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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI got into an an argument at the PO
Another customer started it by slamming Bonehead, which I didn't mind, but then he went on to say that President Obama had destroyed the country. A real live teabagger. Man, it felt so good to defend President Obama and his record, ACA, and knock republican jerks. I have been trying to make comments online only if I would say the same to someone's face. Well, today, I said a lot of things I didn't think I could say face-to-face. I didn't swear, and I was only a little sarcastic And I pissed the guy off. And he didn't piss me off.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Marthe48
(16,935 posts)I was really feeling it
tularetom
(23,664 posts)lpbk2713
(42,753 posts)And I doubt if they find it very often. They are just too stupid to give up trying.
You did good.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)seeking nods of agreement and approval...you just know they just got out of their car listening to Rush and are repeating something that they think will make them sound smart if they repeat it.
Idiots indeed.
jaxind
(1,074 posts)It's so hard not to get pissed off and just rant! I had a similar conversation, and it was with a friend (not even just some random person), but I couldn't contain myself...we both raised voices at each other!
I just keep it bottled up and change the subject and get really mad when I'm alone. My blood pressure is now high and I contribute it to American politics!
Marthe48
(16,935 posts)I surprised myself today, for sure.
Marthe48
(16,935 posts)Not good Most of my friends and I agree about politics. And with anyone else we steer clear. Hope after the argument, you and your friend raised a glass to each other.
Old Codger
(4,205 posts)went to a local shop to get some stuff, someone brought up the state of the economy... that seemed to give the cashier a reason to expound on Bernie, no way for that this gal was all Trump,Paul,Carson.... just had stand there with my jaw on the floor, I get very frightened when I hear this stuff... absolutely terrifying...
Marthe48
(16,935 posts)I usually don't, thinking of armed thugs with short tempers, etc. Got all fired up.
Old Codger
(4,205 posts)Smile and don;t say much of anything... but you have to know that there are some Dems that are also armed, minus the short tempers Mainly I try to ascertain whether or not they are die hard serious or maybe a little questioning and try to make my response accordingly, I could pretty much tell that nothing I could say was going to make one bit of difference, anyone who would name the top 3 worst possible candidates as their first choices is pretty much beyond reasoning with.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)But you do know you can't fix stupid right?
But I'll keep trying.
erronis
(15,237 posts)If only I can figger out this stoopid phone...
proud patriot
(100,705 posts)jalan48
(13,859 posts)My experience is that these authoritarian right wingers aren't used to people questioning them. Good for you!
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)Do you remember what you said? Can you recollect any sentences word-for-word?
I'm really intrigued by this because I'm wondering how I'd handle such an encounter. And I wonder what's the best way to handle it. I feel that being silent when someone makes a statement such as, "Trump has great plans for America!" is a mistake. But I also think that an attack that's so strong that it immediately throws up defenses and anger probably is a bad idea also.
So if anyone has ideas of how to ... say... plant a suggestion in someone's mind that they may be on the wrong track, I'd be happy to hear it.
On the other hand, some of the posters in this thread might be right about "you can't fix stupid."
Marthe48
(16,935 posts)being a government worker and taking it easy while he worked. The postmaster is friendly to everyone and well-liked.
She joshed him back about being a business owner and then looked at me and said, "Well, you know last year when they shut down the government, they got paid" and I said,"and the workers didn't."
Then I said, "Boehner is retiring." The guy said, "He is the worst thing that ever happened to the Republican Party." I was willing to let that pass
The postmaster said she hoped things would change and I agreed, saying, "I hope there are big changes soon."
I think the postmistress said something about President Obama, and the guy said, "That guy ruined the country." I was like what????
So I said, "He turned this country around!"
And he said, "He ruined healthcare. My rates went up and I'm mandated to carry it."
(No one should bring up healthcare to me or the economy, 2 real sore spots).
I said, "Read the last few pages of the ACA. The fine isn't going to be enforced. Under Bush, ORMET was allowed to declare bankruptcy, open the contract and take my husband's retirement benefits away. Under Bush, we went from paying zero a month for health benefits to paying over $500.00. Under Bush, I lost a 3rd of my IRA. Since Obama's been in office, I got back the loss, plus $5,000.00 more."
He said something about the economy, that Obama can't control it. Also about the housing bubble, which I pointed out deregulation under Bush caused. Then I said, "Do you watch FOX news?"
He said, "I get my news from everywhere! I'm very well-informed!"
I said, "I'm not hearing it." (yes, here is the sarcasm)
I got a little distracted here, so I lost a little of the comments. I think someone else came in the lobby.
He said, "You just vote for what's good for you."
I said, "Everybody does. You vote with your pocketbook." He tried to disagree and I said, "That's human." I thumped my side and said, "Your vote is right there. It's how it is. And I donate to things I support. If I am doing good, I want to pass it along. And it isn't trickle down economics. It's from the heart."
And I paid the postmaster and left.
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)I especially like how you concluded. Great job.
Thanks for recounting the details. It makes it that much more fun!
Marthe48
(16,935 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)..but you modeled how to do it to any bystanders.
Person 2713
(3,263 posts)libodem
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Marthe48
(16,935 posts)n/t
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)in the Post Office, the very place his party is trying to bankrupt and put these good people out on the street?
Just for a little extra sumthing. lol
Marthe48
(16,935 posts)and before all this happened the postmaster and I were having such a pleasant chat
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)WiffenPoof
(2,404 posts)Can you expand on what you said to the teabagger?
Paige
Marthe48
(16,935 posts)I appreciate all the support here.
I hope other people post their experiences. I don't expect to make that guy change his mind. But maybe I said something that will niggle in his memory.
randys1
(16,286 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)so many of us fail. I can type a good argument but heaven help me if I let my temper fly I am lost.
Good job.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)Kath1
(4,309 posts)I used to shy away from those types of situations but I got so sick of people lying and attacking Obama over every little thing that I had to respond. Sounds like you did an excellent job!
"And I pissed the guy off. And he didn't piss me off ." - Beautiful, sister, just beautiful! PEACE!
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forest444
(5,902 posts)I had recently moved to a new town, and was making my first visit to the local post office - an WPA-built Early American Revival beauty, complete with a Realist mural honoring local fishermen.
The old-timer behind me in line struck up a conversation, asking me how I like living here and such. I complemented the town and the people (in all sincerity), as well as the post office, and asked him if this was a WPA building.
"That's right. One of FDR's."
And the he added: "And now we got these n***ers running around the White House."
I didn't say anything, but the conversation was over.
Marthe48
(16,935 posts)My husband and I met a guy who was interested in antiques and he came to our house 3 times. The third time he came, he talked to us about his religion, which was sort of Christian animistic, I think, and then went on to talk about WV history. He used the n* word. We froze him out. I think he knew right away he was way off base and apologized, but the friendship didn't develop. My husband and I are sensitive about using certain words--we both had racist families and we do not want to be like them. I can't wait until people stop using insults to describe other people