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Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 04:48 PM Sep 2015

Stipe to Trump and Cruz: "Go fuck yourselves, you sad, attention grabbing, power-hungry little men"

That's a quote.

Go get em, Michael.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rem-michael-stipe-trump-cruz


The lead singer of R.E.M. was not pleased that Donald Trump walked onto the stage at his Wednesday rally against the Iran deal to the band's song, "It's the End of the World as We Know It (And I Feel Fine)."
R.E.M. frontman Michael Stipe blasted Trump and Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) for using the song at their rally in a Wednesday email to The Daily Beast.
"Go fuck yourselves, the lot of you—you sad, attention-grabbing, power-hungry little men," Stipe told The Daily Beast, referring to Trump and Cruz. "Do not use our music or my voice for your moronic charade of a campaign."

The band also noted that the two Republican presidential candidates did not have permission to use the song in a Wednesday post in the R.E.M. Facebook page.

"While we do not authorize or condone the use of our music at this political event, and do ask that these candidates cease and desist from doing so, let us remember that there are things of greater importance at stake here," the statement reads. "The media and the American voter should focus on the bigger picture, and not allow grandstanding politicians to distract us from the pressing issues of the day and of the current Presidential campaign."



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Stipe to Trump and Cruz: "Go fuck yourselves, you sad, attention grabbing, power-hungry little men" (Original Post) Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 OP
Have always been a huge fan, now even bigger fan. Beautifully stated randys1 Sep 2015 #1
Their politics have always been liberal, they were up front about that 30 years ago. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #2
They dont know, they are cons. They know nothing about culture, music, nothing. randys1 Sep 2015 #3
seriously. I always laughed about how Reagan's people obviously didn't listen to the words to Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #4
apparently they must understand lyrics about as well as they do irony, hypocrisy, humor and sarcasm. corkhead Sep 2015 #5
Thanks for a happy post. I'm afraid I lost my sense of humor over "Born in the USA"'s degradation. Hortensis Sep 2015 #13
I've had enough time to get over it, I guess. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #19
Yes. He is part of our history now. I wonder how much his influence has held back the darkness. Hortensis Sep 2015 #41
Chicago's "Dialogue" left wing message rusty quoin Sep 2015 #28
Fine. You take the stage to "Cat Scratch Fever". KamaAina Sep 2015 #8
Cant remember, he might. I think he is a pretty good guitar player, but so what. randys1 Sep 2015 #10
I actually sort of like that tune he did with the Amboy Dukes. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #26
I sort of remember that...Amboy Dukes, not Southside Johnny and The Asbury Jukes randys1 Sep 2015 #27
Don't forget that in '08 Princess Sparklemoose used Heart's Barracuda, hifiguy Sep 2015 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #25
Wil duh beast really ruinated that tune. If I were Ann or Nancy, I would have asked for some dough lonestarnot Sep 2015 #34
I'm always surprised that the Repubs... GReedDiamond Sep 2015 #35
It's the end of the world as we know it, KamaAina Sep 2015 #6
It's a GREAT song, and it works on a whole host of levels. Deep, metaphysical, zen stuff in there. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #9
I stand in awe ryan_cats Sep 2015 #46
Did these goons even listen to the lyrics ??? Person 2713 Sep 2015 #7
Has anyone ever actually listened to those lyrics??? KamaAina Sep 2015 #11
R.E.M. made it pretty clear how they feel about the GOP in "Ignoreland" Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #12
True they are clueless on the band politics too. EOTW is from Reagan era I'm looking for a reference Person 2713 Sep 2015 #16
It was on the album "Document", if that's what you're asking. released in 1987. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #17
This person doesn't mention fundies like I mentioned above but to me including rapture Person 2713 Sep 2015 #29
I've never been able to keep up with the words and seeing them in print is pretty mind blowing. Stardust Sep 2015 #30
A lot of their songs work on multiple levels, lyrically, which is one thing I've always liked about Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #40
These musicians ohheckyeah Sep 2015 #15
probably this qualifies as a "cease and desist" Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #18
That's a shame. ohheckyeah Sep 2015 #20
Politicians get a one-time freebie gratuitous Sep 2015 #21
you're not suggesting he actually sing something himself, are you? Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #22
Eugh, no gratuitous Sep 2015 #23
Scary, but it can be much...much...worse. Be forewarned, this is ugly: Stardust Sep 2015 #31
I could have very happily lived my entire life having never, ever, ever, ever, ever seen that. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #39
Sorry...misery loves company! Stardust Sep 2015 #44
That's just wrong ohheckyeah Sep 2015 #24
I imagine all the GOPers have their team of attorneys who specialize in copyright law weighing Stardust Sep 2015 #32
I hope ohheckyeah Sep 2015 #33
it's a two-fer for them. one-time use plus pissed off "hollyweird" NuttyFluffers Sep 2015 #36
they're not gonna stop it, but it does give them the opportunity to say "fuck off" Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #38
LOVE YOU MICHAEL Skittles Sep 2015 #37
Ha ha ha ha Dorian Gray Sep 2015 #42
He should sue them! B Calm Sep 2015 #43
I wish he would just come out and say what he really thinks. Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #45

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
2. Their politics have always been liberal, they were up front about that 30 years ago.
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 04:59 PM
Sep 2015

What kind of an idiot would think to play that at a right-wing rally and not expect to get crap from the band for it? But then Trump and particularly Cruz don't strike me as the brightest bulbs in the chandelier.

Sort of typical, too. Chris Christie and Reagan both used Springsteen, and Bruce made it perfectly plain he didn't appreciate it.

Says something, though, that there's not a line out the door of talented right-wing musicians to use. No one seems to want to play "Cat Scratch Fever" at their rallies.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
3. They dont know, they are cons. They know nothing about culture, music, nothing.
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 05:07 PM
Sep 2015

And yes, how funny is it ole Teddy boy cant GIVE away his music

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
4. seriously. I always laughed about how Reagan's people obviously didn't listen to the words to
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 05:13 PM
Sep 2015

"Born in the USA". They just heard the chorus; "America! Fuck yeah!"

Uh, yeah, the song is a depressing chronicle of the life of a Vietnam vet, It's not some jingoistic anthem. Nimrods.

 

rusty quoin

(6,133 posts)
28. Chicago's "Dialogue" left wing message
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 06:19 PM
Sep 2015

Years ago I commented on a Chicago channel on YouTube that Dialogue message was one of the left. You wouldn't believe the number of thumbs down and negative comments I received. I guess they thought the guy who didn't give a crap about hunger and was fine with war was right:

"Dialogue Part I"

Terry
Are you optimistic
'bout the way things are going?
Peter
No, I nver ever think of it at all
Terry
Don't you ever worry
When you see what's going down?
Peter
No, I try to mind my business,
that is, no business at all
Terry
When it's time to function
as a feeling human being, will your
Bachelor of Arts help you get by?
Peter
I hope to study further,
a few more years or so. I also hope
to keep a steady high
Terry
Will you try to change
things, use the power that you have,
the power of a million new ideas?
Peter
What is this power you
speak of and this need for things to
change? I always thought
that everything was fine
Terry
Don't you feel repression just
closing in around?
Peter
No, the campus here is very, very free
Terry
Does it make you angry
the way war is dragging on?
Peter
Well, I hope the President
knows what he's into, I don't know
Terry
Don't you ever see the starvation
in the city where you live, all the
needless hunger all the
needless pain?
Peter
I haven't been there lately,
the country is so fine, but my
neighbors don't seem hungry 'cause
they haven't got the time
Terry
Thank you for the talk,
you know you really eased my mind
I was troubled by the shapes
of things to come.
Peter
Well, if you had my
outlook your feelings would be
numb, you'd always think
that everything was fine

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
8. Fine. You take the stage to "Cat Scratch Fever".
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 05:23 PM
Sep 2015

Does Captain Poopypants even have any other songs?

randys1

(16,286 posts)
10. Cant remember, he might. I think he is a pretty good guitar player, but so what.
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 05:25 PM
Sep 2015

I dont want to be in the same country as these people, i really dont

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
26. I actually sort of like that tune he did with the Amboy Dukes.
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 06:00 PM
Sep 2015

Good old 60s "freedom rock" type stuff.



He's apparently totally clueless that it was supposed to be about drugs, though. Dipshit. "huh? wha?"
 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
14. Don't forget that in '08 Princess Sparklemoose used Heart's Barracuda,
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 05:35 PM
Sep 2015

at least until Ann and Nancy got wind of it, went twenty kinds of ballistic and unleashed their lawyers with a C&D order and the threat of a significant lawsuit.

They never learn.

Response to hifiguy (Reply #14)

 

lonestarnot

(77,097 posts)
34. Wil duh beast really ruinated that tune. If I were Ann or Nancy, I would have asked for some dough
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 12:06 AM
Sep 2015

for that tune being ruined. I can't listen to it any more. Makes me want to wretch.

GReedDiamond

(5,312 posts)
35. I'm always surprised that the Repubs...
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 12:19 AM
Sep 2015

...never use "Dead Babies," "Billion Dollar Babies," "Welcome to My Nightmare," or "The Ballad of Dwight Fry" by Alice Cooper.

It seems to me that these tunes would fit a range of typical repuke themes, and, as we all know, Alice is a Repug.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
6. It's the end of the world as we know it,
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 05:22 PM
Sep 2015

It's the end of the world as we know it,
It's the end of the world as we know it,
And I feel fine...

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
9. It's a GREAT song, and it works on a whole host of levels. Deep, metaphysical, zen stuff in there.
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 05:25 PM
Sep 2015

The most simplistic interpretation is, of course, "hooray, everythings going to shit, and I don't care"

and yeah, that's one way to see it--- but I don't think that's fundamentally what the song is about.



(not terribly relevant to what I'm saying, here, but a classic nonetheless)

ryan_cats

(2,061 posts)
46. I stand in awe
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 02:11 PM
Sep 2015

I stand in awe. Who did the editing? They're a genius!

It's also the clearest I've ever heard Bush enunciate.

Thank you for that.

Person 2713

(3,263 posts)
7. Did these goons even listen to the lyrics ???
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 05:23 PM
Sep 2015

Team by team, reporters baffled, trumped, tethered, cropped
Look at that low plane, fine, then
Uh-oh, overflow, population, common group
But it'll do, save yourself, serve yourself
World serves its own needs, listen to your heart bleed
Tell me with the Rapture and the reverent in the right, right
You vitriolic, patriotic, slam fight, bright light
Feeling pretty psyched

It's the end of the world......


Selfishness ,nationalism ,fundies, government for hire, news media frenzy are themes in the lyrics IMO so wtf?

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
11. Has anyone ever actually listened to those lyrics???
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 05:25 PM
Sep 2015

The staccato way they're spit out makes them well nigh impossible to understand.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
12. R.E.M. made it pretty clear how they feel about the GOP in "Ignoreland"
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 05:30 PM
Sep 2015


They've done it more than once. This was one of Stipe's many requiems of the Dubya era:

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
17. It was on the album "Document", if that's what you're asking. released in 1987.
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 05:46 PM
Sep 2015
http://www.retroweb.com/rem/lyrics/song_EndOfTheWorld.html

I think the jelly beans thing is intended as a reference to Reagan, but also I seem to remember a story Stipe telling that he'd had a dream where he was at a party and everyone at the party had a name that started with "L.B." ... Lenny Bruce, Lester Bangs, etc. and there were jelly beans there.

From: Document


(from sheet music corrected by Michael Stipe)

That's great, it starts with an earthquake, birds and
snakes, an aeroplane and Lenny Bruce is not afraid.
Eye of a hurricane, listen to yourself churn - world
serves its own needs, dummy serve your own needs. Feed
it off an aux speak, grunt, no, strength, Ladder
start to clatter with fear fight down height. Wire
in a fire, representing seven games, a government
for hire and a combat site. Left of west and coming in
a hurry with the furies breathing down your neck. Team
by team reporters baffled, trumped, tethered cropped.
Look at that low playing! Fine, then. Uh oh,
overflow, population, common food, but it'll do. Save
yourself, serve yourself. World serves its own needs,
listen to your heart bleed dummy with the rapture and
the revered and the right, right. You vitriolic,
patriotic, slam, fight, bright light, feeling pretty
psyched.

It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.

Six o'clock - TV hour. Don't get caught in foreign
towers. Slash and burn, return, listen to yourself
churn. Locking in, uniforming, book burning, blood
letting. Every motive escalate. Automotive incinerate.
Light a candle, light a votive. Step down, step down.
Watch your heel crush, crushed, uh-oh, this means no
fear cavalier. Renegade steer clear! A tournament,
tournament, a tournament of lies. Offer me solutions,
offer me alternatives and I decline.

It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.

The other night I dreamt of knives, continental
drift divide. Mountains sit in a line, Leonard
Bernstein. Leonid Brezhnev, Lenny Bruce and Lester
Bangs. Birthday party, cheesecake, jelly bean, boom! You
symbiotic, patriotic, slam book neck, right? Right.

It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it.
It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel
fine...fine...

(It's time I had some time alone)

Person 2713

(3,263 posts)
29. This person doesn't mention fundies like I mentioned above but to me including rapture
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 06:48 PM
Sep 2015

Last edited Thu Sep 10, 2015, 07:37 PM - Edit history (1)

& the reverent right in the lyrics includes those creepies too in the chaos . I forgot book burning was in the lyrics .....anyway each to his own reflection on it but REM teapartiersnotevenclose


At the time of its release, R.E.M. hailed Document as a major departure, being more aggressive (previously releases had depended more on setting a mood) and "modern sounding," with clearer vocals. The intention of Document was to produce a "snapshot of what we see is going on around us… a picture of a chaotic time." The band was particularly affected by Ronald Reagan's turbulent second term and especially U.S. interference in central America (as is evidenced in the song "Welcome to the Occupation&quot .2
Lyrics

One could write a PhD dissertation on the lyrics for "It's the End of the World As We Know It". The words are spit out quickly and rhythmically, with no narrative connection between phrases. The result is a chaotic sequence of images and ideas that demonstrate in sound and content the chaos of the times, a "brilliant Gatling-gun litany of cheap clichés and TV newspeak". 3
As such, any detailed analysis of the lyrics is probably doomed to fail, and certainly beyond the scope of this paper. But there are some recognizable themes which seem to run through the song:
The End of the World - Images from the end of the world: earthquakes, birds, snakes, hurricanes, fires, population overflow, burning automobiles, geographical motion (continental drift, mountain ranges lining up)
Rampant Nationalism - vitriolic, patriotic, lock him in a uniform, book burning, blood letting, symbiotic, patriotic
Governments run amuck - government for hire, combat site, don't get caught in a foreign tower, slash and burn
News Media - Teams of reporters, six o'clock TV hour, a tournament of lies
Personal Selfishness - world serves its own needs, save yourself, serve yourself
Cultural Icons - Lenny Bruce, Lester Bangs, Leonard Bernstein, Leonid Breshnev (according to an anecdote on the internet, these names come from a dream of Michael Stipe, in which he attended a party where everyone had the initials 'L.B.') 4

Stardust

(3,894 posts)
30. I've never been able to keep up with the words and seeing them in print is pretty mind blowing.
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 11:44 PM
Sep 2015

A close friend of mine was stationed in Korea at a very young age and he says this song was their anthem. They knew all the words. I wonder if they really understood the intent.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
40. A lot of their songs work on multiple levels, lyrically, which is one thing I've always liked about
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 04:38 AM
Sep 2015

them.

I remember reading some sort of inane piece by a right-winger many years ago, after the obligatory pissing and moaning about 'why can't they leave politics out of it', basically saying how R.E.M. was horribly overrated, getting into "Fall On Me" and saying how they heard it as this profound and deep song and then they found out it was "about acid rain" and that meant that now it was just a lame song about acid rain, or something.

Which is a stupid way to approach music, or poetry, or art, or anything. One of the genuises of creating good art, good music, is to do it in such a way as to leave it open enough for the audience to interpret. To evoke, rather than invoke. To shed light, not to master.

Easier said than done.

The Grateful Dead have a song called "Bertha"- it's "about" a fan.. not a fan like a zealous listener of their music, rather a fan like the thing that blows wind around the room. This fan was broken and used to translocate across the floor as it would run.

So is that all "Bertha" is about, to my subjective interpretation? Hell, no.

Fall On Me is a great song, and just because talking about Acid Rain is in there and was probably the genesis of the writing of the song, doesn't mean that's all it's about either.



Sorry to digress, not directed at you btw.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
18. probably this qualifies as a "cease and desist"
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 05:47 PM
Sep 2015

if they keep using it, maybe there is grounds for a lawsuit, but I get the feeling they can get away with it once and play dumb.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
21. Politicians get a one-time freebie
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 05:51 PM
Sep 2015

Copyright law being what it is, musicians can be ripped off once for free by opportunistic politicians.

I would like to see some enterprising reporter ask T Rump why, since he's worth TEN BILLION DOLLARS, he has to steal other people's work. Why can't T Rump pay for what he wants?

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
22. you're not suggesting he actually sing something himself, are you?
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 05:53 PM
Sep 2015

I didn't think he could be any worse, but now I think I've figured out a way that he could.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
23. Eugh, no
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 05:55 PM
Sep 2015

But if T Rump wants to use someone's song, why can't he pay them for its use? Since he's worth TEN BILLION DOLLARS and everything.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
39. I could have very happily lived my entire life having never, ever, ever, ever, ever seen that.
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 03:19 AM
Sep 2015

Now I need to go change my drawers.

ohheckyeah

(9,314 posts)
24. That's just wrong
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 05:56 PM
Sep 2015

IMO. They know it's wrong and as you said, Trump can afford it.


I was told The Eagles have a fee of $750,000 for use of their material and nobody gets freebies. Don't know if it's true or not.

Stardust

(3,894 posts)
32. I imagine all the GOPers have their team of attorneys who specialize in copyright law weighing
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 11:56 PM
Sep 2015

the risk to them if they steal someone's work. I have no doubt that Don Henley et al would go after anyone who did it, and I think Trump has messed with the wrong artist this time, i.e. Stipe.

NuttyFluffers

(6,811 posts)
36. it's a two-fer for them. one-time use plus pissed off "hollyweird"
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 02:42 AM
Sep 2015

very much in line with the authoritarian modus operandi of do as you like, don't ask permission. and since it pisses off the right media people to gain them RW-base cred, who cares about the pushback? take advantage of a loophole, push bumpersticker logic, flippin' it to the "left wing media," free media from rebound controversy, and all without paying a cent.

win, win, win, win, and win. c&b orders are cute wallpaper in comparison to how much win they just scored.

yes, they're assholes, and yes they don't "get it." but they know they are assholes and at peace with that, and revel in not "getting it" the lib-author's way. and that's how they and their base like it.

without hitting their pocketbook it is all a pro forma act to piss on appropriate shoes while picking up a red meat rallying cry. power walks, bullshit walks, so how are artists going to preemptively stop this bullshit? because until then...

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
38. they're not gonna stop it, but it does give them the opportunity to say "fuck off"
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 03:17 AM
Sep 2015

to at least some medium-sized internet media outlets.

So I guess there's that.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
45. I wish he would just come out and say what he really thinks.
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 02:06 PM
Sep 2015

Enough of this wishy-washy beating around the bush.

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