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So our bombing of the Doctors Without Borders hospital has slipped out of the news (Original Post) peacebird Oct 2015 OP
Listen to Amy Goodman's Democracy Now. Doctor's Without Borders is claming it was a war crime Javaman Oct 2015 #1
Based on that report I agree with them. peacebird Oct 2015 #4
Me too. nt Javaman Oct 2015 #6
yes, it has uawchild Oct 2015 #2
What hospital? Octafish Oct 2015 #3
Who cares? Did you see the new Star Wars trailer last night? Initech Oct 2015 #5
Well, Kardashian came out for some kinds gun control... Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #7
My guess is nothing will happen, and if, by chance, something does happen, City Lights Oct 2015 #8
Didn't you know Obama is the most progressive president in US history. JRLeft Oct 2015 #9
Dude. That is SO last week! KamaAina Oct 2015 #10
We've apologized, accepted full responsibility, and will pay reparations Blue_Tires Oct 2015 #11
I want to have an explanation of how it is possible to repeatedly bomb a hospital for over an hour peacebird Oct 2015 #12
First off, it wasn't a "bombing", AC-130 gunships don't carry bombs Blue_Tires Oct 2015 #13
If it was down, is there no backup to prevent attacks on known friendly sites like hospitals? peacebird Oct 2015 #14
Yes, normally there would be a large red cross or crescent painted on the roof. MH1 Oct 2015 #21
The carry cannons and howitzers. Octafish Oct 2015 #15
I know what's on them, I've seen the vids Blue_Tires Oct 2015 #16
The innocent are just as dead no matter what the f you call the weapons. JEB Oct 2015 #17
The misnomer is assuming someone is innocent. Octafish Oct 2015 #18
Which means the person in control does not give a flying f about the victims of the raid peacebird Oct 2015 #20
So you're not even giving them presumption of innocence? Blue_Tires Oct 2015 #22
Now the military says its intelligence app was down gratuitous Oct 2015 #19
It's pathetic but who cares? Just us normal people with an akbacchus_BC Oct 2015 #23

Javaman

(62,530 posts)
1. Listen to Amy Goodman's Democracy Now. Doctor's Without Borders is claming it was a war crime
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 08:50 AM
Oct 2015

based on the fact that it was bombed many times, rather than just once as the government wants us to believe.

uawchild

(2,208 posts)
2. yes, it has
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 08:50 AM
Oct 2015

"What is going to happen about it? Anyone know?"

Nothing else is going to be happen about it. We declared it a tragic accident and said "sorry".
Apparently in our over militarized freaked-out-about-Islamists world, that's sufficient -- for most people.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
3. What hospital?
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 09:54 AM
Oct 2015

US media work the 1984 Memory Hole for their paymasters.

Only people who remember and tell others will make a difference and help bring justice.

Thanks for being one of those, peacebird.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
7. Well, Kardashian came out for some kinds gun control...
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 03:15 PM
Oct 2015

two issues (her & gunz) near and dear to MSM's heart.

City Lights

(25,171 posts)
8. My guess is nothing will happen, and if, by chance, something does happen,
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 03:18 PM
Oct 2015

the US corporate hoore media will ignore it.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
11. We've apologized, accepted full responsibility, and will pay reparations
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 03:53 PM
Oct 2015

The USAF will have an internal inquiry to find out who fucked up, and that will be it... And the media folks constantly screeching about "war crimes" and "cover-ups" (Mr. Greenwald, I'm looking in your direction) realized that dog wasn't hunting anymore and moved on the DROOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNEEEES...(They also weren't helped by the near-simultaneous news that Russia had been hitting civilian targets as well)...


What else do you want to happen??

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
12. I want to have an explanation of how it is possible to repeatedly bomb a hospital for over an hour
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 04:25 PM
Oct 2015

When we knew it was a hospital and had the coords. I do not care what the Russians are doing, we are Americans. I would like to know what safeguards are put in place to make sure it doesn't happen again. Whoever okayed that bombing target needs to have a career 'adjustment'

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
14. If it was down, is there no backup to prevent attacks on known friendly sites like hospitals?
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 04:59 PM
Oct 2015

That is unacceptable.

MH1

(17,600 posts)
21. Yes, normally there would be a large red cross or crescent painted on the roof.
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 10:57 PM
Oct 2015

That way the people actually FLYING THE PLANE and SHOOTING THE GUNS would know that this was a medical facility and an order to target it was probably illegal and should at least be questioned.

For some reason that I have not seen answered anywhere, this building did not have one of those symbols.

There is probably an explanation. I just haven't seen it anywhere.

And, that would normally be the "backup" of which you inquire.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
15. The carry cannons and howitzers.
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 05:26 PM
Oct 2015


Armament configurations of current AC-130s, although the H model has been officially retired, it is still flying missions and the J model will be online in the coming years:

AC-130H Spectre

1× 40 mm (1.58 in) L/60 Bofors cannon
1× 105 mm (4.13 in) M102 howitzer
AC-130U Spooky II

1× General Dynamics 25 mm (0.984 in) GAU-12/U Equalizer 5-barreled Gatling cannon
1× 40 mm (1.58 in) L/60 Bofors cannon
1× 105 mm (4.13 in) M102 howitzer
AC-130W Stinger II & AC-130J

1x 30 mm ATK GAU-23/A autocannon
'Gunslinger' weapons system with launch tube for AGM-176 Griffin missiles and/or GBU-44/B Viper Strike munitions (10 round magazines)
Wing mounted, AGM-114 Hellfire missiles, GBU-39 Small Diameter Bombs (SDBs) and/or GBU-53/B SDB II

See for yourself: http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the-u-s-air-forces-new-ac-130-gunships-are-really-bomb-1584518199

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
18. The misnomer is assuming someone is innocent.
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 06:45 PM
Oct 2015

Someone in the chain of command didn't give a damn about a hospital.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
22. So you're not even giving them presumption of innocence?
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 01:21 AM
Oct 2015

Of course there's a slightly more famous documented, unrepentant, war criminal at large and I don't see DUers or the Greenwald Cabal screaming for HIS arrest and trial:

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/06/assad-war-crimes-syria-torture-caesar-hospital

But that's not my business... Keep your eye on the prize, my good man

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
19. Now the military says its intelligence app was down
Tue Oct 20, 2015, 07:01 PM
Oct 2015

Or something like that. So, see, they didn't really know what they were bombing, but apparently they had to bomb something even if they were flying blind, target-wise. Mistakes may have been made. Stuff has a tendency to happen. Not really our fault; the hospital should have seen the airstrikes coming, so this is really on them.

akbacchus_BC

(5,704 posts)
23. It's pathetic but who cares? Just us normal people with an
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 01:55 AM
Oct 2015

iota of conscience. The powers that be do not give a shit about bombing anything albeit doctors and patients! The world and the super powers have gone crazy!

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