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Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 11:40 AM Oct 2015

YouTube Red "exclusive content", just another name for shell game

With the announcement of YouTube Red Google is taking YouTube further in the direction of the cable companies.

Cleverly packaged in with the promise of an ad-free YouTube (which, incidentally, is horrible for content providers), is this "exclusive content" YouTube claims it is working on for RedTube. What many people don't realize is where this "exclusive content" is going to come from. It will be coming from your favorite most popular channels you already watch for free. In other words, non-subscribers to the $9.99 ad-free YouTube Red will lose the ability to watch these channels…or a tiered internet.

Let me repeat, this is a cynical step toward putting the popular video content you know and love behind a wall you will have to pay a monthly subscription to access.

This is classic bait & switch. This is Google saying "Hey, everybody look at this pretty shiny thing we're giving you over here!" Meanwhile, all your favorite and popular channels are slowly disappearing from the free YouTube because Google is coaxing them all, one-by-one, to go exclusive or otherwise lose access to revenue. Then the free YouTube viewers are left watching crap just like basic cable subscribers. The only bright spot is this may finally cause an exodus from the advertiser driven YouTube to alternative video blogging providers. Hopefully, Vimeo will take advantage of this.

We cannot fall for this cynical grab for money as we have already done with the cable companies. If you think this new subscription-based access to "exclusive" content is a great idea, you have no idea what is happening.

Alternative video content platforms need to be launched to challenge YouTube's (Google's) business model once and for all.

Channels need to know as long as they set up shop on YouTube this kind of cynical control and manipulation of viewers and content providers will only continue.

Beyond, certain websites, like YouTube, the internet is still basically free of cynical landlords hell-bent on squeezing as much money as they can out of people by playing shell games with popular content. If you're a popular channel on YouTube, consider leaving, maybe getting your own hosting if you can afford it, and making your viewers come to you.

If that is not an option for you, consider not uploading your content to YouTube at all but at a video platform provider that has a little more integrity.

YouTube should not be rewarded for playing a shell game with content. They should be punished with a massive exodus.
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YouTube Red "exclusive content", just another name for shell game (Original Post) Shankapotomus Oct 2015 OP
Redtube? The porn site? Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #1
That's what everyone is asking Shankapotomus Oct 2015 #2
Who are the ad wizards who came up with that one? Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #4
They should've just called it YouPay NobodyHere Oct 2015 #13
Maybe YouPrawn was taken? DetlefK Oct 2015 #3
I'd like to call the them youdumass. Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #5
Nowhere do I see that they are taking away content from non-subscribers. Dr Hobbitstein Oct 2015 #6
Right here Shankapotomus Oct 2015 #7
New original shows and movies. Dr Hobbitstein Oct 2015 #8
What do you think Shankapotomus Oct 2015 #9
Doubtful. Dr Hobbitstein Oct 2015 #10
Apparently, Shankapotomus Oct 2015 #14
The market will provide another version of Youtube. People will go elsewhere. Katashi_itto Oct 2015 #16
That would be awesome Shankapotomus Oct 2015 #17
I listed the planned premium content in a post below. Dr Hobbitstein Oct 2015 #20
List of planned content. Dr Hobbitstein Oct 2015 #11
Ugh Oneironaut Oct 2015 #15
It's aimed at teens and morons. Dr Hobbitstein Oct 2015 #19
That is a pretty negative take on it. Egnever Oct 2015 #12
They should migrate all their content to FaceBook temporarily to keep their subscribers in the tblue37 Oct 2015 #18
Yes, Google bought YT Shankapotomus Oct 2015 #21
You seem to miss out on the fact that content providers like to be paid for their work. Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #22

Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
2. That's what everyone is asking
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 11:43 AM
Oct 2015

Not only is it a cyclical shell game, YouTube chose a crappy name for it too.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
6. Nowhere do I see that they are taking away content from non-subscribers.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 11:58 AM
Oct 2015

Just that subscribers can watch videos ad-free, and have the ability to download and watch them offline. If you don't pay, then you get the regular old YouTube. Where are you getting the info that they are taking away content from those who don't subscribe?

Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
7. Right here
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 12:04 PM
Oct 2015

Code for "f-you-all":

"And starting early next year, YouTube Red will get even better with member-only access to new, original shows and movies from some of YouTube’s biggest creators. You can read all about Originals coming to YouTube Red here."

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
8. New original shows and movies.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 12:06 PM
Oct 2015

Kind of like Netflix. And Hulu. And Amazon.

No where does it say "we're taking away what we gave you for free and making you pay for it". YouTube is evolving. That's a great idea. I think you may be reading too far into it.

Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
9. What do you think
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 12:12 PM
Oct 2015

"YouTube’s biggest creators" means?

"But we’re not stopping there. Starting next year, YouTube Red members will get access to new, original series and movies from some of YouTube’s biggest creators."

They are just going to take already existing and popular channels and make them exclusive.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
10. Doubtful.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 12:15 PM
Oct 2015

If they did that, they'd lose more than they'd gain. What I think it means is that YouTube is now teaming up with popular content creators to finance new movies and TV shows, that will be exclusive to YouTube Red.

What you're seeing is YouTube trying to cut into the Netflix/Hulu/Amazon action. Nothing more.

Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
14. Apparently,
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 08:18 AM
Oct 2015

Any creators that don't participate will have their channels set to private.

http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2015/10/21/17-things-you-need-know-about-youtube-red-and-youtube-music/
http://techcrunch.com/2015/10/21/an-offer-creators-cant-refuse/#.ycdx4m:qMYa

"Creators can’t really opt-out of YouTube Red.
Anyone who doesn’t participate in ‘YouTube Red,’ ‘YouTube Music,’ or any other iteration will have their channels and videos set to ‘private’. Basically, if you don’t sign the contract, you’re dead to YouTube (and your fans on YouTube)."


Also, apparently, there will eventually be premium content for YouTube Red subscribers. So, again, an on-going shell game or moving the goal posts.

"10. YouTube Red will initially feature ad-free content, but special, premium content is next.
Eventually, YouTube is aiming to feature premium content for premium-paying subscribers, but for now, the focus is on ad-free content."

Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
17. That would be awesome
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 08:50 AM
Oct 2015

I would love to see a video upload site third party advertisers couldn't get their greedy hands on.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
20. I listed the planned premium content in a post below.
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:44 AM
Oct 2015

It makes sense that all content providers have to participate. It doesn't mean that their stuff goes behind a pay wall, it makes it so they don't have to code two versions of YouTube.

For the record, I am a content provider. Short films and music videos for local bands. I am for paid subscriptions to negate ads. Hell, if you don't want ads on DU, you pay. Although, Adblock plus negates ads on both YouTube and DU.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
11. List of planned content.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 12:21 PM
Oct 2015
http://youtube-global.blogspot.com/2015/10/red-originals.html


Scare PewDiePie: In this reality-adventure series from the creator and executive producers of The Walking Dead at Skybound Entertainment and Maker Studios, experience thrills, chills and laughter as PewDiePie encounters terrifying situations inspired by his favorite video games.

Sing It!: From Fine Brothers Entertainment and Mandeville Films comes SING IT!, a scripted comedy that lovingly satirizes the reality singing competitions that have become a centerpiece of pop culture.

Lazer Team: In this feature-length action-comedy from Rooster Teeth and Fullscreen Films, four small-town losers stumble upon an alien ship carrying a mysterious cargo, leading to a battle to save Earth from an all-powerful enemy.

A Trip to Unicorn Island: From the team at Astronauts Wanted, this feature-length movie gives fans an extraordinary look inside the life and journey of Lilly Singh as she embarks on a challenging 26-city global tour where she has to remember to practice what she preaches: happiness is the only thing worth fighting for.

Untitled Joey Graceffa project: In this all-new reality adventure series, Joey Graceffa brings together an ensemble of top YouTubers for a murder mystery they'll never forget. They'll form alliances to survive, but little do they know that most won't make it out alive.

360 Project from MatPat of Game Theory: YouTube educator and pop culture expert MatPat from The Game Theorists invites the audience to come along for the ride in an innovative new series and 360 VR experience. In each episode Matt explores the real-life science behind popular video games by throwing gamers into the high-stakes scenarios they play through every day, from water jetpacks to haunted pizzerias.

Single by 30: In this romantic drama series from Wong Fu Productions and New Form Digital, two high school best friends make a promise to get married if they’re still single at 30. A decade later, with 30 quickly approaching, their attempt at upholding their vow unfolds in unexpected ways. Starring Harry Shum, Jr. and Kina Grannis.

Untitled CollegeHumor project: Written by and starring the cast of CollegeHumor, along with special guests, this new anthology series will take a dark and comedic look at the absurdity of Internet culture.

Fight of the Living Dead: In an unprecedented social experiment reality show from Alpine Labs, Fight of the Living Dead takes popular YouTube talent and traps them in a frighteningly realistic zombie apocalypse. They must use their instincts and gaming skills to survive as they battle the elements for the ultimate prize of survival.

I Am Tobuscus: From the mind of Toby Turner, this scripted comedy explores the world of a self-involved YouTube creator pursuing bigger stardom. The show features original music, and satirizes the hilarious details of being an eccentric, new-age celebrity.



None of this is stuff currently on YouTube.
 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
12. That is a pretty negative take on it.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 12:57 PM
Oct 2015

alternatively you could say google is offering you the opportunity to remove those annoying adds for $9.99 a month and adding in extra content on top.

tblue37

(65,336 posts)
18. They should migrate all their content to FaceBook temporarily to keep their subscribers in the
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:31 AM
Oct 2015

loop, then set up their own personal site to post videos. They can then use their FB account to notify viewers and direct them to their new video-only site, so none of their subscribers end up losing track of where they are.

I don't subscribe to any YT channel, but I do go to the FB pages of Drnworb' Kitskats and Maru to view their videos more often than I go to YT for them. YT is killing its own golden egg laying goose, but is too greedy to realize it. (Isn't YT now just a Google subsidiary?)

Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
21. Yes, Google bought YT
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:53 AM
Oct 2015

I like these on-the-fly video sharing ideas such as yours. No one site should be granted too much loyalty but rather perhaps content providers can link each video (wherever it ends up being uploaded) on one page of their personal site for which their audience can access them all from that one page.

I am never posting a video on YouTube again.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
22. You seem to miss out on the fact that content providers like to be paid for their work.
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 10:07 AM
Oct 2015

Most people don't really work so they can give their labors away. They work to pay the bills. Don't you expect compensation for your own labor?

People who want to give it all away certainly can. Those who refuse to pay don't have to. Also, people have a way to eat.

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