This Is What Happens When DC Insiders Recruit WRETCHED CONSERVATIVES To Run As Democrats

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Do you remember when Chris Van Hollen's DCCC recruited conservative Democrat Mike McMahon to run for the Staten Island congressional seat after incumbent Republican Vito Fossella was discovered to have two families, one in NY and one in Virginia? McMahon beat Republican Robert Staniere 61-33%, promptly joined the Blue Dogs, voted with the GOP almost all the time-- including against the Affordable Care Act-- and made sure no Democratic base voters would be interested in voting for him again. Two years later, the GOP ran a low-level Mafia crook, Michael "Mikey Suits" Grimm, who was able to beat McMahon while Democratic voters sat on their hands. Thanks, Chris Van Hollen (and Chuck Schumer, who had also pushed McMahon as a nice, safe DINO). This is what happens when the Democratic Party recruits conservatives who don't share the values and principles of Democratic voters. It happens all the time when party bosses like Schumer, Van Hollen, Rahm Emanuel and Steve Israel think they know better than the voters. Today McMahon is competing-- as a Democrat-- against Republican Joan Illuzzi for the Conservative Party endorsement in the Staten Island district attorney race. He may actually win it too; after all; he is a conservative and backs the conservative agenda.


Now let's head down South to Louisiana, the ancestral home of McMahon's disgusting Blue Dogs. Mary Landrieu was a right-wing Democratic senator who finally pissed off enough Democratic voters that she lost her seat in 2014 to actual Republican Bill Cassidy. She often voted with the Republicans on crucial matters-- more than almost any other Senate Democrat, especially when it came to anything to do with her campaign donors at Big Oil (like the Keystone XL Pipeline). She voted to confirm corporate whore John Roberts to the Supreme Court, voted for wire-tapping US citizens without court orders and opposed minimum wage increases and opposed the public option in the Affordable Care Act, which she explained by saying, "When people hear 'public option' they hear 'free health care'. Everybody wants free health care. Everybody wants health care they don't have to pay for." In 2012 National Journal named her the 47th most conservative member of the Senate. After the voters of Louisiana tossed her out, she took a job as a lobbyist with one of DC's slimiest lobbying firms, Van Ness Feldman, and more recently she worked with Joe Lieberman to influence Democratic senators to vote against the Iran nuclear deal. She's on the board of Citizens for a Nuclear Free Iran, a front group for AIPAC and a bunch of warmongers who want to attack Iran. Landrieu and her pals-- slimy right-wing Dems like Lieberman, Evan Bayh and Shelley Berkley-- are part of the operation spending $20 million in deceitful TV ads about the Iran deal, like this one:


Meanwhile, Landrieu announced that she has $146,261 left in her campaign war chest and will hand it out to help some of her former colleagues running for reelection. "I can use that money," she said, "to help other Democratic candidates that helped Louisiana and that continue to be in a position to help Louisiana." Really? She tried persuading Ron Wyden (D-OR) to vote against the Iran deal, and failed-- he announced yesterday he's voting for it. But among the "Democratic candidates" she says she'll give money to are Republican incumbents Rob Portman (OH) and Susan Collins (ME). This is exactly what happens when conservative careerist insiders in DC call the shots for the Democratic Party. They recruit right-wing candidates like Landrieu, McMahon, Blanche Lincoln, Heath Shuler, etc., and sell Democratic voters a bill of goods. When the voters figure it out-- once the reprobates start voting-- they stay home on Election Day and the Republicans win the seat. Landrieu, McMahon, Lincoln and Shuler were all replaced by actual Republicans-- instead of by Republicans calling themselves Democrats.


Today the DSCC-- under the thumb of Schumer and his puppet Tester-- is doing the exact same thing in Florida, where they are smearing the good name of progressive icon Alan Grayson to get their Wall Street shill, "ex"-Republican Patrick Murphy, into the seat, and the DCCC is doing the same thing by recruiting countless conservatives and even "ex"-Republicans like the execrable Monica Vernon (IA-01) and Mike Derrick (NY-21), while they undermine and sabotage solid progressives everywhere-- like these. It's time to say NO to Chuck Schumer, Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Steve Israel at the ballot box. Don't vote for the Republicans and right-wing Democrats they are recruiting. Lesser-of-two-evils is not a good enough reason to throw the Democratic Party to the dogs.






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1. UPDATE: Progressive Dem Wins In Oklahoma

".....This week, Steve Israel's, Rahm Emanuel's and Chuck Schumer's anti-progressive theory of candidate recruitment was proven wrong again. In a deep red Oklahoma legislative district once held by now-Governor Mary Fallin, right-wing Republican Chip Carter was defeated by progressive Democrat Cyndi Munson 53.7-46.3%. It's a district that hasn't been in Democratic hands in living memory. And Munson is no Republican-lite Blue Dog-type preferred as "electable" by the DCCC, DSCC and DNC. Cyndi campaigned on a platform that included LGBT equality, women's Choice and repealing a tax cut for the rich that will take effect on January 1. Carter had been endorsed by Fallin and Senators Inhofe and Lankford and had massively outspent Munson. Beltway Democratic insiders need to rethink their recruitment strategies at the DCCC and DSCC immediately and stop pushing right-wing fake Democrats like Patrick Murphy (FL) and Monica Vernon (IA)....."

[kenfrequed]

15. Hell yes!

We need an army of progressive candidates to run and the hell with the blue dog bullshit that has tried to convince us that only republican lite can win in red states.

[LiberalArkie]

30. Several new people are running in Arkansas also.

[Art_from_Ark]

40. I would like to hear about these new people in Arkansas

I would also like to see Bill Halter make a comeback.

[LiberalArkie]

41. I have not heard of him in a race yet, but I posted about 2 new guys

in the Arkansas forum. As I find them I have been trying to update it. And there is always the one and only

http://www.arktimes.com.

[Art_from_Ark]

42. Thanks for the link

I was reading about Conner Eldridge and his quest for Boozman's Senate seat. Have you heard anything about him?

[Mr. Evil]

32. This is proof that the internet can be useful for useful information.

The voters are learning.

[Dustlawyer]

36. Democrats/Progressives are sending a message this time that we are fed up with

the corrupt, sell-out Democrats that have been business as usual. Actually, they have been more openly corrupt than ever before!

Even many Republicans, for some of the same reasons, are tired of the bought off politicians. That is the main reason for Trump's popularity.

The 1% has gone too far, the question is, will we back someone like Bernie all the way through to the White House and beyond? Will we do what it takes to pressure Washington into Publicly Funded Elections? This is what it will take at a minimum to regain Representative Democracy! We have to dismantle the banking and media oligarchies, lock the Revolving Door, beef up the Regulatory Agencies, reduce the military, and tax the people making the money!

[Duval]

81. Great questions! We need

a Bernie Revolution and I'm all in!

[Betty Karlson]

79. Thank you for that good news. n/t

[arcane1]

2. And it works because, for too many, all that matters is that "D" n/t

[hifiguy]

4. As Jerry Seinfeld once put it in the context of baseball,

there are somewho just root for the laundry.

[WinkyDink]

6. IMO, any "D" is superior to any "R." Wouldn't the point here be Primary votes?

[hifiguy]

3. It all started in the 1990s, when the Clintons and their DLC pals

began selling off the party piecemeal to the oligarchs who couldn't abide the repuke jebus-wheezers any longer. Which is why so much of the Democratic party now looks like 1970s-1980s Repukes. Now the DLC is gone and replaced by the equally repellent and toadying Turd Way types.

It did, however, benefit the Clintons and the DLCers mightily, and that's the most important thing, right?

[jeff47]

5. Nah, that's when it went into "high gear".

Republican-lite was rampaging through the party before that. Carter's loss was supposed to be the death knell of liberalism. Sure a few icons like Ted Kennedy would hang on, but the glorious future belonged to the conservatives.

[brooklynite]

7. UNREC

Staten Island has the highest concentration of Republicans in NYC. Name a suitably progressive Democrat who could have won that seat.

Same question about Louisiana. Mary Landrieu, in addition to supporting Democratic Leadership, voted FOR ACA, FOR gun background checks, supports a right to choose, voted to repeal DADT and voted to repeal the Bush Tax Cuts for upper income people. But you'd rather lose the seat to a Republican as long as your candidate is ideologically pure.

FWIW - I'm having dinner with Tester tonight; I'll let him know you're concerned.

[lonestarnot]

8. Fix your last line "your"

[staggerleem]

86. No correction necessary.

You should learn grammar before attempting to correct someone else's.

You're is the contraction for "you are", as in "you are concerned".

"Your" would be correct if the sentence was "I'll let him know about your concerns."

I'm generally willing to let spelling & grammatical errors slide, but when an error is posted as a correction, that's a bridge too far.

[lonestarnot]

89. Then why did the poster fix it if it wasn't wrong. My grammar is just fucking fine.

[Segami]

10. Don't bother. Same talking point.

Enjoy your meal.

[Rex]

12. Notice it is always 'find a progressive' never even a mention of a moderate

because you know...progressives and moderates are considered extremists by some, sadly even here on DU. This is what happens when the DC bubble crowd pretends to understand real life for the rest of the country. Always an utter failure imo.

[truedelphi]

27. Interesting discussion I heard on Rachel Maddow last night.

Maddow had on a Republican strategist, basically the "R" version of Rachel, and this woman was saying how the Republicans cannot win the WH without getting the independent vote. And that is exactly right - Pew Survey polls show us that is true. And Maddow did not contest that end of things.

But it does make me wonder on how voters in the USA are ever going to get the discussions that are needed placed in the hands of reasonable people who value the middle class. People in both parties, and the indies as well, are all fed up to the hilt with the sort of political trash that we have now.

From the Clintons to The Bush Family to "The Donald," many voters realize that none of these people represent the middle class. But what the hell do we do about it?

[Mr. Evil]

33. The answer is...

Come to websites like this, read, learn and vote accordingly. As of now the appropriate candidate for president would be Bernie Sanders.

Sadly though, a great many voters still just vote for who's next in line.

[brooklynite]

53. A great many voters don't "come to websites like this"...

...and a great many liberals don't either.

Bottom line: the average voter of whatever political stripe doesn't hang out on political blogs.

[Fumesucker]

62. I'm surprised at how much political information people are getting from Facebook

I don't do the book of faces myself but I have quite a bit of family that breathlessly tell me stuff I've known for years that they just discovered on Facebook.

[Rex]

104. LOL! So true!

Facebook is years behind, yet most places are since DU is a current events hub. It is just funny how even moderates are scowled at by the DC Bubble kids. They are such delusional people.

[truedelphi]

118. I think a partial explantion for that is that a person might be informed of a fact,

say, way back in the day, but it might sound to them like the fact is about a very boring and tedious subject (Think almost anything related to the "Economy!&quot so the person doesn't let the fact register inside their brain.

But Facebook allows for some clever people to put together interesting graphics and words from very entertaining pundits so that the fact made about the boring topic suddenly is amusing or interesting, and in any case, quite cutting edge. Then the fact registers with them and they suddenly feel they have discovered said fact before you have!

[Rex]

105. True a lot of voters are low information voter that vote based on their emotions.

Thankfully these younger generations grew up with the WWW and cannot be controlled traditionally. Pisses the DC crowd off to no end...free knowledge etc..

I love watching the control freaks lose it over the Information Age. Puts them in their place.

[ibegurpard]

29. Oh you are are you?

Tell him hello from one of his constituents. You can also thank him again for me for standing up for Planned Parenthood, the Iran Deal, and good climate change science. I told him myself at our state Democratic convention a few weeks ago ( where he received standing ovations on all those issues) but I'm sure he'd like to hear it again. Jon Tester is an ethical progressive senator.

[sulphurdunn]

68. I think the primary

complaint is over conceding conservative states and districts to conservative democratic candidates by failing to build progressive coalitions to elect progressive candidates.

[brooklynite]

100. ...and that would be up to the locals...

...have you had any success building up a progressive coalition in a Red State?

[sulphurdunn]

103. I haven't, but 'we' have at the local level

in my own very red county. That's where it counts first. It has also been my experience here that the local democratic party couldn't care less about local issues and is only concerned with making certain it backs its state and federal candidates.

[brooklynite]

107. Then maybe it's your job to take over the local Party with like-minded progressives

[sulphurdunn]

108. I would never dream of such a thing

[brooklynite]

109. Hmm...much easier to complain about what other people in the Party do?

[7962]

83. I dont get how so many people think "one size fits all" is the best option.

You HAVE to work according to your population mix.

[elleng]

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[Rex]

11. REC

If only the leadership cared enough to find real Dems to run for seats and not these DINOs. If you vote with the GOP all the time, you are NOT a Dem imo.

[LeftOfWest]

13. Rodney Tom Washington State

right wing dino who caucused with the Rethugs to help destroy public education and prevent taxing the rich with income tax here.

Then he quit. The damage is done and we are working hard to make sure that crap does not happen again, we had our own right wing protect the 1% jerk DNC boss like Debbie Wasserman Schultz that contributed to this as well.

Supreme Court ruled Charter Schools cannot take money from public funds, Rodney Tom went nuts with his rethug pals.

Scum of the earth.

[eridani]

56. The local state party is at fault as well. They immediately supported Tom against--

--an actual Democrat, pissing off the local Dems in the district.

[LeftOfWest]

58. that support was brutal and eye opening.

Your posts are very valuable.

oh and by the way, Tim Sheldon, ugh, for me anyway.

Forgot to 'mention' him.

1% at all costs...no more from me eridani. Will be at caucus, and vocal.


btw,eridani, events, etc., your posts, look at that every single day.

Thank you.

[NYCButterfinger]

14. I like Mike McMahon. He's a good man.

He had to be conservative - leaning for Staten Island and Southern Brooklyn. Have you seen that part of NYC? They despise Obama, Biden, Mayor De Blasio. But I don't know if McMahon can win the DA race.

[NYCButterfinger]

16. Brooklynite is right. Progressives have a hard time

winning in Staten Island, Oklahoma. Blue Dogs are needed sometimes. You need a Dan Boren, a Joe Manchin, and a Dan Lipniski. You can't write off red leaning areas, or else you'll get another 2014 election.Democrats that fight on the issues win. Period. I want to see the Democratic Party compete in ever red leaning area of the country, and if they can't do that, then the Democratic Party should cease to exist.

[Trajan]

84. So you would sell your ever lovin soul for an election win?

When in Staten Island, be a conservative so you can win?

Isn't this the same as being spineless? ...

I don't want to be extremely dogmatic, but, I don't like being fooled at election time ... The Democratic Party would do well to let conservatives be conservatives and become the bastion of dignity for ALL citizens ...

So, don't mind me as I resist you and the other un-liberal-mostly conservative 'democrats' in this forum ... I would rather draw a line and lose than believe you have the best interests of regular citizens in mind ...

[NYCButterfinger]

94. No, don't sell your soul. Campaign on economics, a better America and you can win anywhere.

Candidates like Elizabeth Warren can't win in Staten Island. McMahon is better than the GOP. How about that. You have to have a vision and a viewpoint to win elections today. Not all candidates will be ideological. It's just the way it is.

[MFrohike]

111. The triumph of wishful thinking over reality

"Blue Dogs are needed sometimes."

There's about six of them left. They didn't get primaried, they got their asses handed to them in general elections. They didn't just lose in one election, it started in 2006. If they can't win the red districts, why run them at all? I mean, if they can't do the one damn thing they are supposed to do, why keep reinforcing their failure? It's been a decade of their failure. It's time to try something that might actually work.

[geek tragedy]

17. Staten Island is full of Republicans--they supported the cops who killed Eric Garner nt

[dorkzilla]

19. Yep, and they aren’t distinguishable at all from the stereotypical red state republican.

Have you seen the shit hole that is Staten Island? Full of the temporarily embarrassed millionaires-types. They sure as shit raised hell when their FEMA dollars didn’t come flowing after Hurricane Sandy....and who did they blame? Not the 31 GOP members opposed to funding, they blamed OBAMA.

Fuck Staten Island. But if you do wear a condom cause you don’t know what you’ll catch.

[geek tragedy]

21. lots of McMansion uglytechture nt

[dorkzilla]

24. ...and don’t forget the trailer parks right next to the McMansions!

Because it makes REALLY GOOD SENSE to expand your bungalow to a McMansion next to a trailer park. That won’t backfire on you if you ever come to your senses and try and sell it.

[MisterP]

18. heck, they pass their bills once they win: did everyone think that the decade of "your complaining

is what lets the GOP win" was coming from a sincere and honest stance?

[Stevepol]

20. Double K&R!!

I hope and pray that Bernie's election will put an end to this Republicanization of what used to be the Democratic Party.

Sweep the place clean! Get DWS out as head of the DNC and keep her as far away from Washington as possible, maybe give her an ambassadorship in Mongolia.

[NuclearDem]

22. How the hell would anyone on the left win Staten Island?

Amazing work comparing apples and oranges though; you're aware of a difference between an entire state and one district, right?

[RBInMaine]

23. How come Humphrey, McGovern, Carter the second time, Mondale, and Dukakis all LOST??????

But Clinton WON? There are some districts where a liberal Democrat simply can not win. Or prove otherwise. Moderate does not mean "right wing." I really like Bernie, but what is his path to a GENERAL ELECTION win? He will be bombarded as a "SOCIALIST SOCIALIST SOCIALIST".

[dorkzilla]

25. Yes but “SOCIALIST” is ALL they can throw at Bernie. Hillary? She’ll be bombarded by a lot more. nt

[PosterChild]

43. "Socialist" is basically disqualifying . ...

.... they won't have to throw anything elae. And they won't even have to throw it at him it - he has already done its to himself.

[leftofcool]

64. No, that isn't all.

You might do some research.

[frylock]

74. You might provide some examples.

[Mr. Evil]

38. Good. Let them bombard him as a socialist. Then maybe, just maybe

they'll finally learn what it really means. Just take a close look at Bernie's rallies already. A lot of people are learning and liking.

[PosterChild]

45. You can teach folks all about socialism, or...

...you can run for president . But you can't do both.

[dorkzilla]

50. bullocks

As soon as they hear his platform, no one will care what he calls himself. Socialism isn't a bad word and it's a pretty good philosophy. It's working quite well in other countries.

[leftofcool]

65. Yea, if most of those countries are 99% white.

Which they are.

[dorkzilla]

66. what the hell does that mean-brown people can't grasp the concept or white people won't share?

Either way, me thinks that's some pretty horrible racists trope right there.

[leftofcool]

71. Try some research on "scandanavian" countries

[dorkzilla]

73. I know what countries are socialized, you're not answering the question

Do you mean that a country must not be racially diverse for socialism to work?

[frylock]

75. The fuck does that have to with anything?

[LanternWaste]

92. Post hoc ergo prompter hoc.

Post hoc ergo prompter hoc.

Sheesh, there must be a banking run on logical fallacies today.

[PosterChild]

95. Yes, OTHER countries. You might ....

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.... want to look into the electoral history of socialism in America . That's "history" as in "the dust bin thereof".

[dorkzilla]

96. so we will never ever accept it in this country?

Again...bullocks.

[PosterChild]

97. Never is a long, long time....

.... but let's focus on the issue - Bernie is not going to be nominated let alone become president because he has disqualified himself by declaring himself a socialist. Game over.

[dorkzilla]

98. well I guess I will just take your word for it, stop volunteering for Bernie and throw my support

To Hillary because you've made such a coherent argument against him

Bullocks again; people change, times change, opinions change and minds change.

[PosterChild]

115. Don't take my word for it...

...have fun, and do good.

My argument isn't for Hillary, per se, it's for electability. Which does, imho, favor Hillary over Bernie.

If you would care to look into it further, here are some resources.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/183713/socialist-presidential-candidates-least-appealing.aspx

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/08/17/could-a-socialist-actually-be-elected-president/

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/09/bernie-sanders-socialism-eugene-v-debs-213093?o=1

[dorkzilla]

116. Nah...If I find out something horrible about Bernie I’m voting for Martin O'Malley

I’m not voting for a hawk or a corporatist, and I believe she isn’t electable either. I registered to vote the day i turned 18, have never missed an election (not even a local school one) but I would be hard-pressed to vote for her.

Hillary has a HUGE electability problem, as she did in 2008. I respect your opinion but that’s all it is. I will vote as my conscience dictates.

Bernie has as much of a chance of a young African American man with half the experience Bernie does. But rest assured, if Hillary is our candidate I will happily vote for her.

No doubt come what may, we will meet each other as allies at the GE.

[PosterChild]

117. Speaking as a MD resident, O'Malley ....

.... would make a good president. I'm glad we have a strong field to choose from.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

46. Humphrey almost won (it was so close that the results weren't available

till the following afternoon. I was taking a class at the University of Minnesota, and at each campus shuttle stop, people would ask those who were waiting if the results were in yet), McGovern was falsely characterized as the "hippie candidate," Carter was stymied by the hostage crisis, and Mondale and Dukakis were just bad candidates. I mean, I cringed at their campaigns. They didn't so much antagonize the moderates as underwhelm them. As usual, the committed Dems voted for them, but the independents saw them as inept.

In fact, I believe that Humphrey would have won if he had come out strongly against the Vietnam War. But he was silent during his term as vice-president, so anti-war types favored Gene McCarthy or Robert Kennedy--and Kennedy was on a role, having won the California primary and having a good chance of winning New York, and might have been nominated if he hadn't been assassinated. The "police riot" at the Chicago convention turned off a lot of anti-war voters who might have voted Democratic.

I was too young to vote in 1968 (the voting age was still 21), but an older friend who was of voting age told me that one of the great regrets of her life was sitting out the 1968 election, due to her anger over the war.

So I'm sick of the old DLC line, "No left Democrat could win in red states." One just did in Oklahoma. Oh, and Paul Wellstone won in red counties, of which Minnesota has a lot more than outsiders might think. The question isn't left or right. The question is "Who is speaking to the real needs of the constituents instead of just mouthing corporate platitudes crafted by Beltway insiders who don't know personally know anyone with an income below $200,000?"

[kenfrequed]

55. Uhm... "moderate" democrats should never bring up McGovern

There were a lot of establishment democrats that were mad as hell at the way McGovern managed to win the nomination and most of them switched over to vote for Nixon out of spite and greed to keep their power. Additionally McGovern was running against the premier political dirty trickster of the last century.

And Humphrey was the more "moderate" Democrat that had lost in '68. McGovern ran to the left of him four years later.

[Octafish]

26. Wretched is the word Kick.

Wretched and Rec.

[Enthusiast]

28. This is not the 1980s. Or, even the 1990s. Based on Hillary's stated positions she has noticed

that things have changed in the electorate, radically changed. She wouldn't come out and say she favors the TPP and XL pipeline because the electorate is against these positions.

Look at the gay marriage and marijuana issues for example. Things. Have. Changed.

The American people (ELECTORATE) are also sick to death of these faked up counterproductive unpaid for wars of profit.

We will no longer fall for the mushroom cloud 'cry wolf' thing.

How stupid did Jeb Bush sound on Colbert when he said lower taxes and regulations were the answer?

If the media was fair the entire nation would turn blue.

[jfern]

31. Results of your Jury Service

On Thu Sep 10, 2015, 03:30 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

This Is What Happens When DC Insiders Recruit WRETCHED CONSERVATIVES To Run As Democrats
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027157757

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

There are Democrats on this board who find the way this was phrased highly offensive.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Sep 10, 2015, 03:42 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The alerter should discuss it with the poster and not try to silence the poster. This is a discussion board.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: So?
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Now we are down to censoring things because some might find it offensive?

Sorry knock the post down with rebutal this hiding behind the jury system is lame.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: So, argue your point instead of hitting the alert button.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: We can't just hide every post that people don't like
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Wtf?

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[Egnever]

35. At least it was 0-7

There remains at least a touch of sanity here.

[hobbit709]

37. Another idiotic alert.

[Segami]

47. Thanks jfern....

and to those who shared their thoughts!

"...The alerter should discuss it with the poster and not try to silence the poster. This is a discussion board..."

"..So?.."

"....Now we are down to censoring things because some might find it offensive?.....Sorry knock the post down with rebutal this hiding behind the jury system is lame...."

"...So, argue your point instead of hitting the alert button...."

"...We can't just hide every post that people don't like..."


and my favorite....


"...Wtf?..."

[SMC22307]

54. Jurors sure got that one right... love sweeps. (n/t)

[kacekwl]

34. Thank you for the information

Good to know.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

39. You can expect an outright PURGE of Liberals from the party if the Clintons win.

[Segami]

48. If the Clintons win....

You can kiss the Democratic Party as you know it goodbye.........

[Proud Liberal Dem]

70. What is the basis for THAT assertion?

That seems pretty dramatic IMHO. Any Democrat elected next year will likely preserve/expand on President Obama's moderate/left-leaning policies. I know that Bernie wants to take things further/faster to the left but won't be able to without a profoundly progressive Congress, which I'm guessing that we won't be able to get in 2016- so, he'll be stuck having to make compromises and trying to work with Republicans to try to get some of his agenda passed (and, like with Obama, he will likely be raked over the coals for all of his "broken campaign promises" and for meeting with Republicans). I am personally MUCH more worried about what happens if one of the Republicans currently in the running wins. I'll take Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump, Ben Carson, Scott Walker, Jeb Bush, et. al ANY day of the week! Even compared to where the Democratic Party was in 2008 when Barack Obama ran and and won, the Democratic Party has moved to the left in some pretty major ways. I think that it's getting better, not worse. Why would Hillary winning make it worse? Is she going to move us backwards on abortion rights, GLBT equality, launch wars based on lies and manipulation, give out bucketfuls of tax cuts to millionaires?

[pandr32]

101. Please do explain

The Republican Party is in chaos. President Obama has had much success, including his so-called "lame duck" last stint so far. It is the Democrats that have been coming together and getting things done, albeit it would be a lot more if not for the drama and obstruction from the right.
One by one many of those who supported Republican nonsense are having the consequences personally visited upon them in some way and can no longer pretend they live in an insulated bubble where they can vote for draconian cuts and it will only effect the other guy...you know...democratic moochers and takers. The big corporations have not brought outsourced jobs back, nor have they invested in infrastructure, communities, innovation, or anything with their off-shored money. Gays have not "converted" them to their lifestyle, so they have been able to relax a little, and too often someone they know has been shot or a mass shooting has occurred in their State. And then there are those who live near exploding trains or severe contamination from a toxic spill. Add to that the fact that we did not become "energy independent" even though there is drilling and fracking everywhere, and the weather is getting pretty darn weird.
This is why there is chaos in the Republican Party. Dems are doing just fine and finally not being afraid of openly supporting their wonderful POTUS.

[YabaDabaNoDinoNo]

57. Any party purge will be mostly voluntary, I would venture to guess there are many long time democrats

ready to walk away from the Party if Bernie does not win the party nomination. I am one and I personally know many others.

From what I have been seeing go down lately it is Bernie who is holding the Democratic Party together right now.

Bernie generates enthusiasm and will motivate people to come and and vote for him, the other candidates not so much.

Save this post because I will guarantee folks right now, that we will have the LOWEST voter turnout by percentage of eligible voters in history if Bernie is not the Democratic Nominee.

OH yeah and any liberals and progressives who choose to stay will be purged just like you said.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

59. That's what it took to get Howard Dean in charge.....

The DLC would have been happy to run Harold Ford clones everywhere.

As Malloy used to say, [font color=blue]"Hi! I'm a New Democrat! Kill me!"[/font] [font color=red]"Okay..."[/font] *thud* [font color=blue]"Hi! I'm a New Democrat! Kill me!"[/font] [font color=red]"Okay..."[/font] *thud* [font color=blue]"Hi! I'm a New Democrat! Kill me!"[/font] [font color=red]"Okay..."[/font] *thud* [font color=blue]"Hi! I'm a New Democrat! Kill me!"[/font] [font color=red]"Okay..."[/font] *thud* [font color=blue]"Isn't this fun?"[/font] [font color=red]"Yup..."[/font] *thud*

[pandr32]

102. Real democrats know

...that it is important to stick together and vote a democrat ticket...too much is at stake for anything less. Real democrats will rally behind their nominee, even if it wound up being Bernie Sanders who is an independent running on the dem ticket.

[YabaDabaNoDinoNo]

110. So what are real democrats as you say?

[craigmatic]

44. We live in mushy times when there are no rules and convention doesn't matter. Personality, timing,

resources and message wins elections.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

49. I don't vote for labels.

[DirkGently]

51. Conservatives are fleeing the chaos in the Republican Party.

And, whether by accident or design, converting to / running as / trying to dictate the principles of ours.

Excellent examples and information here.

Well done.

[GoneFishin]

52. Right wing fake Democrats make me wretch.

[silvershadow]

60. Your post inspired me to donate to Grayson. I don't really care what anyone else thinks about it.

We need an attack dog like him to speak some real truths in the Senate. Thanks for the post.

[Scuba]

61. Right wing fake Democrats make me wretch too.

[Fuddnik]

63. Look at the wretched Floriduh Democratic Party.

The FDP Chair is a former ChoicePoint employee and lobbyist. The company that generated the 80% inaccurate 2000 voter purge list, that gave Floriduh to George W. Bush (yeah, I know, Nader Nader Nader). Her husband worked under Ted Cruz in the Bush v Gore case....on the Bush side. Now he's working with the utility monopolies to defeat a major solar power initiative next year. She was hand-picked for the job by DINO, and C-Street Family cult member Bill Nelson and Debbie Weaselman-Schlitz.

Weaselman-Schlitz is well known for endorsing Republicans, and refusing to support, and even actually undermining progressives.

In 2006, I was co-managing a congressional race and after we beat the DCCC's preferred candidate by 12 points in a 3-way primary, some of our donors were calling to tell us that the DCCC was calling them and telling them to stop donating to our campaign. Weaselman-Schlitz endorsed "her friend" the Republican, in the general.

After Nelson refused to join a proposed filibuster of Sam Alito's nomination, I filed to run against him, just to fuck with his head. The then Party Chair sent her incompetent lap dog (now a state party Vice-Chair) to order me out of the race. My response was 2 words.

[djean111]

77. I live in Florida, and you are spot on (with maybe an awful lot of extra space in your OP).

Watching the Democratics up close and personal makes any harangue about how me must get more liberals elected look like the hollow joke it is. The Democratic Party here is corrupt, and run corruptly. And is a microcosm of the rest of the country.

[KG]

67. The dem party is a joke. stop blaming 'the media' and look in the mirror.

[leftofcool]

72. If the "Dem" Party is such a joke why does Bernie want to run in it?

[frylock]

76. Bernie wants to fix it.

[bobclark86]

90. He wants the money.

Not good enough for him for 25 years inside the Beltway, but when he wants the money, he jumps in.

[frylock]

93. Bernie is all about the Benjamins.

[bobclark86]

99. Why the sudden love affair with a party that's not good enough for him?

He wants the money and the ballot line. He'd never make it as a third-party candidate. You're blind if you don't see it.

[brooklynite]

112. He's happy to raise money for it...

I had dinner with Bernie at a "retreat" for the deepest of deep-pocket funders of the DSCC.

Shouldn't he be "cutting them off"?

[frylock]

113. How was the wine?

[brooklynite]

114. Been a couple of years, but I don't remember any complaining...

...also rather nice at the DSCC lunch last year with Elizabeth Warren...and quite good at this week's DSCC dinner with VP Biden.

[NYCButterfinger]

69. McMahon lost the Conservative Party primary last night

to Joan Illuzi. He's going to run in November. He's a moderate Democrat. He's the best Staten Island Democrats can do. He can appeal to Independent voters too.

[FairWinds]

78. Democrats will keep losing until they . .

start telling voters the truth.

That the GOP is actively sabotaging SS, Medicare, public education, the postal service,
and much more - which is both true and easily proven.

Even the progressive dem campaigns are wimpy beyond belief.

(I have been a campaign adviser in Ohio)

[lark]

80. This is exactly why I NEVER donate to that horrible organization.

Wasserman-Schultz and Schumer are boils on the hide of the party and need to be lanced. they are toxic DINOS who always vote with Repugs on really important matters like Iran agreement, war votes, and SCOTUS votes. They are the reason we have Alito and Roberts on the court, they voted for these assholes instead of filibustering them as they should have happened.

[zentrum]

82. The Schumer graphic

…is so on target. Neocon.

[Kermitt Gribble]

85. Huge K&R! n/t

[staggerleem]

87. I am DONE with Chuck Schumer!

I've voted for him 3 or 4 times, but he's blown it for me with his Iran position.

If there's no progressive running for his seat, I'll just do what I always do when I see a Republican running for any office unopposed - NOT VOTE for that position.

I sincerely hope that the Working Families party does NOT endorse Chuckles next time around.

His cousin, Amy, however ... that's another story!

[Freddie Stubbs]

88. This was Howard Dean's famous "50 State Strategy"

Run candidates in traditionally GOP states/districts who are closer ideologically to those voters than most Democrats in Congress.

[turbinetree]

91. And this is why I have not sent one dime...............(get all the notices ) ...........

to the DNC, because of these DINO's running the party----------------------
I have given my all my donations of hard earned money to Sanders---------------

I figure why have my moola, go to a bunch of disingenuous self serving individuals that play me and talk out of both sides of there corporate mouths and nothing more than DINO's--------------look at the debates ISSUE



Honk-----------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

[Paladin]

106. K&R.