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Who won the debate... (274k respondants)
TRUMP 61.07% (228,818 votes)
FIORINA 15.49% (58,031 votes)
CRUZ 5.28% (19,798 votes)
RUBIO 5.07% (18,982 votes)
PAUL 4.53% (16,973 votes)
CARSON 3.95% (14,787 votes)
CHRISTIE 1.16% (4,360 votes)
BUSH 1.15% (4,303 votes)
KASICH 1.08% (4,052 votes)
WALKER 0.7% (2,604 votes)
HUCKABEE 0.52% (1,957 votes)
ZM90
(706 posts)Egnever
(21,506 posts)People are projecting their own views on the republican party and completely ignoring the crazy they have become.
Yes in the sane world Trump once again came off as a crass idiot. In the republican party however he is speaking their language.
It doesn't matter what we think of trump we aren't going to vote for him. Predicting his demise based on our point of view is a big mistake.
I have been listening to Chris Mathews and friends for the last few hours trying to push the idea he lost this and can only shake my head at their complete misunderstanding of the republican base.
People need to try to remember the Republican base is no longer made up of sensible people they are climate deniers and homophobes and racist and xtian fundamentalist. These aren't thoughtful people they are reactionary people and Trump is playing right to their prejudices. Trying to base who won on the premise that the base of republicans are looking for some sort of reasonable republican is looking at the republican base all wrong.
I really don't understand how practically the whole panel at MSNBC can completely miss this completely obvious aspect of the republican party. For years now they have been kicking out reasonable republicans, serious republicans in favor reactionary tea party bomb throwers.
I am truly gobsmacked that one professional pundit after another doesn't see this.
laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)I'm watching the replay of the debate right now (well, kind of. I fell asleep for a half hour or so, lol) and I also don't get how people think Trump is some kind of joke that will never happen. He says all the right things that resonate with the Republican's batshit crazy brainwashed base. Every single thing Trump does or says validates everything the base has ever believed in. I can totally see him getting the nomination. I think people are underestimating him, just as they did GWB. If I'm a brainwashed republican moron watching this debate, I'm thinking Trump wins. It's not just what he says, it's how he says it and his air of authority (oh, republicans love that). I agree, I'm gobsmacked over here as well that no one seems to get it.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)And I believe a majority of the country sees him as one as well. I don't for a second think he will win the presidency.
Having said that the primaries are a whole nother ball game. In the primaries he only has to appeal to the largest portion of the republican party. Over the years of watching politics there has always been a batshit crazy 27% that support republicans no matter what heinous crap they pull. We saw it writ large in the end of the shrubs riegn when it was hard for anyone to deny he was a complete freaking disaster still that 27% hung on and refused to criticize him.
That 27% is a huge portion of the republican party and it's large enough inside the republican party to cary Trump all the way to the nomination if he continues to spew thier calling card especially in a field of 11 candidates.
I agree with you completely that it is not so much what he says to those sheeple as how he says it, and it is like mana from heaven to the wackjob base of the republican party.
The reactions from these so called professional pundits to it or their inability to look outside their own bias to see the republican party for what it is makes me completely question their ability to inform anyone ever on politics.
Of course next week when all the polls have been tabulated and once again Trump is shown to have won with the republican base they will completely ignore the fact that they spent alll night tonight calling him the loser. It's just bizzare to me. I mean these folks are suppposed to be professionals how can they be so damn wrong consistently.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)sounding remotely like a grown-up.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)sounding and he barely got 1%. Outrageousness is prized. What gets me is Trump stood up there and said he believed in progressive taxation and raising taxes on the rich . When Democrats say the same thing , we're "taking away their freedom". The Republican mind mystifies me.