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Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 08:43 PM Sep 2015

If Fiorina is proud of her 61 years and every wrinkle,

Why did she have so much work done to remove them? Compare photos from her last campaign to now.

I know there are double standards and all, but she claims she is proud of her wrinkles?

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If Fiorina is proud of her 61 years and every wrinkle, (Original Post) Thor_MN Sep 2015 OP
When Fiorina punches back at Trump, it's best to just stand back and watch pinboy3niner Sep 2015 #1
Hmm. Thor_MN Sep 2015 #2
The connection between the Fox and HP starts at the top. OnyxCollie Sep 2015 #6
Great information! Octafish Sep 2015 #23
You're right. RussBLib Sep 2015 #10
She looked SO MUCH BETTER BEFORE! dorkzilla Sep 2015 #30
I really don't have an opinion on better or worse. Thor_MN Sep 2015 #35
I should clarify, natural is better dorkzilla Sep 2015 #37
+100 Thor_MN Sep 2015 #42
I saw this exact thing at a family occasion with my daughters in laws and other family members. CTyankee Sep 2015 #40
I was wondering why her hair is dyed if she's "proud" of her wrinkles. n/t winter is coming Sep 2015 #3
You can technically be proud of one thing and no so proud of another Reter Sep 2015 #4
Yeah, what a pain that is...I know I stopped years ago...a natural gray now surrounds my CTyankee Sep 2015 #41
No wonder Egnever Sep 2015 #5
Fiorina is in very good shape for her age. Her politics suck. Lets leave it at that. phleshdef Sep 2015 #7
+1 pinboy3niner Sep 2015 #9
You are probably right, but when she turns hypocrite... Thor_MN Sep 2015 #11
Ah whatever, its not like she is the one that made her appearance an issue. phleshdef Sep 2015 #12
True, I hadn't considered from that standpoint. Thor_MN Sep 2015 #14
Don't get me wrong, I would never resort to botox or surgery to deal with aging myself. phleshdef Sep 2015 #17
That is very very true. dorkzilla Sep 2015 #32
what is with these people botoxing and filling to the point they cannot make normal expressions Skittles Sep 2015 #8
I'm a guy. I wonder if anybody notices that I pluck out my stray ear and nose hair? Ex Lurker Sep 2015 #13
To be fair, are you claiming to be proud of each hair, in a speech for your advantage? Thor_MN Sep 2015 #16
My nosehair alone would sink my resume pinboy3niner Sep 2015 #19
See Juror #7 in the alert posted below. Thor_MN Sep 2015 #22
WTF Skittles Sep 2015 #20
In this era of HDTV Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #15
FYI Sissyk Sep 2015 #18
Juror #7 gets it and articulated exactly why I posted this. Thor_MN Sep 2015 #21
Juror #3 gets it too. This is a stupid, sexist OP. Bucky Sep 2015 #36
I wanna alert on this alert saturnsring Sep 2015 #27
to bad she can't be proud of her work at HP... Javaman Sep 2015 #24
I read hp is getting rid of 25k employees saturnsring Sep 2015 #28
I agree , it's the hypocrisy that bugs me...I've had work done... joeybee12 Sep 2015 #25
She's also proud of every job she overseased saturnsring Sep 2015 #26
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. demmiblue Sep 2015 #29
So she's proud of every wrinkle she has now. I think this OP is very unfair and sexist. merrily Sep 2015 #31
Trump is an asshole totally. dorkzilla Sep 2015 #43
LOL! Make sure you don't spill it on the upholstery of your Lexus, you latte drinking, merrily Sep 2015 #44
It’s leather and its just starting to get that nice lived in look dorkzilla Sep 2015 #45
I've been wondering when that will happen to Christie Brinkley. merrily Sep 2015 #46
Good genes? dorkzilla Sep 2015 #47
LOL! merrily Sep 2015 #48
IMHO this is a non-issue. I subscribe to the old saying: jonno99 Sep 2015 #33
Republican candidates tell a lot of lies. Why bother with this one? Orsino Sep 2015 #34
I just wish we could not judge anyone leftyladyfrommo Sep 2015 #38
Didn't stop her from snarking on Sen Boxer's appearance tishaLA Sep 2015 #39

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
1. When Fiorina punches back at Trump, it's best to just stand back and watch
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 08:49 PM
Sep 2015

I applaud her response to Trump. I certainly wouldn't attack her on that, or on assumptions made about her photos.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
6. The connection between the Fox and HP starts at the top.
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 10:19 PM
Sep 2015

Former HP executive Thomas Perkins is a News Corp Board director.

Who controls Fox News? A peek at the higher-ups
SFBG
http://www.sfbg.com/PDFs/politics/newscorpchart1009
[URL=.html][IMG][/IMG][/URL]

Thomas Perkins, a News Corp. director, is a Silicon Valley venture capitalist. He is a founding partner of Kleiner, Perkins, Caufield & Byers, an investment firm with stakes in Genentech, Google, Sun Microsystems, Netscape, Amazon, and others. He was previously an executive at Hewlett Packard. Perkins was the fifth husband of romance novelist Danielle Steel. He owned the 287-foot Maltese Falcon -- the largest and most expensive private sailboat ever built. A partner at Perkins’ firm, John Gage, also serves as a director of the Markle Foundation, a private nonprofit that provides recommendations for using technology to enhance the federal government’s intelligence-sharing abilities, according to a policy paper published by the foundation. Stanley Shuman, another News Corp. director, is listed as a managing director at the Markle Foundation.


Who controls Fox News? A peek at the higher-ups
SFBG
http://www.sfbg.com/PDFs/politics/newscorpchart1009

Viet Dinh is a News Corp. director and attorney who came to the United States as a boy from Vietnam. In a 2002 interview with the LA Times, Dinh, who then served as an assistant attorney general at the U.S. Department of Justice, recalled an exchange he’d had with then-Attorney General John Ashcroft in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks. “He told me: ‘The art of leadership is the redefinition of the possible,’” Dinh recounted. “‘I want you to be the think tank to help me redefine the possible for the Department of Justice.’”

~snip~

A law professor at Georgetown, Dinh is also listed as the founder and chief of Bancroft Associates PLLC, a consulting firm that specializes in helping Fortune 500 companies “navigate the federal and state criminal or civil investigations, congressional investigations and complex litigation,” according to the firm’s Web site. It also specializes in public relations.


News Corp. Independent Directors Hire Debevoise Law Firm
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-19/news-corp-independent-directors-hire-debevoise-firm-s-white-mukasey.html

July 19 (Bloomberg) -- News Corp.’s independent directors hired the law firm Debevoise & Plimpton LLP, according to Mary Jo White, a partner at the firm and the former U.S. attorney in New York.

Michael Mukasey, who served as U.S. attorney general under George W. Bush, will join White in representing directors, Suzanne Elio, a spokeswoman for the firm, said today.

“Debevoise & Plimpton has been retained to advise Viet Dinh in his supervision of the Management and Standards Committee on behalf of the independent members of the board,” Elio said in an e-mail. She declined to comment further.

Dinh, who runs a small law firm in Washington that specializes in damage control, and venture capital executive Tom Perkins are leading the efforts of independent directors, who hold nine of 16 board seats. Dinh, also a professor at Georgetown University and the chief architect of the USA Patriot Act, represented Perkins, a former Hewlett-Packard Co. director, during a scandal at that company.


Hewlett-Packard spying scandal sheds new light on US corporate “ethics”
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2006/10/hepa-o02.html

The chairman and a half dozen other top officials have resigned or been fired at Hewlett-Packard, the biggest US personal computer and printer manufacturer, amid a scandal over illegal corporate spying that has unfolded over the past month.

The spying campaign, launched by H-P board Chairwoman Patricia Dunn in response to leaks to the press of internal corporate discussions, included surreptitiously obtaining the phone records of H-P board members and employees, surveillance of board members and journalists, and the emailing of spyware to journalists in an effort to learn the identity of their sources within the company.

Private telephone records on hundreds of cell and home telephones were obtained by a method called “pretexting,” in which investigators made repeated calls to telephone companies, pretending to be the individuals targeted, until they were able to convince a phone company employee to release the information.

~snip~

The spying campaign was touched off by a series of leaks from within the Hewlett-Packard board of directors, providing details of internal disputes over corporate strategy. H-P, the biggest company in Silicon Valley, has been in considerable difficulty since its controversial acquisition of a leading manufacturer of personal computers, Compaq. CEO Carly Fiorina was forced out in 2005. She was succeeded as CEO by Mark Hurd, former CEO of NCR, and as chairwoman of the board by Dunn.


Hewlett-Packard and Compaq agree to merge, creating $87 billion global technology leader
http://www8.hp.com/us/en/hp-news/press-release.html?id=230610#.VfjEqL6Ya0x
PALO ALTO, CA and HOUSTON, TX, September 3, 2001

~snip~

Carly Fiorina, chairman and chief executive officer of HP, will be chairman and CEO of the new HP. Michael Capellas, chairman and chief executive officer of Compaq, will be president. Capellas and four other members of Compaq's current Board of Directors will join HP's Board upon closing.

"This is a decisive move that accelerates our strategy and positions us to win by offering even greater value to our customers and partners," said Fiorina. "In addition to the clear strategic benefits of combining two highly complementary organizations and product families, we can create substantial shareowner value through significant cost structure improvements and access to new growth opportunities. At a particularly challenging time for the IT industry, this combination vaults us into a leadership role with customers and partners -- together we will shape the industry for years to come."

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
23. Great information!
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 09:01 AM
Sep 2015

Amazing, the news business gathering all those DoJ and MIC types to help drum up, uh, advertising. Seeing the Silicon Valley big wigs use Fox as an intel gathering, and counter-espionage resource also is telling.

Thank you for documenting the rightwing corruptions, Blackie. Implications go beyond Rupert and his minions or Carly and her Swiss bank account.

RussBLib

(9,008 posts)
10. You're right.
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 10:43 PM
Sep 2015

Older picture, she's got many more wrinkles around her eyes.

Newer picture, they're gone.

Obviously some plastic surgery, but you're proud of your wrinkles?

OMG, another Republican hypocrite! Shocking!

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
30. She looked SO MUCH BETTER BEFORE!
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 11:36 AM
Sep 2015

Why do women do this to themselves? They all look like they have a turnbuckle on the back of their heads and every once in a while they have to turn it and tighten themselves up...

I have a BUNCH of friends who I haven’t seen in a while and we met up for cocktails early this summer in the Upper East Side of NYC where most of them live. We all used to work together at a well known cultural institution except that I am a butcher’s kid from the Bronx and they pretty much all are from very grand families...but they’re still lovely ladies with kind hearts (lots of philanthropy going on there!) and they all have great senses of humor which was our common bond. At 50 I am slightly but not much younger than the next youngest at 54 and they range up to 66. I always think I’m the comic relief because I look like a prim and proper lady and swear like a truck driver. I’ll also talk to ANYONE which makes them giggle for some reason.

Not only did I not recognize them, they all looked basically like the same approximation of each other. And that takes some doing considering half of them are Jewish and the other half WASPS. Quelle surprise, they all have the same Park Avenue surgeon. And they all now look considerably older and more desperate.

My point is, I think people in a certain tax bracket (and I’m seeing this more frequently with men as well, although they’re slightly older when they start the slippery slope) live in this fucking insane air-tight bubble and they don’t realize how sad this looks to most of us “normal” people. And when you’re in the public eye you have image consultants who tell you you need a lift here and an injection there because you look “tired”.

Sure is interesting sometimes when you live half in and half out of their atmosphere.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
35. I really don't have an opinion on better or worse.
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 06:01 PM
Sep 2015

What I have noted is different. First there is wrinkles, then there is not, then she says she is proud of them. Typical Republican hypocrisy, say one thing, do another.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
37. I should clarify, natural is better
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 06:12 PM
Sep 2015

I mean there isn’t anything wrong with a little hair color, or makeup or anything else a woman choses to do including plastic surgery if she wants it. What makes me sad is that they can’t seem to wrap their heads around the fact that we all age, and there is nothing to be ashamed of.

But the fucking hypocrisy of saying you love your wrinkles after obliterating them? You can have my crows feet when you pry them out of my cold wrinkley hands - I enjoyed every smile that made them

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
40. I saw this exact thing at a family occasion with my daughters in laws and other family members.
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 06:18 PM
Sep 2015

Two of the women looked AWFUL. Their faces were distorted from the tightening of their skins. They didn't look normal at all.

One of his sisters in law did not have the surgery. Even with her aging skin (she was all of maybe 55) she looked great, natural and lovely.

I don't get it...

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
41. Yeah, what a pain that is...I know I stopped years ago...a natural gray now surrounds my
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 06:19 PM
Sep 2015

face which naturally "softens" it. It is jarring to see and old face and artificially colored hair...

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
5. No wonder
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 10:10 PM
Sep 2015

When I recently saw her in an interview somewhere I thought to myself that doesn't look like Fiorina. Thought my memory was faulty lol. This explains it.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
11. You are probably right, but when she turns hypocrite...
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 10:51 PM
Sep 2015

When she says she is proud of the wrinkles she erased, my mind says bullshit. If she hadn't bragged on them, I noticed her "work" months ago.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
12. Ah whatever, its not like she is the one that made her appearance an issue.
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 10:52 PM
Sep 2015

We should be attacking the sexist pig who made such a non-issue a headline maker.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
17. Don't get me wrong, I would never resort to botox or surgery to deal with aging myself.
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 11:33 PM
Sep 2015

The most I do is shave my head because I'm balding on top and I think it preserves my youthful appearance more to just shave the whole thing, but thats about as far as I go, lol.

But you know, Trump needlessly attacked her on her appearance and from a completely objective observation outside of politics, I think she is nice looking. I doubt I'll look as nice as a 61 year old man when that time comes. And she shouldn't have to defend her damn looks to an asshole like Trump. But she was put in that position by him and the shitty media, so you know, I won't judge her for saying "I'm proud of the way I look", even if she has had some work done. What else is she gonna say right? Like every other candidate, she should have to defend her record, positions and policies which are REAL troubling things when it comes to Fiorina.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
32. That is very very true.
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 11:39 AM
Sep 2015

She didn’t make it an issue, and trump is an asshat.

But don’t say you’re proud of your wrinkles if you’ve botoxed and fillered them into oblivion. We can see you!!!!

Skittles

(153,160 posts)
8. what is with these people botoxing and filling to the point they cannot make normal expressions
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 10:35 PM
Sep 2015

they always think no one notices either - hello, they're just not saying anything

Ex Lurker

(3,813 posts)
13. I'm a guy. I wonder if anybody notices that I pluck out my stray ear and nose hair?
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 10:53 PM
Sep 2015

I won't criticize anyone for having work done. If it makes them happy, more power to them.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
16. To be fair, are you claiming to be proud of each hair, in a speech for your advantage?
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 11:28 PM
Sep 2015

I also pluck or trim hair, but I don't think I'll put it on my resume.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
22. See Juror #7 in the alert posted below.
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 09:01 AM
Sep 2015

I still think you are not getting the point. That Fiorina is a woman has nothing to do with it. It's not about her appearance, but her bragging about her appearance, when her actions tell a different tale. I have always hated hypocrisy.

Skittles

(153,160 posts)
20. WTF
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 02:46 AM
Sep 2015

I'm not saying they cannot have work done, but when they cannot make an expression THEY LOOK RIDICUOUS

Sissyk

(12,665 posts)
18. FYI
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 11:34 PM
Sep 2015

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Rude sexist crap. Who cares whether she has wrinkles or not? Seriously? We're gonna boil a candidate down to what she looks like? Rude. Sexist and ageist.

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Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
21. Juror #7 gets it and articulated exactly why I posted this.
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 08:52 AM
Sep 2015

She claimed wrinkles as a virtue, but her photos are obviously anachronous. The fact that she is a woman is irrelevant. She was goaded into making a remark by a sexist statement by Trump, not an ageist statement.


There are those who see nothing but what they want to see. And some of them like the alert button.

Bucky

(54,003 posts)
36. Juror #3 gets it too. This is a stupid, sexist OP.
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 06:11 PM
Sep 2015

The polar ice cap is melting, the Republicans are trying to drive us to war with Iran, wages are falling behind inflation, our infrastructure is falling apart, the Bill of Rights is being dismantled... and all you care to post about is some millionaire's cosmetic surgery?

Friend, you're acting like part of the problem.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
25. I agree , it's the hypocrisy that bugs me...I've had work done...
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 11:19 AM
Sep 2015

And think anyone who wants to should...just own up to it.

That said, The Donald is an idiot, and quite frankly all he had to do was hammer home how awful a job she's done in the business world to make his point.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
31. So she's proud of every wrinkle she has now. I think this OP is very unfair and sexist.
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 11:37 AM
Sep 2015

Trump makes a sexist remark about Fiorina's current face, but she can't defend her current face?

Does this mean the work Hillary's had done and comparing her photos are fair game now, too?

Come on, now, this is bullshit.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
43. Trump is an asshole totally.
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 06:27 PM
Sep 2015

And this is the kind of shit the women I know are reacting to.

I just wish that women (and increasingly men) would stop apologizing for their imperfections to the point where they feel compelled to alter themselves because of something as beautiful as getting older. If they REALLY want to because it makes them more confident, more beautiful have at it! If you’re doing it because some asshole passed a comment about how tired you look, then you need to re-evaluate your relationship with that person and your self-esteem.

and there is a slight difference in comparing photos of other women - Carly just seems like she’s being a hypocrite. The better tact to take would have been to say nothing so he looks even more buffoonish, or to just laugh and say “Look at YOUR hair!”.

Okay going to have my latte now!

merrily

(45,251 posts)
44. LOL! Make sure you don't spill it on the upholstery of your Lexus, you latte drinking,
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 06:31 PM
Sep 2015

Lexus driving liberal you.

jonno99

(2,620 posts)
33. IMHO this is a non-issue. I subscribe to the old saying:
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 11:45 AM
Sep 2015

"If the barn needs painting paint it!".

My addendum is: "however, if some preferred the "weathered" look, more power to them. "

If Fiona's "work" didn't take care of all of here wrinkles - so what?!

Let's PLEASE focus on the issues...

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
34. Republican candidates tell a lot of lies. Why bother with this one?
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 01:43 PM
Sep 2015

Fiorina has a tougher row to hoe, facing stupid questions about her appearance that the men-folk aren't troubled with.

tishaLA

(14,176 posts)
39. Didn't stop her from snarking on Sen Boxer's appearance
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 06:15 PM
Sep 2015

...during that senate run she lost so miserably.

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