, up front, is that I no longer accept any color construct for even purposes of self description or identity, for purposes of privilege or not. "Racism" is the construct, skin and bone, that drowns our thinking despite civil war, civil rights, college educations and interracial marriage increases. I've vowed to try, in DU, to not reinforce color constructs while describing language, logic and behavior problems that keep us trapped in that construct or in hierarchy. I don't need to be white, and I don't accept the Dream that props it.
Your last question implies that someone is making a rule, but what I'm trying to say is that rules about what one can call oneself in America can't be 'traditional' if the tradition was built on violence. Indians have first dibs on that claim. Forgetting that is part of the Dream of those who need to be white. I think it does apply to whites, mostly, but not only. Mostly to America, but not only, because Europe.
If you want me to summarize how we came to see ourselves as white, and what that probably means for getting on better with black people on DU, I'll call that Part II.
cheapdate
(3,811 posts)It would be hard to argue that we as a country are not in a better place than we were 150 years ago. 150 years ago, educated and respected, mainstream political and religious leaders argued confidently that slavery was just, right, and ordained by God. Those arguments took a bloody civil war and very long time to die. After the Civil War, educated and respected, mainstream political and religious leaders argued confidently that segregation was just, right, and ordained by God. Those arguments, too, took a very long time to die. It was not until the 1960s, after the Civil Rights Act was passed, that the Southern Baptist Convention finally abandoned it's arguments for segregation and admitted that it was wrong. Theories of "race" that were accepted without question by nearly all educated and respected men of learning 100 years ago appear strange today.
But progress is slow and attitudes are stubbornly ingrained. The masses are slow to adopt the leading edge of change and progressive thought. I was born and raised in the Deep South. I've seen racism from almost every possible angle. I've seen some change, but I've also seen that a lot things don't change, or they change very slowly.
As far as how we discuss these things on DU -- I don't know what to say. I've had posts hidden for being "racist" (which they weren't) and I'm blocked in African American group. I'm not convinced that these discussions about racial divisions on DU are of any real use.
I can testify with confidence that any optimistic assessment that attitudes in the South are undergoing a rapid change, or that the younger generation is abandoning the attitudes of their parents and grandparents in large numbers, is overstated.
Anyway, it's been fun.
cheapdate
(3,811 posts)today on NPR on my drive home. Coates is a wise person.
ancianita
(36,045 posts)ancianita
(36,045 posts)kpete
(71,986 posts)now THAT is profound and certainly can be SEEN right here on this thread.....
thanks so much ancianita
peace,
kp