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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWill climate change significantly affect our species?
I'm wondering what other DUers think.
Regardless of other species (I don't want to neglect them or suggests our fates are not linked, but for the sake of the question), do you think that climate change will extinguish the human race or radically re-adjust is dispensations, eliminating modern life as we have come to know it, for instance?
I'm not asking if we can yet avoid its major effects, but will we?
Is the petroleum industry so powerful that it will take us (and sadly thousands of other species) over the cliff?
What do you think?
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)peacebird
(14,195 posts)That much is clear.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)whatthehey
(3,660 posts)If you are poor, rely on local farming, and live at a low altitude then yes it surely will, but it's the rest of us who did the deciding when we decided we needed to live in deserts with 9+ months a year AC , live tens of miles from work and drive there alone every day, and not even be willing to adjust our driving habits to rent a car the few times a year we need to go over 100 miles a day and go EV the other 95%+ of the time.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)nada, not a one.
If, and according to a few experts this is not possible anyway, we are to survive...sky dads Don't help. I am being as serious as well, a heart attack.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)I was trying to get at the fact that if we have some really extreme weather, mega tsunamis, etc., and less humans are on the planet overall for the planet is it a good thing or bad thing?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)we are not that special. We are an apex species to boot. Yup, I am pleased with myself I did not have children. Their generation, or their kids will see something that will be epic. My hypothetical great grand kids might not ever be born. Yes, it is that close and serious.
I expect though, hyper religiosity to come back, as we circle down the drain of the sixth great extinction though. Yes, it is a real thing...look it up.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)from the trees LOL
Humans will survive unless something really bad happens like a meteor the size of the Manhattan hits us
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)not major, since we came down from trees 2 million years ago.
I take it you really believe we are that special. Suit yourself.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Of course he still pees on the carpet so I can't do everything right
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)And the last five great extinctions, one involved an asteroid the size of Manhattan. At least two involved climactic change. And we are in the midst of the sixth mass extinction.
Can we avoid it? Yes, maybe. There are a few in the scientific community that do believe we are well over the tipping point. As this continues more will come to that conclusion.
But feel free to continue with the snark
snooper2
(30,151 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)Fucking welcher.
dumbcat
(2,120 posts)There are way too many people.
randome
(34,845 posts)Push hasn't come to shove yet. When it does, we will think of something. It will be something jury-rigged and composed of paperclips and tape but we will do something to survive.
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nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)yes, more and more scientists are saying that
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)We're already seeing effects from the current planetary heat loading.
We - the aggregate global "we" - have no way of voluntarily slowing carbon emissions significantly and rapidly, where "significant and rapid" means something like an 80% reduction within 20 years. Effective international agreements cannot be achieved even for slow and insignificant reductions.
Carbon emissions are tightly linked to economic activity. Around 70% of all economic growth is attributable to the growth of energy consumption. (See Gail Tverberg's article from a couple of days ago: How our energy problem leads to a debt collapse problem.)
1. If the world economy keeps humming, CO2 will keep rising. Eventually the world's heat loading will be enough to cause widespread crop failures with all that implies. We may be within 20 years of that point.
2. The only thing we know of that would reduce human CO2 emissions significantly and rapidly is a global economic collapse. That of course carries its own set of existential risks: it would trigger the Four Horsemen, with results virtually indistinguishable from the first case. The probability, timeline and severity of such a crash is unpredictable, but the state of the world's economy and finances at the moment makes me very pessimistic.
Perhaps the best we can hope for is a partial collapse of the world economy. A partial collapse that cut economic output and CO2 emissions by 50% or so within a couple of years, and 75% within a couple of decades might put us in a sustainable situation for the longer term, so long as we didn't have access to the resources or energy required to rebuild the economy to its current level. If we were able to rebuild from a 50% economic collapse we could see an oscillating, stair-step decline that could look like this:
We will go extinct, but not any time soon. There will be time for a lot of heartache and misery between now and then. Let us pray...
skip fox
(19,357 posts)I don't think we have crosses the line (the "tipping point," or whatever) yet, but I see no indication that we will reverse CO2 emissions in time to avoid going over. As Chris Hayes wrote, we're asking the petroleum industry to leave over a trillion dollars of assets in the ground. And in Capitalism, the corporation is a headless monster which has but a single "ethical" imperative: make more money for stockholders.
As wild as it sounds, in the name of such Capitalism, the petroleum industry will mindlessly sacrifice the planet.
I think much of the strangeness that we see on the national and international stage is the result of an unconscious awareness (if that makes sense) that we are in the process of committing mass suicide.
From a writer's standpoint, it will be very interesting how people react as we get closer to the line and even as we step over (though I might not live to see that).
zappaman
(20,606 posts)I think Mother Earth will release something from the melting permafrost that will take care of the virus (us) that is attacking her.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)People will flee the permanent droughts in their countries and try to go where there is water. Many cities will get inundated due to ocean water rising and those people will have to go somewhere else. The areas that have water will find they have to defend it or lose it, so wars will be fought over water, the way they are over oil now.
literally millions if not billions of people will die of starvation because there won't be enough water to grow crops for all the billions on the planet now. Many societies will simply collapse, first in the third world countries and the countries with the most populations such as India and China (both have billions of citizens). Ordinary people will be the biggest threat to people, especially in cities.
It will be a dystopia, like the movies. No law, no order, no hope.
Places which are relatively safe from the worst outcomes of climate change, such as the West Coast in the US will be overrun by refugees from the rest of the US. If you do manage to find some sort of sanctuary, perhaps in the mountains where the climate will warm up you will have to guard it to the point of death. Yours or anyone coming after your sanctuary.
The richest people will be OK for a while. They will hang together and find a place to survive, but if the climate change continues, and there's no reason to think it won't, eventually it will be too hot for anyone or anything to survive. When the food dies, we die, even if we resort to cannibalism in the end.
instead of Summer & Fall, we have FIRE SEASON in California!
Trust me, that affects our species and more already.
Texas Blues
(55 posts)The world would be SO much better off and guarantee that we win the White House in 2016!