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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsStipe to Trump and Cruz: "Go fuck yourselves, you sad, attention grabbing, power-hungry little men"
That's a quote.
Go get em, Michael.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rem-michael-stipe-trump-cruz
R.E.M. frontman Michael Stipe blasted Trump and Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) for using the song at their rally in a Wednesday email to The Daily Beast.
"Go fuck yourselves, the lot of youyou sad, attention-grabbing, power-hungry little men," Stipe told The Daily Beast, referring to Trump and Cruz. "Do not use our music or my voice for your moronic charade of a campaign."
The band also noted that the two Republican presidential candidates did not have permission to use the song in a Wednesday post in the R.E.M. Facebook page.
"While we do not authorize or condone the use of our music at this political event, and do ask that these candidates cease and desist from doing so, let us remember that there are things of greater importance at stake here," the statement reads. "The media and the American voter should focus on the bigger picture, and not allow grandstanding politicians to distract us from the pressing issues of the day and of the current Presidential campaign."
randys1
(16,286 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)What kind of an idiot would think to play that at a right-wing rally and not expect to get crap from the band for it? But then Trump and particularly Cruz don't strike me as the brightest bulbs in the chandelier.
Sort of typical, too. Chris Christie and Reagan both used Springsteen, and Bruce made it perfectly plain he didn't appreciate it.
Says something, though, that there's not a line out the door of talented right-wing musicians to use. No one seems to want to play "Cat Scratch Fever" at their rallies.
randys1
(16,286 posts)And yes, how funny is it ole Teddy boy cant GIVE away his music
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)"Born in the USA". They just heard the chorus; "America! Fuck yeah!"
Uh, yeah, the song is a depressing chronicle of the life of a Vietnam vet, It's not some jingoistic anthem. Nimrods.
corkhead
(6,119 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Springsteen's still got it, too.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)rusty quoin
(6,133 posts)Years ago I commented on a Chicago channel on YouTube that Dialogue message was one of the left. You wouldn't believe the number of thumbs down and negative comments I received. I guess they thought the guy who didn't give a crap about hunger and was fine with war was right:
"Dialogue Part I"
Terry
Are you optimistic
'bout the way things are going?
Peter
No, I nver ever think of it at all
Terry
Don't you ever worry
When you see what's going down?
Peter
No, I try to mind my business,
that is, no business at all
Terry
When it's time to function
as a feeling human being, will your
Bachelor of Arts help you get by?
Peter
I hope to study further,
a few more years or so. I also hope
to keep a steady high
Terry
Will you try to change
things, use the power that you have,
the power of a million new ideas?
Peter
What is this power you
speak of and this need for things to
change? I always thought
that everything was fine
Terry
Don't you feel repression just
closing in around?
Peter
No, the campus here is very, very free
Terry
Does it make you angry
the way war is dragging on?
Peter
Well, I hope the President
knows what he's into, I don't know
Terry
Don't you ever see the starvation
in the city where you live, all the
needless hunger all the
needless pain?
Peter
I haven't been there lately,
the country is so fine, but my
neighbors don't seem hungry 'cause
they haven't got the time
Terry
Thank you for the talk,
you know you really eased my mind
I was troubled by the shapes
of things to come.
Peter
Well, if you had my
outlook your feelings would be
numb, you'd always think
that everything was fine
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Does Captain Poopypants even have any other songs?
randys1
(16,286 posts)I dont want to be in the same country as these people, i really dont
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Good old 60s "freedom rock" type stuff.
He's apparently totally clueless that it was supposed to be about drugs, though. Dipshit. "huh? wha?"
randys1
(16,286 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)at least until Ann and Nancy got wind of it, went twenty kinds of ballistic and unleashed their lawyers with a C&D order and the threat of a significant lawsuit.
They never learn.
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lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)for that tune being ruined. I can't listen to it any more. Makes me want to wretch.
GReedDiamond
(5,312 posts)...never use "Dead Babies," "Billion Dollar Babies," "Welcome to My Nightmare," or "The Ballad of Dwight Fry" by Alice Cooper.
It seems to me that these tunes would fit a range of typical repuke themes, and, as we all know, Alice is a Repug.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)It's the end of the world as we know it,
It's the end of the world as we know it,
And I feel fine...
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)The most simplistic interpretation is, of course, "hooray, everythings going to shit, and I don't care"
and yeah, that's one way to see it--- but I don't think that's fundamentally what the song is about.
(not terribly relevant to what I'm saying, here, but a classic nonetheless)
ryan_cats
(2,061 posts)I stand in awe. Who did the editing? They're a genius!
It's also the clearest I've ever heard Bush enunciate.
Thank you for that.
Person 2713
(3,263 posts)Team by team, reporters baffled, trumped, tethered, cropped
Look at that low plane, fine, then
Uh-oh, overflow, population, common group
But it'll do, save yourself, serve yourself
World serves its own needs, listen to your heart bleed
Tell me with the Rapture and the reverent in the right, right
You vitriolic, patriotic, slam fight, bright light
Feeling pretty psyched
It's the end of the world......
Selfishness ,nationalism ,fundies, government for hire, news media frenzy are themes in the lyrics IMO so wtf?
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)The staccato way they're spit out makes them well nigh impossible to understand.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)They've done it more than once. This was one of Stipe's many requiems of the Dubya era:
Person 2713
(3,263 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I think the jelly beans thing is intended as a reference to Reagan, but also I seem to remember a story Stipe telling that he'd had a dream where he was at a party and everyone at the party had a name that started with "L.B." ... Lenny Bruce, Lester Bangs, etc. and there were jelly beans there.
(from sheet music corrected by Michael Stipe)
That's great, it starts with an earthquake, birds and
snakes, an aeroplane and Lenny Bruce is not afraid.
Eye of a hurricane, listen to yourself churn - world
serves its own needs, dummy serve your own needs. Feed
it off an aux speak, grunt, no, strength, Ladder
start to clatter with fear fight down height. Wire
in a fire, representing seven games, a government
for hire and a combat site. Left of west and coming in
a hurry with the furies breathing down your neck. Team
by team reporters baffled, trumped, tethered cropped.
Look at that low playing! Fine, then. Uh oh,
overflow, population, common food, but it'll do. Save
yourself, serve yourself. World serves its own needs,
listen to your heart bleed dummy with the rapture and
the revered and the right, right. You vitriolic,
patriotic, slam, fight, bright light, feeling pretty
psyched.
It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.
Six o'clock - TV hour. Don't get caught in foreign
towers. Slash and burn, return, listen to yourself
churn. Locking in, uniforming, book burning, blood
letting. Every motive escalate. Automotive incinerate.
Light a candle, light a votive. Step down, step down.
Watch your heel crush, crushed, uh-oh, this means no
fear cavalier. Renegade steer clear! A tournament,
tournament, a tournament of lies. Offer me solutions,
offer me alternatives and I decline.
It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.
The other night I dreamt of knives, continental
drift divide. Mountains sit in a line, Leonard
Bernstein. Leonid Brezhnev, Lenny Bruce and Lester
Bangs. Birthday party, cheesecake, jelly bean, boom! You
symbiotic, patriotic, slam book neck, right? Right.
It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel
fine...fine...
(It's time I had some time alone)
Person 2713
(3,263 posts)Last edited Thu Sep 10, 2015, 07:37 PM - Edit history (1)
& the reverent right in the lyrics includes those creepies too in the chaos . I forgot book burning was in the lyrics .....anyway each to his own reflection on it but REM teapartiersnotevenclose
At the time of its release, R.E.M. hailed Document as a major departure, being more aggressive (previously releases had depended more on setting a mood) and "modern sounding," with clearer vocals. The intention of Document was to produce a "snapshot of what we see is going on around us
a picture of a chaotic time." The band was particularly affected by Ronald Reagan's turbulent second term and especially U.S. interference in central America (as is evidenced in the song "Welcome to the Occupation" .2
Lyrics
One could write a PhD dissertation on the lyrics for "It's the End of the World As We Know It". The words are spit out quickly and rhythmically, with no narrative connection between phrases. The result is a chaotic sequence of images and ideas that demonstrate in sound and content the chaos of the times, a "brilliant Gatling-gun litany of cheap clichés and TV newspeak". 3
As such, any detailed analysis of the lyrics is probably doomed to fail, and certainly beyond the scope of this paper. But there are some recognizable themes which seem to run through the song:
The End of the World - Images from the end of the world: earthquakes, birds, snakes, hurricanes, fires, population overflow, burning automobiles, geographical motion (continental drift, mountain ranges lining up)
Rampant Nationalism - vitriolic, patriotic, lock him in a uniform, book burning, blood letting, symbiotic, patriotic
Governments run amuck - government for hire, combat site, don't get caught in a foreign tower, slash and burn
News Media - Teams of reporters, six o'clock TV hour, a tournament of lies
Personal Selfishness - world serves its own needs, save yourself, serve yourself
Cultural Icons - Lenny Bruce, Lester Bangs, Leonard Bernstein, Leonid Breshnev (according to an anecdote on the internet, these names come from a dream of Michael Stipe, in which he attended a party where everyone had the initials 'L.B.') 4
Stardust
(3,894 posts)A close friend of mine was stationed in Korea at a very young age and he says this song was their anthem. They knew all the words. I wonder if they really understood the intent.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)them.
I remember reading some sort of inane piece by a right-winger many years ago, after the obligatory pissing and moaning about 'why can't they leave politics out of it', basically saying how R.E.M. was horribly overrated, getting into "Fall On Me" and saying how they heard it as this profound and deep song and then they found out it was "about acid rain" and that meant that now it was just a lame song about acid rain, or something.
Which is a stupid way to approach music, or poetry, or art, or anything. One of the genuises of creating good art, good music, is to do it in such a way as to leave it open enough for the audience to interpret. To evoke, rather than invoke. To shed light, not to master.
Easier said than done.
The Grateful Dead have a song called "Bertha"- it's "about" a fan.. not a fan like a zealous listener of their music, rather a fan like the thing that blows wind around the room. This fan was broken and used to translocate across the floor as it would run.
So is that all "Bertha" is about, to my subjective interpretation? Hell, no.
Fall On Me is a great song, and just because talking about Acid Rain is in there and was probably the genesis of the writing of the song, doesn't mean that's all it's about either.
Sorry to digress, not directed at you btw.
ohheckyeah
(9,314 posts)need to start suing some people.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)if they keep using it, maybe there is grounds for a lawsuit, but I get the feeling they can get away with it once and play dumb.
ohheckyeah
(9,314 posts)They need to be hurt in the pocketbook.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Copyright law being what it is, musicians can be ripped off once for free by opportunistic politicians.
I would like to see some enterprising reporter ask T Rump why, since he's worth TEN BILLION DOLLARS, he has to steal other people's work. Why can't T Rump pay for what he wants?
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I didn't think he could be any worse, but now I think I've figured out a way that he could.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)But if T Rump wants to use someone's song, why can't he pay them for its use? Since he's worth TEN BILLION DOLLARS and everything.
Stardust
(3,894 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Now I need to go change my drawers.
Stardust
(3,894 posts)ohheckyeah
(9,314 posts)IMO. They know it's wrong and as you said, Trump can afford it.
I was told The Eagles have a fee of $750,000 for use of their material and nobody gets freebies. Don't know if it's true or not.
Stardust
(3,894 posts)the risk to them if they steal someone's work. I have no doubt that Don Henley et al would go after anyone who did it, and I think Trump has messed with the wrong artist this time, i.e. Stipe.
ohheckyeah
(9,314 posts)you're right about Stipe.
NuttyFluffers
(6,811 posts)very much in line with the authoritarian modus operandi of do as you like, don't ask permission. and since it pisses off the right media people to gain them RW-base cred, who cares about the pushback? take advantage of a loophole, push bumpersticker logic, flippin' it to the "left wing media," free media from rebound controversy, and all without paying a cent.
win, win, win, win, and win. c&b orders are cute wallpaper in comparison to how much win they just scored.
yes, they're assholes, and yes they don't "get it." but they know they are assholes and at peace with that, and revel in not "getting it" the lib-author's way. and that's how they and their base like it.
without hitting their pocketbook it is all a pro forma act to piss on appropriate shoes while picking up a red meat rallying cry. power walks, bullshit walks, so how are artists going to preemptively stop this bullshit? because until then...
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)to at least some medium-sized internet media outlets.
So I guess there's that.
Skittles
(153,160 posts)YES INDEED
Dorian Gray
(13,493 posts)Stipe is awesome.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Enough of this wishy-washy beating around the bush.