Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 02:19 PM Sep 2015

How anti-choicers talked themselves out of the humanity of actual people

Thoughts? Do you think the author of this has a point? Or is this an inappropriate comparison?

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/how-anti-choicers-talked-themselves-out-of-recognizing-the-humanity-of-actual-people/

I would like to take a moment to note that a side effect, which is probably a side benefit for right wingers, of this line of argumentation is that it also happens to reduce the moral responsibility for those that support fascism. As the clamor of nativist rhetoric grows louder, I can definitely see why conservatives might want more people believing that hard right, racist ideologies like Nazism weren’t that bad, because the people who supported them walked dogs.

This has always been a part of the “abortion is genocide!” argument, which is why it’s a popular one amongst more hardline conservatives. It isn’t just about trying to make abortion seem evil. It also happens to make genocide seem less bad, by hinting that the people who are exterminated have no more value than an embryo, that the loss of millions of people to the gas chambers and the loss of fertilized eggs to the normal churn of reproduction are the same thing. That this is a favored line of argument by people who, say, can’t recognize the humanity of the Syrian refugees is not a coincidence.

But that’s just a side benefit of this Efferson’s argument here. This is obviously just an extension of the general move in anti-choice circles to paint women who get abortions as braindead bimbos who don’t know any better and need to be forced into the “right” choice to show them the error of their sex-having ways. We’re supposed to be grateful she doesn’t think we’re monsters because we see through the obviously hyperbolic language that equates the loss of Ann Frank with the loss of a 12 week pregnancy.

2 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
How anti-choicers talked themselves out of the humanity of actual people (Original Post) gollygee Sep 2015 OP
It's a tried and true tactic. If you dont like the choice someone is making Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #1
Yes; the antiabortnoid "arguments" devalue actual people REP Sep 2015 #2

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
1. It's a tried and true tactic. If you dont like the choice someone is making
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 02:29 PM
Sep 2015

Just pretend they're not capable- intellectually, morally, what have you- of actually making that choice.

voila! Now you're not an authoritarian busybody trying to control other people, you're merely saving them from the nefarious forces which manipulate them.

REP

(21,691 posts)
2. Yes; the antiabortnoid "arguments" devalue actual people
Mon Sep 21, 2015, 02:32 PM
Sep 2015

Equating an embryo to a full-term born infant - or the victims of genocide - only demean and devalue the lives of people. I have a feeling that at least some of those frightened, desperate young women who give birth in secret and then kill their newborns may reason that what they're doing is no worse than an abortion.

Besides being insulting to the victims of genocide, it's just ridiculous. Individual women deciding on their own to terminate a pregnancy is not genocide. It is not a systematic program of slaughter carried out against members of a specific ethnic, racial, and/or religious group; it's a medical decision made by an idividual about her own body.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»How anti-choicers talked ...