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Hayden Long, a 16-year-old sophomore student at a high school in Ohio, took his own life after reportedly enduring verbal attacks from school officials after being accused of "smelling like" weed. Following Long's tragic passing, his friend and classmate Hank Sigel wrote an open letter placing the bulk of the blame on those school officials and local police. Sigel recounts that administrators told Hayden he had "ruined his life" by smoking weed, adding that he and other students "would fail their classes" and had made the "biggest mistake of their life."
Sigel and Long were reportedly among six teenagers, described as honor students and athletes, accused of smoking weed before a school dance. The students were then interrogated by two Geneva High School administrators and one off-duty police officer, according to Raw Story. Sigel's open letter, which was widely shared across social media, tells the story of a very misguided and downright maddening approach to discipline:
(link to letter: http://imgur.com/yU6jAYU )
Scuba
(53,475 posts)erronis
(17,117 posts)Just like the Global War on Terror, the Global War on Drugs is a gift that keeps on giving - to the profiteers within and just outside the government.
Your graph makes me feel ill thinking about how much taxpayers are footing the bill/invoices of contractors, consultants, lobbyists, congressthings. All with no benefits to the country or the taxpayers.
BTW, what is the source of this graph?
Fascism at it's finest.
SamKnause
(13,871 posts)The U.S. got 150 countries to sign on to their war against cannabis.
Almost 8 decades later, and the crime continues.
Initech
(102,467 posts)Marijuana prohibition was the biggest mistake we ever made in this country. Too bad we had to bring the world with it.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)1monster
(11,026 posts)for the future that that they are unable to cope with serious obstacles they encounter. This young man was told his life was ruined, that he was going to fail all of his courses, and pretty much that his life was over. He couldn't handle it.
It doesn't take a disturbed mind to be so devastated that life doesn't seem worth living any more. All it takes is a serious shock to the system and not enough time to recover a sense of balance and reason.
People who so bully kids at such a vulnerable age should never be allowed in education at all.
Having worked in education for nearly a decade and a half, I believe that for every bully working in education, there are at least 75 educators who are dedicated to doing the best they can for the students. Unfortunately, that leaves too many who are bullies. And for some reason, the bullies always seem to make it to administrative positions.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)LuckyLib
(6,909 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)life is so worthless they can treat a neighbor like this, and bully a child to his death.
These administrators should be arrested for murder.
They could have, instead, introduced him to the medical marijuana clinic owner here in Spokane. Clinic for sale for $2.7 million dollars.
Between the weed and the real estate, the owner, the same age as the school admins, will make more in a year than any of those school administrators and teachers will make in their lifetimes. Perhaps more than they could teach the kids in their charge to make, incompetent buffoons that they are.
Sad fuckers. They need to get what they deserve.
As far as that ratio of 75 to 1, it seems incredibly self-serving. Some teachers may not soak switches in vinegar for the black kids any longer (because, as the teachers back then confided in Kozol's book, "Their skins are thicker, you know" .
Today they are much slicker. They don't need clubs, they have the police. The "School to Prison Pipeline" in Chicago, and many other cities, stands as proof.
Heck, they don't even have to send them to prison. For an example of slavery without chains - Texas, where they re-wrote the textbooks to make slavery appear more voluntary. It took a PARENT to complain - not one of those so-called teachers appeared to be willing to risk their salary by refusing to teach white lies that support white privilege disseminated by the school system. http://www.nbcnews.com/video/parents-complaint-about-textbook-goes-viral-540638275928
I worked as a grad student at a university where I got my degree in adult ed. One of the classes I taught was ed philosophy.
I never will forget the day one of them came in, so proud of the fact that she gave an F to a kid for not coloring what he was supposed to. She was congratulated by some of the other students.
This was what she was trained to do on the job. I thought, "Great, the kid only has 11 years of this left".
The schools talk john dewey and experience, but in practice far too many adhere to michelle duggar and blanket training.
Then again, I left before graduation, got a GED, and joined the Navy, because teachers and parents were busy turning over the school buses transporting the black kids being sent there.
It's no wonder that black parents send their kids out thinking there is a target on their backs. It's a sorry school system that paints it there.
People ask why there is so much hate. It's because it is being taught, at home, and at school.
I notice opinions vary on this, especially if people get paid to do this and get all defensive. Figures. Proof that they care more about themselves than they do about the kids.
1monster
(11,026 posts)is different than others. Given my experiences, the one in seventy-five is high, but I'm aware things are different in other school districts and other areas.
I imagine that things are way different in Chicago, which apparently has not had adequate administration in decades...
As for the school to prison pipeline, I have decried having sheriff's substations in the schools since it was first announced.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)school get into those discussions with adults who come to talk to them - you see it here and there.
This one was a financial guru, and these kids were pumping him for stock tips. They still have a theater department in their school. <G> Liberal arts figure heavily in the curriculum, but mostly before the U.S. was founded. They have a soccer field.
I contrast that with the schools here, (not the private ones), where the football field is nicely mown, and the baseball diamond has an outfield with sprinkler system. They have a fake cash register setup, so the kids can learn to hand change back correctly, and can be trained as baristas for the new low-wage economy. They try to teach computer stuff, but most anyone with an aptitude leaves the instruction hopelessly behind, and the rest are using time they could better invest in something else, 'cause they obviously don't want to be there.
They don't get visitors that tell them about finance. They have play days, with big loudspeakers and (I swear) oldies and some other music, while they walk around the ball field.
I wonder how many will be paying student loans out of their social security, or if that system will have collapsed by then.
Sheriff's stations in subschools. Some of the schools got rid of music. I guess they need something to fill that empty room with.
questionseverything
(10,293 posts)i echo that thought
i wish the union of teachers would not include principals or admins as it makes it really hard to get rid of them
putting the principal above teachers is a huge part of the problem with the charter school bs too
hunter
(39,040 posts)... but my mom has serious problems with authorities of any sort.
Is it genetic, or something else?
When I got in trouble at school for anything, administrators at first hesitated, and then eventually stopped calling her altogether. (Times as they were meant my dad was always at work. Schools didn't call dads at work, they always called moms at home or work.)
My mom would always go mama grizzly bear and it was about 50-50% odds she'd scold me or rip the ass off some teacher or administrator whenever school called.
The way I felt about it, and judging now as a parent, my mom was always right when she judged the school wrong, maybe only half the time right when she blamed me since at times I didn't want to stir up any more trouble and could handle my parent's disapproval.
One of my kids is a high intensity achiever, a straight A+ student throughout high school, and accepted to many fine colleges and universities, and the graduate of a great one. But blind respect of authority simply isn't a part of the family heritage, on either side.
Not yielding to authority is, in fact, how most of my children's ancestors ended up in the Americas. The rest, on my wife's side were already here when the Europeans first arrived.
This story makes me so angry and sad. I want to rip the asses off these local goon school administrators and cops whose collective intelligence is probably far, far less than the poor kid they tortured into suicide.
Generic Other
(29,000 posts)NutmegYankee
(16,329 posts)Not on casual drug use - but on moral support. The kid's mom sends out a response saying she doesn't hold the School Officials responsible. Now how fucked up of a mother do you have to be that your concern is to respect the evil authorities who "murdered" your son rather than go for their fucking scalps?
1monster
(11,026 posts)erronis
(17,117 posts)The father who failed his kid, even tho the kid didn't live with the father. I personally don't hold this father responsible. Frequently family alienation causes a lot of distress that certain individuals don't handle well.
I do agree with your analysis of the mother in this case - she will probably live in regret of her response for a very long time.
Oneironaut
(5,804 posts)I have more than enough experience with these morons to make that call.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)It's a mistake to think the young are the future when the adults train them to be just as fucked up as they are.
Gotta fix the adults first, the ones who are sure they aren't broken.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)Stuart G
(38,726 posts)Here is another link from a Cleveland Ohio TV Station...more info..
http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-news/oh-lake/geneva-high-school-community-remembers-quarterback-hayden-long
Eric J in MN
(35,620 posts)"Drug Education" may sound like it means educating kids about drugs.
But in reality, "Drug Education" means vicious rants against drugs.
It's a type of education which people are better off without.
This case doesn't involve formal "Drug Education" but those school officials probably believed that they were educating the kids about drugs.
ybbor
(1,605 posts)They are so brainwashed regarding drugs and how "evil" they are. If they ever knew about my past they would surely be freaked out.
The health class teacher demonizes anyone who would ever think about using drugs, and is freaking out over the soon to be reality that pot is going to be legal.
The idea and fact that these kids lives will be ruined about smoking weed is disgusting. Maybe it would do these ignorant fucks some good to smoke a fatty and chill the fuck out.
Peace
Stuart G
(38,726 posts)Last edited Sat Oct 10, 2015, 03:32 PM - Edit history (1)
probably are closet drunks...yes indeed............
Stuart G
(38,726 posts)A small town 30 miles east of Cleveland.. .. approximately 6000 people living in Geneva..
according to this article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_High_School_(Ohio)
from Wikipedia.....there are approximately 800 students..
this is a truly ugly story..This kid was a quarterback on football team..and a leader..
So that is the reason the administration would have verbally beat him up...to make an example of him...Witnesses say that they singled him out for verbal abuse...This one will get very ugly..It seems the parents are not believing the witness. (according to one of the articles that has been posted) ..It could be that the parents do not want to offend the district, cause they have been warned not to..
The parents are acting like they have no legal representation..The school district will try to hide this one forever to protect the principal and the assistant principal who administered the verbal abuse.. and the police officer..
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)They have since built a new one. He showed me where he snuck through the fence because he lived right behind it. He graduated from Ashtabula High (town nearby) in 1929.
The parents should definitely sue the school district and the individuals involved for intentional infliction of emotional distress and any other applicable torts. Honor students are very sensitive and often terrified of doing anything that is a mark against their record. I was in advanced classes decades ago and was terrified of authority. I cried a lot every time I failed at something because I thought my life was ruined. It didn't matter, but I didn't know that at the time. Bullies like that don't like super bright, high achieving kids, and they often think it's their job to smack down the outstanding students.
SunSeeker
(54,007 posts)But instead, they appear to be conceding that the school had the right to terrorize these boys with these ridiculous lies.
I don't know anyone whose life was ruined by pot. And I know a lot of middle-aged pot smoking professionals. Booze on the other hand...but the never mind, that shit's legal. I'm guessing the Principal likes to throw back a cold one after a day of bullying students to death.
virgogal
(10,178 posts)Most kids would laugh about it.
Why on earth anyone would want to teach today astonishes me if lawsuits are threatened because of a poor choice of words.
Child abuse? Give me a break,
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SunSeeker
(54,007 posts)This was not just a "poor choice of words" by a harried teacher. This was a malicious series of actions and intentional infliction of emotional distress by top school administrators.
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)In law school this is called "you take the plaintiff as you find them". In other words, the defendant's responsibility is not lessened legally because the plaintiff has a thin skull, or some other physical defect, or is emotionally sensitive.
The plaintiff's condition does not mitigate any duty of care that the defendant may have.
And yes I am a lawyer but I do not play one on TV.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)college (summa cum laude) and an Ivy League law school. Never slowed me down one bit.
These "school administrators" are so full of shit I am surprised they haven't exploded. What a sad story.
Throckmorton
(3,579 posts)No more calls please!
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)I worked my ass off all week and disciplined myself on school nights. Weekends are for good beer and high-quality smokables, both cigars and weed.
hexola
(4,835 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Obviously, kid, only idiots smoke pot.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Blammo.
jack_krass
(1,009 posts)Drug warriors get the shit sued out of them, then lose their jobs. Tragic