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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAnyone want to give a hug to Bravenak? Who, by the way, still doesn't know who sent the hate mail.
Last edited Sat Sep 12, 2015, 11:39 PM - Edit history (9)
Here's mine.
P.S. She can't reply because she was suspended after getting four hides in one day. The hate-writer, who has mailed two letters to her home address, promised more hides if she keeps speaking out.
Whatever our individual disagreements, hopefully we can agree on this: let's show her we appreciate her caring voice.
Here is a link to the nasty letters that were mailed to her home:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/118724750
Here is an important post of Bravenak's, which she made in an attempt to explain her views to Bernie supporters. She is anything but a hater or a race-baiter. Or a "race nagger" -- which she has been called here, by the way.
I've excerpted a key paragraph:
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=488879
Suich
(10,642 posts)greatauntoftriplets
(175,735 posts)etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)femmocrat
(28,394 posts)ohheckyeah
(9,314 posts)applegrove
(118,656 posts)villager
(26,001 posts)Did I miss something here on the DU!?
Or are you saying hugs are still needed because it remains unknown who the "epistolary coward" is?
In any case, a hug to Bravenak!
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)Nobody does. But we know they were filled with hate.
villager
(26,001 posts)I wondered if your second query meant "Who Still Doesn't Know," as in, "has anybody here not heard yet who sent it?"
But that was clearly a mis-read.
More hugs all around!
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)like Squad Helps Dog Bite Victim and Red Tape Holds Up New Bridge.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/31/magazine/31FOB-onlanguage-t.html
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)I also don't know who sent the hate mail, so my first thought was "Did I miss something? Someone knows who sent it?"
villager
(26,001 posts)I thought maybe the hugs were even more needed because of who "the perp" turned out to be!
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)who sent that awful letter? I'm sure DUers would be willing to contribute to the cost. I think it is very important to know who did this, for her peace of mind mostly.
I know I would be willing to help withthat. PIs are much more likely to get the job done than law enforcement who probably wouldn't do a whole lot for something like this.
Anyhow, hugs to her and hope she and her family are doing well.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)the OP seems to be saying "I know who sent the letter, who here doesn't know?"
Hey, I am always out of the loop.
merrily
(45,251 posts)mercuryblues
(14,531 posts)Peacetrain
(22,876 posts)irisblue
(32,974 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)I consider her a Family Member, and would like to send her support and a hug.
I have invited Mr. Citizen over to my house for a little "talk" about stalking, manners and democracy.
I posted to another thread, and could NOT believe there were apologists for Mr Citizen who tried everything they could to minimize and discount the seriousness of stalking and unsolicited Hate Mail.
The comments minimizing the impact of unsolicited Hate Mail were in this thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027159236
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)and she should have all of our support.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)We have had some heated exchanges, and we still have many differences of opinion,
but I consider you FAMILY too.
Heated exchanges are part of family life, at least the way I was raised,
but if anyone ever threatened one of our family members, they had to deal with me and all my brothers.
I hope Mr Citizen is uncovered, and that there is some kind of Federal Violation he/she can be charged under.
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)of any policing priorities.
So I thought that at least we could let Bravenak know that we care.
Thanks for joining in.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Nicely done.
MADem
(135,425 posts)As well as a boatload of "Look over THERE" and "Don't blame anyone here."
Plenty of examples of that in this gem:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7159165
The 'hides' in that thread tell a sad tale as well.
Which is why I look at some of these sudden expressions of concern with a somewhat fatigued eye.
npk
(3,660 posts)I have not always seen eye to eye with her, and maybe that is my fault. I am sorry for the times I probably said shitty things to her. Can't take it back, but I do value her opinions and contributions. I hope she comes back soon.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)People need to take a page out of your book.
Melurkyoulongtime
(136 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)CTyankee
(63,912 posts)Let's shame the effer. I think s/he's on notice now and everyone is watching...nothing like a good public shaming if/when another zinger comes in on her posts...but I'm sure the coward is going back into the cave...
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)Glorfindel
(9,729 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)aikoaiko
(34,170 posts)I too have disagreed with her on issues, but sending hate-filled letters to home addresses is repulsive.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts):hug
MH1
(17,600 posts)immoderate
(20,885 posts)--imm
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)hfojvt
(37,573 posts)aspies are not all that comfortable with physical contact, and attractive women are not all that eager to give a hug to ken the monster, much less get one.
But I will knr a Bravenak appreciation thread.
BTW did you know that YT still does NOT have any videos of Ken the Monster?
Poor Ken, he just cannot get any love. He's gone and forgotten. In the words of EOR 'that's what would happen'.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Not diagnosed with anything, but definitely not a hugger.
I am capable of making an exception (I realize some people are not), and I would for bravenak.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)Once there was a mind reading robot who told her that some other scientist liked her, and when she found out he was lying to her to try to make her happy, she fried his brain with her hatred, and then said through clenched teeth at him - LIAR!!!
I am only self-diagnosed, and claim the mantle of aspie. It's a handy tool. Once a co-worker was chiding me for invading another co-worker's space. I sorta cut her off mid-lecture with (in good humor) "Leave me alone, I've got Asperger's" and immediately both of the women were sympathetic.
Plus now I get to tell everybody else they have "normal-social-interaction-privilege".
Mostly in the hopes that they will give me beer and travel money.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Obviously you know Asimov.
Cut to the chase - according to you, should I view you as friend or foe?
Seriously, my back is up. Have I reason?
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)In my own very odd way I said "I like your username".
Of course, I said the wrong thing.
Somehow.
That's what would happen. (in the words of EOR)
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)I appreciate that, but must admit to being a tad freaked out.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)I meant it to be positive, did not mean to disparage you or anyone.
As things currently stand, I would take it back if I could.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)by the rules of Calvinball (which has no rules)
you could always sing the "I am very sorry song".
Mork, on the other hand, used to make time run backwards.
But even that ability did not prevent him from the occasional "shazbot".
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)If you like my username and Mork, I guess I can deal with it.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)And I say "hi."
Edited to add that I would greatly appreciate it if you might explain the references to me. I am interested.
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)trueblue2007
(17,218 posts)GitRDun
(1,846 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Hope she will be back soon.
We did not always agree, but we always had good discussions.
I think I can speak for everyone. We miss her.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)and furthermore, a promise that I will not shut up about this until we hear that the police are involved. And to give anyone who tries to whitesplain this mess hell.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,620 posts)Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)I don't always agree with her, either, but as others have mentioned, she is family, and what the letter writer did is despicable. Besides that, she's Alaskan, and Alaskans have each other's backs.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Hugs from Soldotna
Turbineguy
(37,331 posts)B2G
(9,766 posts)Seems to me that should have been done days ago given what's transpired.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)I'm baffled, but no more than how perplexed much of DU has me for some time.
for you, Bravenak
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)suffragette
(12,232 posts)Coventina
(27,120 posts)Bullying is never OK.
NEVER!
gordianot
(15,238 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)denvine
(800 posts)PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Brought tears to my eyes and gratitude to my heart.
On edit - about the third guy:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Olympics_Black_Power_salute
Again on edit.
Those people in the photo are not "them"! They are US!
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)I post it in earnest solidarity.
From Wisconsin.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)I have a Wisconsin solidarity t-shirt, which I wear proudly.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Thanks, we sure felt the love during our uprising.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)donf
(87 posts)R B Garr
(16,954 posts)redwitch
(14,944 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)pnwmom
(108,978 posts)Since his aim was to get her to shut up.
And I doubt he'd love hearing how despicable (almost) everyone agrees he is.
Logical
(22,457 posts)pnwmom
(108,978 posts)You can see it right here.
Whatever people feel about Bernie and Hillary, they strongly believe that Bravenak has the right to express her opinions.
Logical
(22,457 posts)tblue
(16,350 posts)The writer was after this reaction exactly.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)I think that type person would feel very satisfied with all the accusations flying around on the du now.
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)I don't think there's any reason to look for anything beyond what he wrote. He's angry with her because her support for Sanders became less than full-throated, and she was criticizing some of his supporters about their approach to black people. And he wanted her to shut up.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Creative prophecy. I like to pretend I know the agenda's of other people too.
Logical
(22,457 posts)I had it happen to me too.
BumRushDaShow
(128,979 posts)Augiedog
(2,546 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...and I hope the perpetrator is identified and has to suffer at least some consequences. At the very least I hope they are publicly identified. There is really no excuse for what they did -- it was slimy and cowardly.
I also hope you are feeling safer now than when you first received these letters.
To the person who did this, whether a DU member or from some other online site: You, sir or madam, SUCK!
gollygee
(22,336 posts)logosoco
(3,208 posts)Tommy2Tone
(1,307 posts)MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)gwheezie
(3,580 posts)rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Now the owners of this site need to reconsider their system. 7.
KT2000
(20,577 posts)cal04
(41,505 posts)for starting this thread
I hope they find this person soon
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)NBachers
(17,110 posts)Bubzer
(4,211 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I think I missed a lot of this because my computer was down for a while, but I wish you the best!
fantase56
(444 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,362 posts)Thanks for the thread, pnwmom.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,693 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)out there and come back if you can. All voices are needed, even if there are those we might not agree with.
Roguevalley in Alaska
kaiden
(1,314 posts)BooScout
(10,406 posts)tishaLA
(14,176 posts)we miss you, especially in the AA group!
Ohio Dem
(4,357 posts)Maynar
(769 posts)Best wishes Bravenak. Please prevail.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Chellee
(2,097 posts)eridani
(51,907 posts)Starting to remind me of Gamergate.
dilby
(2,273 posts)I have a feeling the person should be easy to spot since the probably were flagging a lot of her posts.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)The people making money from this site have a responsibility. 7.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)The best. Thanks, Elad.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)I think the admins need to be a bit more hands on, imho. Elad has done a great job, thank you Elad.
2naSalit
(86,612 posts)and I do like your poetry!
Stay strong!!
csziggy
(34,136 posts)Lucky Luciano
(11,256 posts)...but that bastard that sent the letters should be imprisoned.
I have some hugs for her absolutely.
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)WIProgressive88
(314 posts)I'm much more of a reader than a poster here, but this whole incident has been incredibly sad. Hopefully the responsible party is eventually held responsible for his/her actions, and Bravenak, 1SBM, and others who have been unjustly suspended should be reinstated immediately.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)7.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)we can do it
(12,184 posts)TheJames
(120 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)have a record of who has been alerting on Bravenak's posts. Right?
If the same person has done it more than once, or even just once, I'd certainly be watching them.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)But she rocks, so
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)He's the same scumbag who was Breitbart's source for the "Shaun King is really white and NOT mixed race" bullshit story.
HE also posted on DailyKos.
He could well have a DU identity and could be the scumbag sending letters to bravenak.
GP6971
(31,158 posts)rurallib
(62,415 posts)shireen
(8,333 posts)The vile cowardly creep who did this to you should be charged with harrassment.
Take care ...
Johnny Noshoes
(1,977 posts)cry baby
(6,682 posts)Lithos
(26,403 posts)Someone give me the 30 second version?
I Can't excuse the hides as I have to assume DU is fair in this regards,
But, I can never condone hatemail... Many hugs to her. Screw whoever sent it.
L-
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Lithos
(26,403 posts)OMFG...
Ok, need some time to work thru the ramifications/implications here...
Whoever sent this is a coward.
L-
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Lithos
(26,403 posts)n/t
hang in there!
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)You are able to rec threads. I look forward to you recommending one of mine?
I don't participate in the DU jury as I too have been personally abused via the system. So I've opted out. I doubt I would have voted to hide your posts in any case, because I do like debating you.
I hope all is well with you and when you do get to post again, you give us hell!
Now, go rec my post in GD..P. Okay?
greytdemocrat
(3,299 posts)Why don't the Admins just cancel the lockout??
BobTheSubgenius
(11,563 posts)Bullies are so often cowards underneath it all, and this one seems to be more coward than bully. F'em!
Texasgal
(17,045 posts)I still believe that she was contacted through an asshole on DU. I know that many people do not believe this but I honestly do. DU has become a very angry and nasty place over the years unfortunately.
Hugs to Brave... I hope you are able to come back soon.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)pnwmom
(108,978 posts)appal_jack
(3,813 posts)Hides or whatever else, nothing Bravenak did warranted stalking & hate mail. Glad to have all the firebrands here at DU, whether I agree with you or not. But the threatening mail to her crossed a line, and should have no place in real dialog.
-app
ancianita
(36,055 posts)McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)Because we live in a country which stigmatizes and abuses members of minority groups for being minorities and women for being women and gays for being gay and disabled for being disabled. Every day. All the time. For two hundred years a bunch of folks who have not been oppressed have been promising to make it all better for us---like Santa Claus. Except Christmas comes only once a year. And we live with this shit every day.
There is a reason why social activism starts in the community. There is a reason it was important that Obama was a community organizer. We are not children. We do not need to be taken care of. We need to seize the tools to take care of ourselves.
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)JEB
(4,748 posts)icymist
(15,888 posts)lovemydog
(11,833 posts)Here's a hug for bravenak.
Here's a hug for you.
Here's a hug for all who read and appreciate the intelligence and wit and good nature of our friend bravenak.
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)And I love my dogs, too.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)You rock. And I love dog people!
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)daredtowork
(3,732 posts)btw, Bravenak was trying to help get a troll recognized by MIRT at the time she got piled on. I still can't believe no one could do anything about that such obvious Jury abuse.
Anyway, I appreciate Bravenak!
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)Tumbulu
(6,278 posts)Does anyone know how someone would find a poster's mailing address from DU?
This is too weird.
raven mad
(4,940 posts)I would like to have the guts she has.
Brave knows Alaska.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)To agree to hide a post. I don't think it is possible. And while I do understand how some black people feel about Obama, not all black people feel that way. I don't, for example. Having said that, the stalker is a coward, and I wish bravenak the best. No way do I believe the coward is a supporter.
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)So the odds are high that the letter came from a Bernie supporter, just as the letter said -- especially since the sender would have no way to predict that Bravenak would publicly post it. Why would he have bothered to disguise his real identity, when his aim was to make Bravenak shut up?
But I agree with you that I don't think Mr. Whomever conspired with several people to fix the jury process. He just wants to scare Bravenak.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)And since there are so many more Sanders supporters than anyone else, it's very easy for people known or believed to not be Sanders supporters to get hides. (Bravenak supported Sanders more than anyone else, and that's why I use "believed."
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)the way she thought he should with African Americans. And around the time she got hidden she was indicating that her position on him had softened. Her detractors were angry about that.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)Pushing the meme of Sanders not connecting with black people, but she seems to be the only sincere one in regard to having some support for Sanders. Which is why it is odd a Sanders' supporter would target her.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)And if it was a Sanders' supporter, why claim that given all the tensions here, specifically between some AA group members and a few Sanders' supporters? This seems like a really poor production of a Rovian dirty trick. I don't discount what bravenak experienced, however I question who is doing it.
yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)yesterday in fact!
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)tblue
(16,350 posts)Someone trying to start a race war or eff over Bernie Sanders. Think about it. I am convinced.
That said, I send all the hugs in the world to Bravenak. Bernie supporters can learn a lot by listening to what she says, regardless of who wrote that asinine letter that makes me want to stick my head out the window and scream.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Stalkers getting away with it......What an unmitigated crock of shizt.
spanone
(135,832 posts)90-percent
(6,829 posts)-jim
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)As long as she's getting lots of attention.
Dem_in_Nebr.
(301 posts)mia
(8,360 posts)marmar
(77,080 posts)lostnfound
(16,179 posts)It's very good advice.
I consider Obama an AMAZING president, easily the best in my lifetime. And an AMAZING human being. I understand criticism of him from the left because he doesn't do much to attack corporatism or wealth inequality, which the progressive left considers to be reaching a crucial tipping point, almost beyond a point of recovery. A lot of people have trouble holding two seemingly conflicting ideas in mind -- how to hold Obama in such high regard while still recognizing that it's way past time to focus on corporatism and wealth inequality -- but there's a time for everything, and the country might have gotten whiplash if we'd gone from Bush directly to someone like Bernie.
Hope Bravenak doesn't let one idiot (or a handful of idiots) interfere with her contributions here.
Gothmog
(145,238 posts)The Polack MSgt
(13,188 posts)Come back soon.
Sit down and have a
sunnystarr
(2,638 posts)I was really concerned about what happened to Bravenak. So I decided to see if it was easy to find out someone's address armed with only an online nickname. I googled the nick, found she has a website - 1st click. Once there I could view complete profile - 2nd click. At this page I could click on a link to her presence on another website - 3rd click
Now I hit pay dirt since this gave me a real name and a real location. With a simple search name in white pages and you get the address, phone number and map to the residence.
This is important because any of us are vulnerable. Make sure your FB is private and remove your location. If you have talent which is available on the net, make sure your online nickname for discussion boards is totally unrelated.
This is very scary because we can never be sure who else is online and we can't assume that everyone is balanced and sane. Not in today's world.
Try and find yourself and if you do it may be time to change your identity or remove any links to it.
Big hugs to Bravenak!
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)and my support, but then I was not sure if that would be appropriate since she doesn't know me. She may well just want to be left alone at this point. But dear Bravenak, if you read this, God bless you and your family.
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)May your hater receive his/her just desserts in full measure!
Sick person indeed!
hedgehog
(36,286 posts)nolabear
(41,963 posts)madokie
(51,076 posts)FuzzyRabbit
(1,967 posts)You can probably tell from the number of times I have posted on DU that I don't spend a lot of time here. I do check in almost every day because there are often nuggets of wisdom that catch my eye. One of them was the excerpt in pnwmom's post that needs to be read again by all of Sanders' supporters, because I think it is a key to Sander's winning the nomination. So here it is again:
Thank you a thousand times, Bravenak.
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)Stay Strong!
yardwork
(61,608 posts)I'm sorry this happened to you.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts).
barbtries
(28,794 posts)i hope that nasty person is caught.
City Lights
(25,171 posts)Hang in there and stay safe!
Vinca
(50,271 posts)Somehow I managed to miss this entire incident except for the after posts. What's most frightening, from my perspective, is that someone would have a DU member's home address. How did that happen? The person sounds like a jerk and should be totally ashamed of themselves. I hope Bravenak can file it under "a-hole" and put it out of her mind. It's bad enough anonymous posters go after people on the site, but sending an actual letter is creepy.
xmas74
(29,674 posts)Hope to hear from you soon. I'm always in and out of here.
After everything that has happened to you (I'm hoping you're reading this) I've decided to no longer ignore jury alerts. I'm now answering each and every one I get, if only to fight the alert stalkers and thwart their plans.
Everyone needs to sometimes learn to agree to disagree and not get so damned worked up that they stalk both here and irl.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)And I have no idea how someone can promise more hides.
But, hey, that's alright. I don't agree with people on a lot of issues and still get along fine with them.
Xyzse
(8,217 posts)*hug*
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Mr. or Ms. Letter writer, you are severely psychologically disturbed. This is a fact, not some silly opinion.
Seek professional help immediately from a qualified mental health professional. Taking a message board dispute to the real world is DISTURBED BEHAVIOR AND IDEATION. Sorry if the truth hurts, but that is the truth.
Please seek help. Thank you.