So You Can Deny, Even As A Public Servant, Any Services That Violates Your Religion.

[TheMastersNemesis]

The Pope has spoken that you can deny any public service that is against religion. So I guess any person of any belief system can deny or stop a service that is against religious law. And by the same token you can refuse to obey any law that violates your ability to practice a certain activity by making that activity illegal.

Of course that mean only Christian or approved religions. As far as sharia. Verboten.

I guess the Pope has spoken.

[mmonk]

1. The answer is no according to the US

Constitution. But you can embrace corporatism and service to the rich with Citizens United. Go ahead.

[Hortensis]

15. Yes, and it must be a PRINCIPLED civil disobedience.

As I pointed out in another thread, Pope Francis strikingly did NOT meet publicly with Americas's only currently nationally discussed example of civil disobedience. He was not seen with her and did not make a statement on her behavior. That was carefully not an endorsement of her, but he knew she would talk and the subject of civil disobedience would be discussed further.

And highly questionable as her mixed bag of motives may be, details are not only far more well known here, but she is far more despised here by our own group of religious aggression loathers than across America at large.

“The future of humanity does not lie solely in the hands of great leaders, the great powers and the elites.” The future “It is fundamentally in the hands of peoples and in their ability to organize. It is in their hands, which can guide with humility and conviction this process of change. I am with you.” Francis

[sarisataka]

2. Has the Pope's opinion

been included as authoritative and precedent in the U.S. judicial system?

[roamer65]

3. The pope does not make American law.

His opinion of our laws is exactly that...opinion and nothing else.

[TheMastersNemesis]

5. I Am Just Stating What US Fundy Christians Believe & Continue To Act On.

I think we are just so nuts these days. Christians are saying they will continue to defy the law and none of us will stop them. the rest of us can get screwed.

[YabaDabaNoDinoNo]

4. Yup white and the right kind of Christian one can literally get away with murder

In da USA

[spanone]

6. no, you can't. that's why ms. davis went to jail.

[TheMastersNemesis]

7. She Is Still Breaking The Law. Judge Has Not Acted. Probably Threatened.

[Marrah_G]

8. The pope has nothing to do with American Law

[procon]

9. How many backup clerks will government need to hire to accommodate everyone's religious beliefs?

And who is paying for all those extra employees? Expanding the theme, what about ALL the other government workers who will each want to have their own religious beliefs forced on a captive public needing to access basic govt services? How many more cops, firefighters, nurses and teachers will be needed... and let's not forget the military!

[wendylaroux]

11. Exactly!

and,is davis still being paid I wonder?

[LannyDeVaney]

10. So, Catholics can now refuse to offer counseling to child molestation victims ..

I mean, just so they stay consistent.

[jwirr]

12. One always has the option of objecting but as a fan of

Thoreau I learned long ago that does not mean that one can avoid the consequences. Consequences are the job of the state. Fire her.

[MineralMan]

13. I don't think the Pope actually said that, really.

But, it doesn't matter for this reason: The Pope has no authority in the United States at all. He may have an opinion, but it has nothing behind it that can change anything in this country.

He doesn't even have a vote here. We can all safely ignore his comments.

That is the crux of the thing. Kim Davis is subject to the rulings of the court. And that's that.

[Hortensis]

16. I think the Pope wants auto company employees to refuse to "just follow orders."

Multiply that by everyone everywhere who just goes along with wrongdoing, even great evil, like the clerks who send out insurance letters wrongfully denying coverage to avoid paying large claims. He wants us to say, "No! I will not allow this to happen." That's what this is about.

[Generic Other]

14. I think he said one could be a conscientious objector not that it was a get out of jail free card

I know a priest who was a conscientious objector. He broke in to the School of the Americas, tried to stop nuclear arms shipments, scaled fences of military bases to oppose our military involvement. And he went to jail multiple times for his actions. He was a true conscientious objector. Thoreau who refused to pay a war tax was a conscientious objector. He also went to jail.

Ms. Davis refuses to uphold the oath of office she took by claiming conscientious objector status? Then she must face the consequences of her actions. She can refuse to do her job as a conscientious objector, but she can't expect not to face consequences. She should not be rewarded for obstructing the law. Let her express her free speech rights as a private citizen, but she should not be allowed to infringe on other citizens' rights as the representative of the state. If she wishes to go on a hunger strike, that's one thing and might do her some good! Otherwise, she needs to do the job she was elected to do or be ousted from the position. I fully support anyone's right to demand she be relieved of her duties permanently as a consequence of her actions. Afterwards, she's free to milk her 15 seconds of fame any way she chooses as a private citizen on her own dime.