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"One dead, three wounded in latest US university shooting"
The key word to me is "LATEST".....this is where we are now - just waiting for the next one. It's crazy.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)This wasn't a "school shooting" in terms of someone coming onto a campus and shooting up classrooms. This happened out in a parking lot at 1:20 in the morning, resulting from a fight between two "groups of students."
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)At least according to ABC news.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)I was trying to convey that with my use of "out in a parking lot," but that was pretty vague. Moar coffee...it's early(ish) out here on the Left Coast!
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)Take your guns to college by all means, just in case you get in a fight and need to kill someone.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)I have no idea if that would have prevented this shooting (the shooter was 18 years old and thus not legally entitled to own that handgun in the first place), but campuses should have the right to prohibit weapons.
SoCalMusicLover
(3,194 posts)That would violate my 2nd amendment right to carry a weapon at all times. ESPECIALLY in Oregon, where open carry is allowed, if not encouraged.
No, let's forget about the guns, it's the mental issue which is the problem.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Oregon has a state-level open carry law, but individual municipalities and counties can elect to prohibit it. It's the one explicit exemption to state pre-emption on gun laws. My city and county (Portland, Multnomah) both prohibit open carry.
I understand the arguments for "constitutional carry" (legal concealed carry w/o special permit for anyone legally eligible to have a gun at all). I just don't embrace them. FWIW, I have a CCW permit.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Nothing to see here. Move along....
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)...that's what I'd have written.
It's not a trivial distinction: the steps you'd take to prevent actual school shootings aren't necessarily the same as you'd take to prevent (probably) drunken brawls in the middle of the night between student groups.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Give me a break.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)I suspect there may well have been cameras (we'll probably know soon enough), and I rather doubt there would have been a security guard on duty at 1:20 in the morning.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)countingbluecars
(4,766 posts)Punkingal
(9,522 posts)Like Ben Carson and other deranged people suggest would solve these problems.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)Every single day 30 or so people are murdered by guns in this country, and another 250 or so wounded. Think of it as just the start (since this happened in the very early hours of the morning) of the usual.
I have often posted here my utter opposition to all gun ownership, and frequently point out that the statistics on how many people die every year thanks to guns, that there's an untold number of those wounded, possibly maimed for life along with the deaths. I recently came across the figure of 97,000 people shot in this country in 2012. That number didn't indicate if it was all those shot, wounded and killed, or just the wounded, but it's still a pretty impressive number.
In most of the mass shootings, many more are merely wounded than killed. It's generally when someone decides to kill his wife/girlfriend, their kids, and maybe a couple of others unfortunate enough to be on the premises, then kills himself, that everyone involved dies. The Sandy Hook shooting is a bit of an anomaly, as there were only two wounded who survived, while he killed 26, then himself. Columbine: 13 killed, 21 injured. Aurora: 12 killed, 70 injured. And so on.
And yes, this is merely the latest. These things will continue so long as there are all those guns out there. Despite the assurances from all the gun nuts that gun deaths are declining in this country. Wow. How wonderful. But meanwhile, we can't possible do anything and just have to accept that every single day people will be murdered by guns in this country. Nothing to see here at all.
Myrina
(12,296 posts).... the dude who "stood up" to the shooter was concealed-carrying. In a school. A "GUN FREE" zone.
Why was he not cited after the fact?