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kpete

(71,986 posts)
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 10:59 AM Sep 2015

‘This wasn’t an abortion': CNN forces anti-Planned Parenthood group to admit Fiorina was wrong

“But if you’re talking about organ harvesting and abortions and how terrible they are why would you use a stillborn fetus, which is not a function of an abortion?” Cuomo asked.

“It’s the same baby, whether it’s born dead or alive, whether the organs are harvested or not,” Daleiden replied.

“It’s also completely irrelevant to the point you’re trying to make, which is, ‘Look at what they do to these babies,'” the CNN host pressed. “It was born stillborn. It was not aborted. Doesn’t that matter to you if you’re talking about abortion?”

“It’s the same kind of fetus,” Daleiden continued to insist.

“My point is context,” Cuomo shot back. “You’re saying, ‘what they do in abortions,’ that wasn’t an abortion. That’s my point.”

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/this-wasnt-an-abortion-cnn-forces-anti-planned-parenthood-group-to-admit-fiorina-was-wrong/
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‘This wasn’t an abortion': CNN forces anti-Planned Parenthood group to admit Fiorina was wrong (Original Post) kpete Sep 2015 OP
Typical Rethuglican tactics - when finally caught in a lie, COLGATE4 Sep 2015 #1
Yep. Caught like a spider in a web of lies the cons spin another web to hang their lying on. Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #6
"It was the same kind of fetus" Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #2
That's What I Thought, Too Erich ProfessorGAC Sep 2015 #3
"Yeah, it wasn't a Klingon" BlueJazz Sep 2015 #4
Sorry! (eom) ProfessorGAC Sep 2015 #10
Two Points About Dalieden Being Busted In This Interview Vogon_Glory Sep 2015 #5
These days they're getting called on their lies malaise Sep 2015 #7
How was it a stillborn baby had a heartbeat and was kicking? Human101948 Sep 2015 #8
The term they should be using is "miscarriage" jmowreader Sep 2015 #16
The only way they will understand the difference is when they get Baitball Blogger Sep 2015 #9
Let's see if Stinkorina continues to run with her lie. SoapBox Sep 2015 #11
President Stinkorina fadedrose Sep 2015 #12
Good for CNN... CanSocDem Sep 2015 #13
Their stance against CNN is as relevant as floriduck Sep 2015 #14
I've been wondering, given the revelation of the stillborn child in the video, Vinca Sep 2015 #15
And sue the mother vankuria Sep 2015 #17
God told her to do it. *eye rolls*. nt cry baby Sep 2015 #21
The video Wonkette linked has no audio in it jmowreader Sep 2015 #18
They musta added it. Ligyron Sep 2015 #19
The anti abortion guy said in this interview that it was a late cry baby Sep 2015 #20

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
1. Typical Rethuglican tactics - when finally caught in a lie,
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 11:02 AM
Sep 2015

just 'create your own reality' wherein a stillborn child is exactly the same thing as an abortion.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
6. Yep. Caught like a spider in a web of lies the cons spin another web to hang their lying on.
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 11:20 AM
Sep 2015

I truly believe the PP smear will cost the Republicans dearly, as Boehner knew and so quit. Letting the idiots of the party take all the blame and derision they all so richly deserve.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
2. "It was the same kind of fetus"
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 11:02 AM
Sep 2015

Human?

Really, this is why the right is constantly ridiculed for doing things like 'make American great!' commercials that use pictures of Chinese steelworkers or English pastures. They don't actually start from facts and reality, they decide upon what they want to be reality, and then just pull together whatever stock footage they think depicts the reality they want.

ProfessorGAC

(65,010 posts)
3. That's What I Thought, Too Erich
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 11:07 AM
Sep 2015

Same kind? Yeah, it wasn't a Klingon. So it's the same kind. Well, they're ALL the same kind ain't they?

Vogon_Glory

(9,117 posts)
5. Two Points About Dalieden Being Busted In This Interview
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 11:14 AM
Sep 2015

Two points about Daleiden getting busted in this interview:

First, it looks that for whatever "noble" reasons Daleiden used that footage, he was presenting false evidence as real.

Second: women currently bearing children or planning to bear children ought to take note of Daleiden's mindset. A mindset that insists on equating stillborn and aborted fetuses is also the sort of mindset that would pass legislation that would prosecute and imprison women not just for having or seeking abortions, but for having miscarriages as well.

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
16. The term they should be using is "miscarriage"
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 02:17 PM
Sep 2015

It wasn't stillborn, but it was delivered before the point of fetal viability - which, for all the Republican trolls we may have lurking here, means the age before the fetus can survive outside the womb. Not even in a nation with advanced medical care would this fetus have been able to survive, because its lungs haven't gotten to the point where they can extract oxygen from air.

Baitball Blogger

(46,703 posts)
9. The only way they will understand the difference is when they get
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 11:32 AM
Sep 2015

sued and have to pay for their misrepresentation and defamation.

 

CanSocDem

(3,286 posts)
13. Good for CNN...
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 01:55 PM
Sep 2015


...and for Chris Cuomo who was relentless in calling out Daleiden. As it always nice to stray from MSNBC when Nicole is a guest, I tuned into CNN just in time to watch the interview.

CNN surprises me sometimes...



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floriduck

(2,262 posts)
14. Their stance against CNN is as relevant as
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 02:02 PM
Sep 2015

A) Questioning Cecile Richard's salary; B) What PP's monthly travel budget is; C) How can PP be a non-profit if its annual donations exceeds its expenses and on and on.

They don't even attempt to look and sound legitimate. If I could only select which legislators my tax dollars go to.....

Vinca

(50,269 posts)
15. I've been wondering, given the revelation of the stillborn child in the video,
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 02:15 PM
Sep 2015

if this group really did add audio about keeping it alive to harvest the brain. It's such a horrible, horrible claim I hope PP sues them into oblivion.

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
18. The video Wonkette linked has no audio in it
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 02:33 PM
Sep 2015

Why do I get the strange feeling this was from a hospital in the Third World?

Ligyron

(7,632 posts)
19. They musta added it.
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 02:34 PM
Sep 2015

The mother said the pics were of a preemie they named Walter who only lived a few minutes and never mentioned anyone wanting to harvest it's brain.

The film part(s) were really old from the looks of 'em and several ob/gyn docs who watched it later said from the equip used and background, etc., it may well have been from another country entirely and as long as 15 years ago from the protocol.

Yeah, they most def did a voice over alrite.

cry baby

(6,682 posts)
20. The anti abortion guy said in this interview that it was a late
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 03:46 PM
Sep 2015

term abortion that was in the video.

How do they get away with the lies??? They infuriate me!

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