In New Documentary, KKK says Auschwitz a 'Summer Camp' for Jews

[struggle4progress]

By Tova Dvorin
9/29/2015, 12:42 PM

... "At these death camps they gave the so-called people that were being killed cigarettes, there was coffee, there was a movie theater, there was a library, and even a swimming pool in Auschwitz," he adds.

"If you're going to sit there and kill all these people then how come all these things would be in there, it's more like a summer camp" ...

The documentary explores .. a set of Klansmen in rural Alabama .. convinced they are on the front lines of an upcoming race war ...

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/201187#.Vgp0jLRVhHw

The lyin racist shizzheads!

[leftynyc]

1. As more and more survivors die

and more and more schools don't teach history, more and more are going to believe this. The klan knows the magnitude of nazi crimes is so horrific, people are going to want NOT to believe it.

[Behind the Aegis]

16. Correct.

It is literally history repeating itself. When the reports about the death camps were coming out, people didn't believe it, even the Jews in the States didn't believe it; the idea was too horrific. Education about the Holocaust is sadly lacking, even here it was described as "Jewish history", and people didn't even recognize



as offensive.

[Behind the Aegis]

25. You did see this didn't you?

Concentration camp survivor Francine Christophe interview - part of "HUMAN"

It is one of the more uplifting ones I have seen.

I also wrote my own piece about Babi Yar.

[leftynyc]

26. Can't watch now

but promise I will soon. Hope all is well with you.

[Initech]

30. In high school, we watched Schindler's List.

As well as lots of documentaries about World War 2 and the holocaust. I never fully understood why people worked so hard to keep the full extent of Nazi crimes hidden from us, until I got older and started reading about US business involvement in the development of Nazi Germany, particularly the contributions of one Prescott Bush. No fucking wonder.

[Zorra]

31. "Never Again, Never Forget"...it's not just a Jewish thing.

We must teach our children well, so that they may never be the next victims of fascist hate.

[Recursion]

2. It was a labor camp for the first year, I think?

In 1940 the SS was still killing Jews and Poles by taking them out into the woods and shooting them (more died that way than were gassed, ultimately).

It's kind of odd that Auschwitz wound up as the symbol of the Final Solution, because in many ways it was unique. Part of it remained a labor camp until the Soviets "liberated" it, whereas Treblinka, Belzec, etc. were 100% extermination from their outset.

But, anyways, there probably was coffee, cigarettes, and swimming pools at some point in Auschwitz. It's always important to figure out what kernel of fact bullshit was built on...

[gollygee]

3. No, it isn't true

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2010/lying-about-auschwitz

Perhaps that’s because it’s all false. Long-time Auschwitz commandant Rudolf Hoess, in the autobiography he wrote shortly before his execution, described how Heinrich Himmler in 1941 “himself gave me the order to prepare installations at Auschwitz where mass exterminations could take place,” and then detailed the entire horrifying process, including gassings he personally witnessed. Filip Muller, a prisoner who worked for three years in the crematoria but survived, described unbelievably brutal exterminations. And so did thousands of others.

But Carolyn Yeager did stroll through Auschwitz and Birkenau seven decades later, and she’s pretty sure the guides didn’t give her the real lowdown. One Auschwitz gas chamber was “really a morgue,” later turned into an air raid shelter. Over at Birkenau, there was a “beautiful, modern hygiene building” where arriving prisoners had their hair shorn, but that also occasionally doubled “as a ballroom.” SS guards there regularly socialized with prisoners, with a number of love affairs resulting in postwar marriages. Guards and inmates “enjoyed friendly competition on Saturday afternoons and Sundays, with enthusiastic cheering sections.”

Actually, Yeager, a relatively new face in denialist circles, seems to have had something of an attitude long before she brought her analytical abilities to Auschwitz. On her website, she describes growing up in a “white home town” in the Midwest, the daughter of a German-American father who complained about “the dishonest Jews who cheated him and the Negroes who stole from him.”

She says she was a liberal for a time, “sympathetic to the plight of the coloreds,” but in the late 1990s began to read conspiracist literature and “learned the truth” about the takeover of the American monetary system “by mainly Jewish and foreign bankers.” She “let go” her fear of being called an anti-Semite. “Finally,” she writes, “I was drawn to National Socialism as a viable alternative, learning about its true nature as opposed to the lies I had been taught.”

[Recursion]

4. Right, it was built in 1940 and became an extermination camp in 1941

In the interim it housed Polish political prisoners, who stayed there doing forced labor throughout the war.

[gollygee]

7. They didn't have a swimming pool

There was a resevoir for water, and I've heard that later in the war there were diving boards put on for SS officers, but it was at no time a wonderful place. Polish political prisoners were not treated well either.

Edit: I've read that SS guards had a theater they could go to as well. Maybe this woman is thinking of what was available for the SS guards.

[jwirr]

21. I absolutely hate to say it but you are correct. There were

German American supporters of the Nazis. I personally sat in a Bible study group where one such ass would continually say a well known phrase in German that made my father so angry it was not even funny. It was open support in a German American neighborhood where the majority of us had sons, brothers and fathers in the US Army fighting the Nazis.

In the 70s there was a religious news paper written by a denier. I do not remember the name of it but I think it was located in Nebraska.

[GoneFishin]

5. These psychos are smart enough to weave a kernel of truth into their bullcrap in order to sell it.

I agree that it is important to understand where and how the tiny bit of truth is woven into the story in order to completely unravel their mountain of bullshit.

[struggle4progress]

6. The full spectrum of the concentration camps is difficult to grasp, because there were so many;

because they were not all the same; and because the German regime lied about nearly everything. The total number of camps was around 20000. Dachau, the first, was established in 1933 to imprison political opponents. There were also POW camps, slave labor camps, and mass killing camps. Use of innocuous-sounding euphemisms (such as "resettlement in the east" for "send to killing center&quot was official policy. What is often called Auschwitz was actually a complex of several large camps, that ultimately included POWs, slave laborers, and persons destined for industrial murder. From the earliest days, much of that was built by prisoner labor, but under sadistic conditions, including arbitrary brutality -- including beatings, shootings, and hangings -- that very few prisoners survived

[COLGATE4]

11. Don't forget about Birkenau, a/k/a Auschwitz II

Birkenau (2 kms away from the main Auschwitz facilities) was a pure extermination camp. After being 'selected' on the train ramp, most of the new 'arrivals' were hustled directly off to Birkenau for their 'shower'. Any amenities at Auschwitz were undoubtedly there for the guards, not the prisoners (and more especially, not the Jews). Just more vile holocaust revisionism.

[Recursion]

15. Very good point (nt)

[Behind the Aegis]

19. It was a symbol of The Final Solution because of the sheer numbers murdered.

You are correct there were other camps which were solely death factories. What many don't know about Auschwitz is there were actually two camps; the main one was a labor camp, and the expansion, often called Auschwitz-Birkenau or Auschwitz II., which was the extermination camp located about 2 miles north of the main camp. Auschwitz I did have many of the amenities listed (I have never heard about a swimming pool), but they were for the SS and also included a brothel. There is also a famous Red Cross video from that time showing the concentration camps as a "summer camp" which was used for propaganda.

I don't know that your correct in your assertion more people were killed by the SS in the forests (actually most was done in the open after pits were dug) than in the death/labor camps. While that is certainly how and when the Holocaust started, the incredible number of those liquidated in the camps were likely move voluminous than the initial killings and destruction of towns and shtetls .

[Recursion]

23. That comparison is from "Black Earth" by Timothy Snyder

Depressing as hell book, but very informative. His thesis is that the Nazis had to create "stateless spaces" for the extermination to happen in. So, in Poland the mass shootings largely stopped with the creation of the General Government but continued throughout the war on occupied Soviet land, and even late in the war a Dutch or French passport would often mean the difference between concentration and extermination; Anne Frank died of thyphoid not Zyklon.

What was really interesting was how he connected Kristalnacht to the Anschluss. It was largely a copy of the "spontaneous" pogrom in Austria but caused a significant backlash in German popular opinion (which opened the door for the Long Knives).

But, anyways, Snyder estimated it as 4 million shot by the Einsatzgruppen or by collaborators, which exceeds the carbon monixide and Zyklon death tolls.

[Behind the Aegis]

24. I'll have to look for it.

I have searched and searched and I can't anything that confirms your (his) numbers, nor anything which definitively disproves it. I don't doubt that the Einsatzgruppen totals surpass the CO2 and Zyklon deaths, but not the number of deaths in the camps, including those starved to death and shot.

Anyway, your post reminded me of something I was going to do which was post about Babbi Yar on the anniversary of that event; so I did: The Little Known Holocaust, Before the Death Camps: Babi Yar. I was watching a documentary about the pre-death camp killings and that stuck out to me in a big way. Our conversation reminded me of it...so thank you!

[Recursion]

33. Yeah, he was specifically comparing shootings just to gassing

And actually I think the people shot in the camps were included in his number; his point was that bullets killed more Jews, Poles, and Gypsies than gas did.

I saw your post and thought immediately of the book; Babi Yar features heavily in it. It and the liquidation of Vilnius are kind of his key narratives. Though I have to say I knew almost nothing about Vilnius going in. The pattern there was astounding: it was the largest Jewish center in the Baltic and so became a huge center for refugees. Many people fled from Poland there, but in general the further you were from state institutions the less safe you were, so Germany itself was paradoxically safer for Jews than occupied Poland, which was safer than the Baltics or occupied Russia.

[ProfessorGAC]

8. They Do Know There Is Film of The Outcome, Don't They?

Even though i concur with someone upthread who said survivors are dying off and history is ill taught, there are films of what those places did.

There's no unlearning something that is on film, in multiple locations in multiple countries.

[Ilsa]

9. They'll just claim it's faked, CGI, etc. An ex-friend

said Obama's birth certificate and even the microfilm birth announcement in the newspaper was a plant. At that point, I realized the level of her paranoia and suspicion and I knew that this and other crap would get in the way of our friendship soon.

[ProfessorGAC]

14. I Can See That

[lonestarnot]

10. Ignorant fucking twit. Do people actually waste time looking at this type of bullshit?

[struggle4progress]

12. It's a BBC documentary on an Alabama Klan group, I think

[lonestarnot]

13. Oh. That wasn't clear, but reading early this am

[KamaAina]

17. Uh, okay. I say Leavenworth is a 'Summer Camp' for Klansmen.

[jwirr]

18. If those things were there and it is a big IF they were for

the people running the camp just like we have these in many of our military camps throughout the world today.

It is also possible that things like cigarettes and coffee were in Red Cross packages during the few times that they were allowed to "inspect" the camps to convince the world that nothing bad was going on. I think they were handed out while the RC workers were watching but you wonder just how long they got to keep them after the RC workers left.

[Behind the Aegis]

20. Those things were there, and you are also correct; they were for the "staff".

I am glad to see someone else touched on the Red Cross because they were instrumental in the propaganda used by the Nazis in regards to the detention camps. On the very few times they visited a camp, they were given a 'dog and pony' show and went back saying "things ain't so bad" to the powers that be.

[jwirr]

22. The RC was easily led. Unfortunately much of the world had

been taken in by the propaganda regarding Jewish people and money. It was around long before the Nazis. And most of our ancestors came from the place it all started - Europe.
It would not be beyond the possibility that those RC "inspectors" shared some of this belief. But I am sure that the Nazis did everything they could to cover up what was really happening.

Even today we are very gullible when it comes to man's inhumanity to man.

[tabasco]

27. Let's invite them to summer camp and see if they accept. n/t

[NaturalHigh]

28. Anybody who would make light of the death camps isn't even human.

[joeybee12]

29. They need to ask such asshats to produce any documents, recordings, etc.

from right after the War where they can find anyone denying these camps existed...they can't produce that...because the evidence was overwhelming...

[AlinPA]

32. Sounds like it could be a GOP talking point.

[sakabatou]

34. It was also made of gumdrops and icecream