NO-ONE CAN SUBJUGATE ME! French Femen activists bare their breasts to the imams...

[Surya Gayatri]

Don't necessarily agree with the action, but LOVE the chutzpah and the righteous anger!



NO-ONE CAN SUBJUGATE ME!

"Dirty whores, kill them!"

The "two imams were talking about the issue of whether or not a man could/should beat his wife," when the two activists aged 25 and 31, mounted the stage, said Inna Shevchenko, spokesperson for Femen in Paris.

In Arabic and French, they shouted the same slogans painted on their breasts and backs: "No-one subjugates me, no-one owns me, I am my own prophet."

The two young women were of Algerian and Tunisian origin, said the spokeswoman for Femen. Immediately, shouts of "Dirty whores, kill them!" reverberated again and again around the hall and "fifteen men jumped on the stage and overpowered them", says Inna Shevchenko, who was grateful that the police intervened quickly to protect the women.

http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2015/09/13/01016-20150913ARTFIG00100-les-femen-s-immiscent-au-salon-de-la-femme-musulmane-a-pontoise.php

[ellenrr]

1. love it! nt

[Surya Gayatri]

2. Brave ladies to do this in a hall full of raving religious fanatics and misogynists!

[ProfessorGAC]

6. That's What I Thought, Surya

That took some guts.

[Surya Gayatri]

7. Fearless and fierce. LOVE THEM!

[Android3.14]

3. I do agree with the action

"two imams were talking about the issue of whether or not a man could/should beat his wife"

The lack of any progress in this religion is an albatross around the neck of the world.

[Surya Gayatri]

5. First and foremost, an albatross around the neck of Islam itself. Medieval ideas will not win out.

[navarth]

40. +1

[CanonRay]

105. Completely agree with both of you. nt

[Surya Gayatri]

8. When I say that I don't necessarily agree with the action, I just find it a shame

that women have to "git nekkid" to make their voices heard. But, guts? They got 'em!

[Android3.14]

24. It's all good.

Having to git nekkid to make folks pay attention is unfortunate. The only way to stand out seems to be to push the envelope of "acceptable" behavior.

[Surya Gayatri]

25. ^^^This!^^^

[Recursion]

46. The history of Femen is nothing short of appalling

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/the-man-who-made-femen-new-film-outs-victor-svyatski-as-the-mastermind-behind-the-protest-group-and-its-breastbaring-stunts-8797042.html

[polly7]

50. We get it!

These women - so weak and stupid they're willing to face serious injury, or even death - all to benefit a man.

[Recursion]

54. Well, I don't believe that, but Svyatski sure does (nt)

[Surya Gayatri]

68. Have you researched Femen's evolution beyond this article from 2013?

Are you informed on Femen's multiple iterations in other countries?

Didn't think so.

[smirkymonkey]

38. +1000

That's putting it nicely.

[get the red out]

79. So do I

I am sick of trying to hide my disdain for Islam. I don't hide it for our country's Christian fundies, nor do I have to.

[dorkzilla]

4. brave ladies!

Disgusting men! Can you imagine intelligent people discussing whether or not it's okay to beat a dog let alone another human. Then the reaction to breasts??

[Surya Gayatri]

12. Truly revolting. These would-be religious "leaders" are doing no favors to Islam or to religious

tolerance in France.

[Arugula Latte]

53. The very core/purpose of the three Abrahamic religions is control/repression of women.

[awoke_in_2003]

67. Islam is doing no favor for itself

This is Islam, and lipstick doesn't dress that pig up.

[riderinthestorm]

9. The 1st reaction of the crowd was to shout "kill them", then rush to attack them.

Thats seriously fucked up when thats your first reaction to these women and their protest.

And don't even get me started on the lecture topic!!! As if there's anything to "discuss" when the subject is beating your wife

[Surya Gayatri]

11. See my post just below...it gets even worse!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027168526#post10

Seriously f--ked up, like you say, riderinthestorm.

[Surya Gayatri]

10. Irony of ironies...I just discovered in re-reading the French article, that this

Muslim gathering was billed as the "Salon de la Femme Musulmane"!!! (Conference on the Muslim Woman.)

[trusty elf]

15. I hope you come back from the dark side one day....

[merrily]

17. Buh bye.

[yuiyoshida]

19. You make it sound like...

its a bad thing.

[Surya Gayatri]

20. Go back to your man-cave, sick misogynist troll.

[MellowDem]

14. That is real courage...

That is directly confronting bigotry in its own den.

[merrily]

18. Still here? Pity, that.

[trusty elf]

26. The profile says he was here since 2003.

A sleeper cell troll

[merrily]

28. Lot of that virus going around, though perhaps not so obvious as that one.

He, she or it was exceptionally odious.

Mercifully, I have not had breakfast yet.

[riderinthestorm]

21. Bullshit as the video makes clear. They're attacked by the crowd. They had no protection nt

[MellowDem]

22. Sounds like it was needed...

And that is quite brave, how many people will actually stand up to bigotry backed by religion? It's not easy. Quite a few progressives even aid and abet bigoted religious institutions, and I can see them wanting to downplay the bravery here as they quietly support bigotry through their own institution and want to think it's morally OK to do so.

[Surya Gayatri]

23. One just has to wonder about juror N° 7. LEAVE IT ALONE? What the hell?

There are some real sickos lurking in the shadows and dark places on this forum.

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[BlueJazz]

31. It could be somebody that wants the "Strange ones" on this forum to be exposed for what they are.

(No..it wasn't me) I very seldom hide posts but it's to expose the poster, not because I agree with what they say.

[Surya Gayatri]

32. Bizarre reaction to a flagrantly woman-hating post!

[BlueJazz]

33. What you say is true but if I and others don't know that someone is a jerk then I can't..

..hide them or have any idea who they are.
On the other hand you are the original poster so you have the last word.

[fasttense]

27. That's very brave of them

There is a very good chance those women could end up dead merely for being there in average street clothes, let alone without shirts.

May we all be as brave.

[Surya Gayatri]

30. They may need police protection from now on. Their faces have been plastered all over

the media, and there are a LOT of woman-haters here in France.

These women deserve a medal!

[get the red out]

80. Very true!

They are certainly more courageous than the monsters who hate them.

[dembotoz]

29. More guts than I have

[Nuclear Unicorn]

34. If the incidents involving cartoons are any indication they may still be in danger.

[MannyGoldstein]

35. How can *I* get that brave?

Awesome!

[Recursion]

41. Find a misogynistic svengali to pay you

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/the-man-who-made-femen-new-film-outs-victor-svyatski-as-the-mastermind-behind-the-protest-group-and-its-breastbaring-stunts-8797042.html

[Zorra]

36. Recommend. "No one can subjugate me." nt

[stevenleser]

37. K&R. I stand with Femen. nt

[Recursion]

39. Is Svyatski still "managing" Femen?

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/the-man-who-made-femen-new-film-outs-victor-svyatski-as-the-mastermind-behind-the-protest-group-and-its-breastbaring-stunts-8797042.html

[riderinthestorm]

43. This was a brave protest despite your attempt to delegetimize it

Whoever these women are or what they do for a living, they walked into a conference full of misogynists and protested for women's rights.

Did you watch the video? One guy even starts kicking the one woman as she's down.

They precisely exposed the female hating nature of the event by protesting with their female selves in their most elemental form while demanding equality.

The breathtaking part is they get beat at a conference discussing wife beating. I think its very powerful stuff.

[Recursion]

45. So, is that a "yes"? (nt)

[riderinthestorm]

48. Thats an I dont give a fuck. This protest was terrific and I salute them nt

[polly7]

49. Do you REALLY believe women like these are so weak they can't possibly

be protesting in a way they themselves choose to?

That's so insulting, this is possible death for them. These women are amongst the bravest of the brave, if you don't like seeing them, turn your head.

[Recursion]

57. No, Svyatski does

For years I resisted the idea that Femen had a male Svengali behind them until the evidence was overwhelming.

[polly7]

59. Oh whatever. Your opinion of these women says so much more than you realize. nt.

[riderinthestorm]

60. That was over 2 yrs ago in Ukraine

Last edited Mon Sep 14, 2015, 02:24 PM - Edit history (1)

He's not even associated with this anymore which you'd know if you spent even a minute researching it instead of shitting all over these two women and their protest.

Even the Femen documentary filmmaker states Svyatski's role was grossly overstated by the media.

Shame on you

[Recursion]

61. Timeo danaos et dona ferentes

We all have to make to make our judgments. I will not trust this brand until I am convinced Svyatski has absolutely nothing to do with it. I respect your judgment; I am making mine explicit as it stands.

[riderinthestorm]

63. You'd know the truth if you really cared

Since you don't I can only surmise you actually just want to dump all over these two French women.

Pretty despicable really.

For those lurking please know these kinds of posts are why many feminists on DU feel as though theres a contingent on DU that isn't supportive of women's rights.

Gotta slap down uppity women protesting "wrong" by shitting all over their action with lies about their motivation.

[Recursion]

64. Hm. You might want to ask the Feminism boards here about that

Just as some initial advice.

[riderinthestorm]

65. Excuse me?! Since when did group think override independent discussion?

I don't visit any of the groups as my post history clearly shows.

I'm not sure why getting permission for my opinion from some group became the norm around here but it sucks.

For any topic.

[Recursion]

66. OK, well, that's your call

Just wanted to throw that out there. Cheers!

[Surya Gayatri]

70. Thanks for riding shotgun in this thread, rider. I had to leave it for a few hours

and came back to find this anti-feminist incursion.

[Surya Gayatri]

69. Shame, indeed. This one outs himself ever more with each parrotted screech.

[Rex]

73. That one did so years and years ago.

Some are just finding out. That one loves the caste system in India, the TPP/NAFTA and anything that subjugates other human beings for profit.

That one doesn't even hide it.

[Surya Gayatri]

74. It also loves the gun culture, if I'm not mistaken. Got a post hidden a while back when responding

to it in an anti-gun thread.

[Recursion]

113. Nope

Nice distraction, though.

[Surya Gayatri]

114. Glad you were momentarily distracted from your misogynist mission.

[Dorian Gray]

118. I've been on the fence

about femen and their tactics for awhile, but you are absolutely right in this case. The conference was a woman hating sham, and the reactions of the imams to these women shows that femen's in your face approach here is needed to illuminate the hatred to the world.

I'm really troubled that this type of conference was held in FRANCE, of all places.

[melman]

51. How many time are you going to post that link?

Enough already.

[Recursion]

56. Until Svyatski's misogynistic "male gaze liberalism" is recognized for what it is (nt)

Last edited Mon Sep 14, 2015, 11:27 PM - Edit history (1)

[riderinthestorm]

58. Way to go shitting all over these two womens' protest action

Feeling proud?

Somebody's misogyny (you really should learn to spell it correctly if you're going to throw that term around) is showing by crapping all over these two.

You have zero proof.that these two were motivated by anyone but their own conscience and the Femen organization in France.

[Surya Gayatri]

77. MISOGYNISTIC. Describes those who hate women. And it's spelled like this.

MISOGYNISTIC:
adjective
1.
reflecting or exhibiting hatred, dislike, mistrust, or mistreatment of women.

[Recursion]

110. Yes, I spelled it right three times before on this thread

God knows that invalidates my point...

[Surya Gayatri]

115. Demonstrates your care for and attention to detail--facts and stuff like that.

[Surya Gayatri]

83. Recognized by whom and to what end? Are you setting yourself up as a savior of

the misled female masses who admire and would like to emulate these activists?

Your hubris is laughable, but mostlly disgustingly suspect.

[Recursion]

111. Yeah, that must be it

This fight has been going on on DU for a while

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023591267

[riderinthestorm]

116. That thread's 2 yrs old and based upon Femen in Ukraine.

Even the filmmaker says Svyatskis role was exaggerated by the media and that he's no longer involved with Femen anywhere.

film-maker Green stated that the press overemphasized Svyatski's role, including that he indeed was no longer involved with FEMEN after the release of the film

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FEMEN

Besides which Femen France is NOT Femen Ukraine. You have no recent derogatory Femen threads because there aren't any. They've evolved. Educate yourself and stop this.

[trumad]

99. How's it feel to be the .11111 percent in this thread..

That finds something wrong with this protest.

Dude ...try hiding better.

[Recursion]

112. This is a two year old fight on DU

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023591267

Look a that thread. I'm happy to be on the side of this that I'm on.

[riderinthestorm]

117. No that threads from 2 yrs ago and is based on Femen Ukraine, not Femen France.

you're so far out on a limb, alone.

I'm offering a helping hand but you're sawing off the branch instead.

[amuse bouche]

42. There needs to be 100 of these women at every gathering of these creeps

I hate religion so very very much

Bravo ladies

[fbc]

44. I hope those attackers go to jail

It should be easy to identify them.

[NonMetro]

47. Burn The Burqa?

I think they should burn the head scarves, too. These are both symbols of their passive submission, similar to old fashioned dress codes for women here in the old days. Once strictly enforced by church and school, their clothes were their outward sign of their acceptance of their submission - and it's making a comeback among Christian fundamentalists these days.

[Arugula Latte]

55. Welcome to DU, NonMetro!

[Arugula Latte]

52. All right!

Good on them!

We need more of this to counteract the lunacy of religion.

[Sunlei]

62. "No-one subjugates me, no-one owns me, I am my own prophet." I LOVE THESE BRAVE WOMAN

[Rex]

71. The days are changing, men in power can either get onboard with the changes

or get left behind. Women are not going to take it anymore, not even at the threat of death.

WAKE UP and join us in the 21st century! Or get left behind all by yourselves.

The world won't wait.

[Surya Gayatri]

72. And, this will be the true revolution--when women take their natural place as leaders of the tribe.

"Women are not going to take it anymore, not even at the threat of death."

[Rex]

75. Agree 100% long past time...as in 1000s of years over due.

We men have had our time in the sun imo. Time to step back and let women rule the world or don't step back and they will anyway.
I, for one, am for stepping out of the way. Then again I believe in tranquility and the only way that can occur is if all of society is at peace. Never happen with only men in charge, history proves this every century.

[Surya Gayatri]

76. Amen!

"Then again I believe in tranquility and the only way that can occur is if all of society is at peace. Never happen with only men in charge, history proves this every century."

[hifiguy]

82. Bravo for these brave women.

[arcane1]

78. At least nobody is being called a bigot for criticizing this primitive religious belief.

I suppose that's progress

[get the red out]

81. That's what I was afraid I would see

I am thrilled to read the pro-women posts!!!!

[F4lconF16]

84. Brave as hell. Amazing. nt

[hunter]

85. It amuses me that Google won't let me see the video without logging in...

... and their toplessness is pixelated in the the thumbnail.

Apparently female nipples are still very dangerous in our own society.

[Surya Gayatri]

87. Typical American ambivalence and squeamishness about the human body.

You'll notice that the photo from "Le Figaro" has no such hypocritical hiding.

Europeans are much less childishly prurient than Americans, as a general rule.

[Warren DeMontague]

86. Screw puritanism.

[Surya Gayatri]

88. Amen!

[mylye2222]

89. The real shame is thag such an evdnt coult take place.

When the Femen activists took action, apparetly the speakefs were debating over wenhever could a Radical Muslim man could beat and rape his wife.
Governement let the Day of Anger took place whefr "death to Jews" could be heard.
They authorize the Jewish Defense League, utra RW aorganization witch is on USs terror list.
They are unable to deploy efficielt intel services agains jihadis.


I think our governement is so desperate about France economic disarray that somewhat they dont mind dividing people. So if a civil war erupts, which may be, as tve population will decline, thereafter the nation would have to be rebuilt and there will be lot of jobs. Like in the sixties.

[smirkymonkey]

98. God, these men are filled with nothing but hatred and anger.

They make me absolutely sick!

[ohheckyeah]

90. Bravo

These women have guts.

[Eleanors38]

91. THIS is juice. ^^^

[frankieallen]

92. ugh, was the boobies really necessary to get the point across?

[Surya Gayatri]

93. Ugh, was this post really necessary to get the misogyny across?

[ohheckyeah]

94. They are

usually called breasts by adults.

[0rganism]

95. originally read "French Fremen" in the title, and thought we were back on Arrakis

story itself is fairly interesting though, pix are kind of NSFW and should be noted as such in the thread title

[Surya Gayatri]

96. Perfectly SFW among adults who are not of a prurient bent...

FWIW, Europeans would find your squeamishness laughable.

[ohheckyeah]

97. If that wasn't

"safe" where I worked I would be looking for a new job, but then again I didn't surf the web at work. I actually worked.

[0rganism]

100. fair enough, but many who post at DU are not in Europe

as one currently at work, i don't find it inappropriate at all by my own standards.
however, i do get nervous that someone walking past my cubicle at that exact second might get the wrong idea. even if it doesn't result in the dreaded "carpet call," such out-of-context observations can still negatively impact the work environment.

[Surya Gayatri]

101. See post N° 97

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027168526#post97

'If that wasn't "safe" where I worked I would be looking for a new job...'

[0rganism]

102. that's one person's opinion (two people?)

hey, maybe s/he likes looking for work. personally i don't.

anyway, you don't think the NSFW label is necessary. fine. i disagree. i'm done here. catch you later, break time's over.

[Surya Gayatri]

103. .../

[Quantess]

104. Those religious assholes can shove it. Fuck them.

Women should disrupt their self-righteous displays of power more often.

[Waldorf]

106. Good for them. Scary as hell that they screamed "kill them" and 15 ran on the stage.

Glad the police were there to stop them.

[Surya Gayatri]

107. French police are not always my favorite public figures, but in this case, they did the right thing.

Welcome to DU, Waldorf. You've arrived just in time for the quadrennial primary craziness! Lucky you, LOL!

[Waldorf]

108. Thank you.

As a newcomer I'll just sit back and watch the craziness.

[Surya Gayatri]

109. Good call. Head below the parapet is the best survival tactic until things settle down.

[Adrahil]

119. Wow.... Gutsy!

Glad they survived and got their message out!

[rollin74]

120. these are brave women

I applaud them

it's disgusting that they were attacked, not surprising though, given the audience