Kim(eh) is throwing a tantrum live on CNN right now

[malaise]

Blahblah blah blah - fugg your bogus religious convictions Kim(eh) - you are a grifter of a fraud.
Send her back to jail.

[malaise]

1. Toobin describes it as a lengthy word salad

[AtheistCrusader]

20. Really?

We can't oppose some horrific piece of shit like Kim Davis without stooping to lowbrow humor that (in your OP) makes a sideswipe joke at mental retardation (Timmeh is a South Park joke explicitly mocking that subject for shock value), and now 'word salad', an accompanying symptom to dementia, schizophrenia, and other psychiatric issues.

Is this fun for you? Calling someone negative things attributed to mental health issues? Is that what we do here?

Kim Davis isn't 'retarded', or schizophrenic or anything else. She's a horrible human being, and a champion bigot. You don't need to stoop to bigotry of another sort to describe her in jest.

[malaise]

22. Huh?

Lots of assumptions here starting with South Park which I may have watched three times ever.

You don't know why I added the (eh) to Kim. It was a play on meh for her inconsistent incoherent bleatings.
Assume away.

[mindwalker_i]

26. I thought the (eh) was in relation to South Park too

And I thought it was damn funny! But I have to agree, you're engaging in ding-bat shaming (and I'm all for it).

[haikugal]

30. .

[AtheistCrusader]

31. And 'Word Salad'?

Looking downthread, I'm not the only one that picked up on the South Park reference.

Here's the thing about pop culture references. It doesn't require you actually watch the show to pick up on them.

[peacebird]

55. When I see word salad, I always assume they mean Like Sarah Palin....

[noiretextatique]

79. i thought word salad was a reference to sarah palin

never have seen a single episode of south park, but the term word salad has been used to describe palin's verbal vomitus.

[AtheistCrusader]

92. Word Salad was a SECOND reference to mental health issues.

It's not from south park. The 'Kim[eh]' reference is to south park. A character in a wheelchair named Timmy, that can only say one word, his name, and says it like 'Timmeh'.

[Duppers]

106. How does "word salad" differ from "random word generator,"

a term you used? http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=211750

To me, the terms mean the same thing.

Could you possibly be too assuming about these pop culture references?

There are strange dichotomies here. Btw, I think Mrs. Davis does suffer with mental health issues. I suppose by your standards that makes me bigoted?


- a fellow atheist

[AtheistCrusader]

107. Word salad is a clinical psychological term.

Word salad is a diagnostic/observation that originated in psychology. It's in the DSM-V.

Random word generator or complaint generator is simply a piece of software.

Your last sentence seems like you're just trying to provoke a response.

[Jamastiene]

56. I thought it was referring to that annoying girl on Full House.

Her name was Kimmie, but she always said it with the "eh" sound at the end. I watched South Park exactly once. I didn't like it and I certainly didn't keep up with it enough to know any of the memes from it.

[randys1]

77. I have to call my son to find out what eh means, he watches South Park

[malaise]

81. Eh in the English speaking Caribbean is a casual and indeed

impolite way of saying please repeat. I didn't quite hear or pardon me would be preferred.

In Kimm(eh)'s case it's WTF did you say there??

[SheilaT]

33. I've myself watched South Park perhaps twice,

and I see the term "word salad" in other contexts, so for me it has zero to do with that show. You are jumping to some amazing conclusions here.

[AtheistCrusader]

36. Um, no.

word salad

Word Origin
noun
1. incoherent speech consisting of both real and imaginary words, lacking comprehensive meaning, and occurring in advanced schizophrenic states.

Origin of word salad Expand 1910-1915

I used to use the term myself, to describe Sarah Palin, until some very helpful person right here at DU went point by point through the why's and what's of where the term came from, and its meaning.

There are slang uses of 'word salad' that might apply to Kim Davis, but it's no more appropriate here than 'retarded', a slang term that has a real primary meaning (synonym for 'Slow' or behind, something you'll find in old shop manuals for engines that have distributors, instead of electronic ignition, or even in modern manuals talking about electronic ignition, managing the knock sensor, which retards timing to compensate for detonation.)

Sorry to point out language and what it means, but I don't buy the explanation for 'Kim[eh]' either. Whether the OP knows it or not, that's a pop culture reference to a character in South Park that can only say his own name.

[Polly Hennessey]

47. Good grief! n/t

[eissa]

52. Can we have a list of permissible insults for DU?

I enjoy swearing, do it quite often. And, yes, I hurl insults at people I don't like. Childish? Yes. But I do it. Yet I find I can't do it here without someone getting offended that it was meant to be something it clearly wasn't. Is asshole ok? We all have them, so I can't be accused of targeting a specific group. How about fucker? Most of us fuck, but then what about those who don't? Would I be hurting their feelings?

Btw, I use word salad all the time. I've never watched an episode of South Park; I always assumed someone made up the term to describe the gibberish (is that ok to say?) that comes out of Caribou Barbie's mouth.

[Solomon]

73. here here

Thank you!

[Matariki]

91. You are offending my locationally challenged self

it's "hear hear"

[LanternWaste]

59. Does the origin of the word dictate its current and colloquial meaning?

Does the origin of the word dictate its current and colloquial meaning?

[SheilaT]

103. Well, somehow I have not seem

to come across "word salad" used that way. I need to check the size of the very large rock I apparently live under.

[malaise]

54. Same here - whay's more it was Toobin who used the phrase

'word salad' on CNN.

[noiretextatique]

80. totally agree

[Matariki]

38. You're serious about objecting to "word salad"?

C'mon. Don't be a caricature.

[AtheistCrusader]

39. I didn't until someone explained it to me here on DU.

Just paying it forward.

I found it a convincing argument.

[Yavin4]

41. "Word Salad" is not limited to schizophrenia

The definition you posted used it as an example. We're getting ridiculous here.

[AtheistCrusader]

43. Yes, it has slang meaning.

Just like the other word I explained, which has primary and slang usage.

Doesn't make it right. Certainly doesn't make it necessary.

[Matariki]

42. I'd argue that it isn't the modern usage

it describes the confused thinking and inability to make any sense of someone like Sarah Palin (and many others on the far right) very well. That and the alcohol.

[Marrah_G]

40. That's a stretch

I know I don't think of mental retardation when I hear "word salad".

[Rex]

67. Yet he/she will remain outraged over something they were totally wrong about.

Getting people to admit they are wrong on the WWW is impossible. That poster went way beyond silly and now cannot back out of that corner.

[AtheistCrusader]

72. Maybe you could take time to discuss it with me before running around the thread backslapping

everyone who disagreed.

[Skittles]

96. why bother?

Rex is correct

[AtheistCrusader]

97. Since we're talking about a slang usage of the term, Urban Dictionary would be the better source.

Have a look. Sure I'm wrong?

[Skittles]

98. yes, I am sure

I don't know the cause but Palin's word salads are legend - there have been many posts about her word salads

save your outrage for something useful

[AtheistCrusader]

99. Yeah, there's been a couple arguments about it too.

I linked you a Psychologist that took ME to task for using it upthread. The term is not different from using 'retarded', which has a clinical, and mechanical/time based meaning, and also a slang insult.

(I was talking about the [eh]/Timmeh modifier for Urban Dictionary, not 'word salad'.)

[Rex]

65. Wow all those wasted words, so you are wrong and now will apologize for being wrong yes?

I kid...of course you won't.

[AtheistCrusader]

71. I'm wrong because five people disagreed with me?

Tell me more, 'spock'.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=131694

[valerief]

84. Timmy is NOT mentally retarded.

http://southpark.wikia.com/wiki/Timmy_Burch

Read and learn.

[AtheistCrusader]

93. Oh boy. His condition has evolved since he enterd english lexicon and I stopped watching the show.

"Timmy was originally described as being somewhat mentally handicapped, but over time his character has become described less as such and more often as "disabled"."

Now go read his name at Urban Dictionary. Seems like everyone could use a little learning here.

[valerief]

110. Urban dictionary is not a South Park wiki. nt

[AtheistCrusader]

111. I fully agree.

However, what Matt and Trey intended is not necessarily how it was utilized by our culture.

[valerief]

112. They wrote it. They wrote Timmy as a physically handicapped Tourette's kid.

Are you saying what you make up about it is more valid than what they wrote?

[AtheistCrusader]

113. No, don't take what I say. Thats why I referred you to urban dictionary.

This isn't a difficult issue.

(And to the latest DSM for word salad. Just as I was taken to task for using it, by another DU'er.)

[valerief]

114. I dunno. I'm not gonna badger another atheist, so ciao.

[nadine_mn]

108. Timmy has a combination of "palsy and Tourrette's"

I am huge fan of South Park. Timmy is 10 and in 4th grade - he is treated as everyone else. No one mocks Timmy for his physical handicap or speech aphasia. So not sure where the "mental retardation" comes from or the joke mocking for shock value. Unless you are making the assumption that just because someone has a physical or mental disability that automatically equals mental retardation. If that is the case there is something seriously flawed in your thinking.

The creators fought for Timmy to be included in the show to demonstrate that a character can have a disability without all the stereotypes.

If you have watched the show ever, you would know that Timmy is damned hero - lead singer in a band, created his own uber-like company to fund a summer camp for the disabled, and has an alter ego super hero Iron Maiden.

[AtheistCrusader]

109. I watched the first three or four seasons.

Timmy developed into something much better after I stopped watching. But that doesn't define the pop culture reference. Reference number 3 to 'Timmeh' on that list explains the origins of that interpretation, it is not mine.

Unless you are making the assumption that just because someone has a physical or mental disability that automatically equals mental retardation. If that is the case there is something seriously flawed in your thinking.

Absolutely not. In fact, that was part of why I brought it up. 'Retard' is not an acceptable term here. People who drop it in reference to even someone as detestable as Sarah Palin are flirting with a 7-0 hide. (I was using it to contrast against Word Salad, a defined symptom for diagnosis for serious mental health problems.) You seem upset how I interpreted the OP's use of the modifier, tell me, do you think that poster was suggesting Kim Davis has a "strange combination of Palsy and Tourettes"? Said poster didn't even know where the modifier came from, or proper use.

Pretty clear what the OP was doing, why it was mockery, and I don't think it's acceptable. I'm sorry you seem to have interpreted me pointing out the problem as somehow endorsing it. I don't. The worst part of it is, he or she doesn't seem to know precisely why they used it. It's become somewhat divorced from it's original meaning, as the vile interpretations on Urban Dictionary can attest. I don't think that should be furthered along.

Edit: It's just not necessary to flirt with terms like that, to describe or even deride someone as vicious, mean, and bigoted as Kim Davis. Being a bigoted asshole isn't a mental health problem at all.

[CrispyQ]

76. Mark my words, before this is over, we will see . . .

Palin/Davis 2016!

[randys1]

78. Davis? Oh, Kim Davis...hey, I like the sound of that

[noiretextatique]

82. talk about a brain drain

not a fully functioning one between the two

[malaise]

85. Good thing I just finished eating

You win the thread

[Warpy]

83. I saw part of it earlier. It's not word salad, it's code

and every right wing Christian in Dixie understands it perfectly.

Davis isn't dumb, she's just very twisted and bigoted and attributes both to Jebus. She's trying to do as little as possible and stay out of jail. Her statement that licenses issued without her name on them won't be valid is nonsense and came right out of the gob of her Liberty U. trained "lawyer." She's going to be in for a big shock over that one.

[malaise]

87. They've unloaded way too many stupid folks

from those fake universities.

[HughBeaumont]

2. Ain't no book taught you to hate. You're doing that entirely on your own.

[daleanime]

3. Amen.....

[Hortensis]

37. The nastiness of some posts sounds like a right-wing forum.

Aggression and hostility toward others are supposed to be characteristic of, well, a lot of the religious authoritarians who support Kim's actions. So what's it doing HERE?

Notably, she's demonstrably a profound hypocrite, but accusing her of being motivated primarily by hate is way over the line because that has never been established.

Her office is, in fact, issuing marriage licenses to all -- and will continue to do so, in spite of her hot air, so time to move on?

[HughBeaumont]

50. Um, she's the one making a blatant attempt to associate inherent disposition to marriage . .

. . . but I'M the one being "nasty" (geeez, hyperbole much)?

Sorry, denial of due and legal civil rights in 2015 because of flimsy reasoning such as an ugly interpretation of a Bronze-age text doesn't get any lenience with me. Here's where I tell you I'm a grown adult and you have absolutely ZERO right to tell me who or what I can and cannot pass judgement on.

"We must be tolerant of the intolerant" is the biggest bullshit argument ever inflicted on the American hivemind.

[Hortensis]

62. This wasn't about your post specifically, Hugh. Look at the thread.

And you misunderstand my meaning. It is that WE on these forums should not behave with the kind of aggressive, hostile, dishonest intolerance we profess to be against in others.

A slur is a slur, whether it's against a gay man or a religious extremist who'd burn the Constitution if she could.

[PJMcK]

69. Well said

Further, I respect your civil tone. It gets tiresome to hear aggressive responses that, too often, misunderstand the poster's comments and devolve into spats.

[Jamastiene]

95. + a trillion

I get sick of being told we have to be tolerant of intolerance and hatred. Fuck that noise.

[Skittles]

102. the worst is "my friend / relative is religious, s/he doesn't hate gays"

[Jamastiene]

57. You might not see homophobia as hate, but

the majority of the rest of us do. I'm not sure how you can interpret her actions any other way but motivated by hate. She has no reason to deny others civil rights, except hatred. In no way does gay marriage violate the sanctity of her 4th marriage (literally). Homophobia is hate.

[Hortensis]

66. I have about 0 respect for "Kim" and her ilk. But I also know people whose

opposition to gay marriage is based solely on their religion's proscription against it. My old friend does not hate her son or any of his friends; her house was a favorite hangout when we lived down the street. My daughter's sister-in-law does not hate her uncle, or her uncle's partner of probably a half century now.

Personally, I think both should go choose another of the approximately 10,000 religions on this planet, one that allows them to support the right of all others to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, but not because either needs to run away from a hate they do not feel.

[Skittles]

101. they need to find a religion that does not endorse hatred

because HATRED is *EXACTLY* what it is

[Hortensis]

104. No, hatred comes from within. Some just don't feel it.

[Skittles]

105. if you think your relationship is superior to that of others, that is EXACTLY what it is

[awoke_in_2003]

88. +1000. nt

[Skittles]

100. RACISM / MISGOYNY / HOMOPHOBIA *IS* HATRED

what part of that do you not understand???

[hobbit709]

4. She's arrogant and stupid enough to piss off the judge again.

And she's dumb enough to try to shred the licenses issued by the assistant clerks. If she does, then she'll run afoul of state law and can actually be criminally charged.

[atreides1]

5. She is dumb

But she continues to listen to her lawyers and that will end in her going back to jail!

This is about the Liberty Counsel, it's no longer about some adulteress, multiple married, religious grifter!

This time the judge should leave her locked up for 30 days...that should cost her a months pay!

[PatSeg]

28. And because she is not too bright,

she is being encouraged and used by master grifters like Mike Huckabee and Ted Cruz and, of course, her own lawyer. She is just eating up all that attention, but they don't care about her.

[underpants]

29. Yep the Liberty Counsel is bilking her supporters

And using her to do it.

[malaise]

7. You don't seem to understand that Kim(eh) knows more about the law

than the governor et al. She alone decides what is law and what is legal.

She needs a psychiatric test - bat shit crazy does not quite describe her.

[davidpdx]

6. Omaha Steve's LBN post

I have it updated per CNN:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141206711

[malaise]

8. Thanks

[whatthehey]

9. what's with the eh thing?

[Botany]

12. From South Park ..... Timmy is pronouced as Tim AH

[malaise]

25. It has nothing to do with that

I may have watched South Park three times ever.

[Botany]

35. yes it does!

[malaise]

44. Ha n/t

[Takket]

94. pffffffffft Lincoln was so dumb. The word is "internets" with an s.

[Betty Karlson]

10. Is CNN seriously going for the Fox-lite award?

What posesses them to give this criminal air time?

[malaise]

11. Ratings???

[Betty Karlson]

13. For a dying-out demographic?

[malaise]

16. Read sarge43's post n/t

[Betty Karlson]

18. Read it, didn't understand it.

Maybe it's because I'm not a native speaker. What is a geek show?

[ProfessorGAC]

23. Think Freak Show

Stuff that just is weird and shocking at a carnival.

[haikugal]

32. Here's an explanation for you...

Geek show. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geek_show

Geek shows were an act in traveling carnivals and circuses of early America and were often part of a larger sideshow.

The Online Etymology Dictionary give the following for "geek": "sideshow freak," 1916, U.S. carnival and circus slang, perhaps a variant of geck "a fool, dupe, simpleton" (1510s), apparently from Low Ger. geck, from an imitative verb found in North Sea Germanic and Scandinavian meaning "to croak, cackle," and also "to mock, cheat." The modern form and the popular use with reference to circus sideshow "wild men" is from 1946, in William Lindsay Gresham's novel Nightmare Alley (made into a film in 1947 starring Tyrone Power).

The billed performer's act consisted of a single geek, who stood in center ring to chase live chickens. It ended with the performer biting the chickens' heads off and swallowing them.[1] The geek shows were often used as openers for what are commonly known as freak shows. It was a matter of pride among circus and carnival professionals not to have traveled with a troupe that included geeks. Geeks were sometimes alcoholics or drug addicts, and could be paid with liquor – especially during Prohibition – or with narcotics

[Betty Karlson]

34. I think I understand now: Mailaise suggests that CNN

wants to exhibit Ms. Davis as a "geek" and hopes to draw all those who like to see freaks make fools of themselves - the implication being that CNN views Ms. Davis as someone likely to make a big fool of herself.

(At the same time, I think we will all agree that no LGBT couple asking for a marriage license should be compared to a chicken, treated like one, or have their heads bitten off. Which is what Ms. Davis's ilk would like to do.)

[sarge43]

46. Never my intention to insult LGBT couples. Love, laughter and a long life together

On the other, fully intended to insult Kimmie and her fan club.

Creeps.

[malaise]

63. Same here

Expose the creeps and laugh at them as well

[sarge43]

68. Garlic for vampires, laughter at creeps

They can't stand it.

[sarge43]

14. Geek show at a third rate carnie or bus accident

Brings out a crowd every time.

[hobbit709]

15. They've been Faux Lite for years now.

[mountain grammy]

17. The judge has the power to fine her and he should.

A daily fine taken from her pay until she resigns or obeys the law. No worries, Kim (eh) your lord and master will provide. The Huckster is loaded.

[malaise]

45. +1,000

[Xyzse]

19. Took me a few to figure out which Kim you were talking about.

[TNNurse]

21. She thinks she is SO special that accommodations should be made

just for her. Not accommodations to make her job easier like equipment or a desk that might accommodate a wheelchair.

She wants "accommodations" so she does not have to do her job. Not anyone else in the office....just her...or maybe her son.

[mindwalker_i]

24. Hey, that's ding-bat shaming!

(yes, this is a joke)

[malaise]

27. Yes it is - but she is a shameless grifter

and I will continue to expose her.

[mindwalker_i]

49. She seems to do a good job of exposing herself

It's up to us to make fun of her, hence ding-bat shaming

[backscatter712]

74. I'll admit, I'm a big fan of asshole-shaming. n/t

[Vinca]

48. It occurred to me this is the perfect opportunity for Kim to prove her faith.

If she truly believes she will step down from her $80,000 a year job in the name of the Lord. After all, God will provide . . . right? That's what the faithful always say.

[malaise]

51. Never test a Grifter and her money

Money always wins for these people.

[WiffenPoof]

53. Have you noticed...

That almost every thread ends up being an argument that is largely an attempt to parse words?. We have been reduced to infighting over some of the most trivial points of language.

On edit...
Boy has this place changed.

[ScreamingMeemie]

58. Here since 2003... same ole same ole...

I lost my rose-colored glasses a long time ago.

[malaise]

61. An argument takes two

I'm in no argument

[WiffenPoof]

64. Whatever...

You want to call it. I think you know what I'm saying.

[Marrah_G]

75. It makes posting difficult

I post less and less. If you make a post about almost any topic, people expect a term paper complete with bibliography and a lengthy check to make sure no word in it can be twisted into something offensive. DU isn't a job.

[deutsey]

86. Precisely why I post less and less here, as well.

That and those posters you encounter who have a single-minded fixation on a particular ax they want to grind over and over again no matter what the topic is.

[Skittles]

115. are you insinuating we are boys?

[Capt. Obvious]

60. Your use of the terms tantrum and grifter are offensive

[ProfessorGAC]

89. Well Played!

Great one, Captain!

[malaise]

90. +1.000