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OH MY HEAVENS! Where Did YOU Come From? (Original Post) kpete Oct 2015 OP
Charles Koch’s Frankenstein Problem: He Created the Tea Party Monster Fuddnik Oct 2015 #1
Very well stated. Altho I think the turn to the dark happened in the Nixon era. erronis Oct 2015 #5
Yes. 1970 -- two years after Nixon's election -- was the big turning point in our economy JDPriestly Oct 2015 #16
Even in the early colonies it was necessary to cooperate erronis Oct 2015 #17
I live in a big city, but the people in my neighborhood cooperate, socialize and are really great JDPriestly Oct 2015 #23
The cartoonist, David Fitzsimmons, draws for the Tucson paper. panader0 Oct 2015 #2
OpenING peoples' eyes to the obvious should be a fireable offense ffr Oct 2015 #11
Great toon malaise Oct 2015 #15
David Fitzsimmons is one of my favorites! DesertRat Oct 2015 #30
Perfect... K&R (nt) Amimnoch Oct 2015 #3
Exactly PatSeg Oct 2015 #4
So true, but we should agree to not tolerate it any longer ffr Oct 2015 #12
And don't let it be stolen! erronis Oct 2015 #18
That is for sure PatSeg Oct 2015 #20
And it is vital that Democrats PatSeg Oct 2015 #19
Exactly! SoapBox Oct 2015 #6
Post removed Post removed Oct 2015 #7
what flavour pizza do you like? niyad Oct 2015 #9
PePPeRoni, apparently. hifiguy Oct 2015 #25
looks like that incarnation did not last long. niyad Oct 2015 #28
even "blowback" doesn't cover the stupidity of the hate-mongers on this one. niyad Oct 2015 #8
H.P. Lovecraft had an expression. ChazInAz Oct 2015 #10
Sure, that's obvious to you, but ffr Oct 2015 #13
Great cartoon Gothmog Oct 2015 #14
Great toon! Paka Oct 2015 #21
Nevertheless, they keep pouring toxins into the kettle. Martin Eden Oct 2015 #22
Hey, doc, you built that monster, hifiguy Oct 2015 #24
If it was a squid, I'd say Goldman Sachs Demeter Oct 2015 #26
the Kochs really Thespian2 Oct 2015 #27
"VOTE GOP 2016 OR DIE" New Republican Party Slogan EEO Oct 2015 #29

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
1. Charles Koch’s Frankenstein Problem: He Created the Tea Party Monster
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 10:36 AM
Oct 2015
http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/charles-kochs-frankenstein-problem-he-created-tea-party-monster-and-now-hes

Charles Koch’s Frankenstein Problem: He Created the Tea Party Monster — and Now He’s Horrified With the Results
The Koch network gave rise to the rabid right. But now Charles Koch wails about a 'lack of substance and civility.'
By Sean Illing / Salon October 27, 2015


I’m a big fan of irony, which is why I enjoyed this Wall Street Journal profile of Charles Koch so much. In an interview with Patrick O’Connor, Charles – evidently the more diplomatic half of the two most politically active Koch brothers – spoke somberly about the tone of the 2016 presidential race and of political discourse more generally. “It’s mainly about personalities and ‘your mother sucked rotten eggs,’” he lamented to O’Connor.

On the one hand, I understand Charles’s frustration. After all, he and his brother are looking to invest $750 million on this election. When a man, his brother, and 450 wealthy donors build a national network of umbrella organizations in order to dictate political outcomes via dark money, they expect to get the results they want.

Here’s the problem: The Koch brothers, whether they know it or not, got exactly what they paid for. If the tone of our politics has sunk to Cro-Magnon levels, it’s because the process has been flooded with money and propaganda and rabid right-wingers who’ve coarsened the discourse and made compromise impossible.

Everything about our politics took a dark turn around the time of Obama’s election in 2008, which is precisely when the Koch brothers’ political machine exploded into being. As O’Connor writes:

In 2003, Mr. Koch convened about a dozen like-minded conservatives in Chicago with the goal of becoming more overtly political. Those efforts took hold early in Barack Obama’s presidency amid voter unease with the bank bailout signed by President George W. Bush and with the passage of the Affordable Care Act. Groups financed by the Kochs and their alliance spent more than $400 million in 2012…In that year’s presidential election, Americans for Prosperity and two other Koch-financed groups spent a total of more than $50 million on television ads.

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erronis

(15,460 posts)
5. Very well stated. Altho I think the turn to the dark happened in the Nixon era.
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 10:59 AM
Oct 2015

Dirty politics and yellow journalism (now easily identified with Fux) has also been around for centuries, probably predating the Greeks. But the ability of a handful of filthy-rich snobs to influence a democracy has never been easier.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
16. Yes. 1970 -- two years after Nixon's election -- was the big turning point in our economy
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 04:45 PM
Oct 2015

and for everything.

Somehow the extreme right-winig managed to erase from American history the reality of the sense of community, the working together, the one-for-all and all-for-one that really built America and made it possible to develop our frontier. They just obliterated.

My husband and I watched PBS program on the building of the sewers in Chicago. It is fascinating and a perfect illustration of the cooperative, democratic socialist if you will, efforts that have made our cities and our national civilization possible.

The Koch brothers and the extreme right-wing deny all that.

I remember how my grandfather and the farmers in his area joined together to decide which farm would be harvested first, how they would participate and share in the scheduling of the huge equipment that harvested their crops, how they worked together to build schools and churches and take care of each other.

There is a huge lie out there about the history of our country, that we were made great by a few selfish types. That may have been true in the cities of the Northeast and the nearly feudal culture of the South, but it certainly was not true in the Midwest. The Midwest was built on cooperation and community. So be it.

erronis

(15,460 posts)
17. Even in the early colonies it was necessary to cooperate
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 04:55 PM
Oct 2015

Once a few landed gentry owned a lot more than the rest of their compatriots it became another example of greet-trumps-public benefit.

Your examples of cooperative sharing of resources, community barn raisings, harvesting, caring for others seems to disappear when the filthy lucre becomes the goal. I don't think the western pioneers were any more or less altruistic or greedy. I do think that entrenched "old money" conservatives become so worried about their McDuck holdings that they work against the common interest. And eventually against the interest of their spawn.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
23. I live in a big city, but the people in my neighborhood cooperate, socialize and are really great
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 08:15 PM
Oct 2015

to live around.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
2. The cartoonist, David Fitzsimmons, draws for the Tucson paper.
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 10:40 AM
Oct 2015

The Arizona Daily Star used to be more liberal (as opposed to the Phoenix paper, the Arizona Republic)
but was recently purchased by some righties. There are complaints all the time about Fitzsimmons,
calling for him to be fired.

ffr

(22,677 posts)
11. OpenING peoples' eyes to the obvious should be a fireable offense
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 01:59 PM
Oct 2015

I see where the RWNJ's would be coming from.

"This is too true, Fitzsimmons. STOP IT OR YOU'RE FIRED!"

ffr

(22,677 posts)
12. So true, but we should agree to not tolerate it any longer
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 02:03 PM
Oct 2015

If we could just sweep these idiots out of office over the next several election cycles we'd all breath easier. And I don't mean just the FC, I mean all Republis.

Here's my message...as though our lives depended on it.

erronis

(15,460 posts)
18. And don't let it be stolen!
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 04:57 PM
Oct 2015

There seems to be some large disconnects between what the public says it wants and how the votes end up. Wonder why?

PatSeg

(47,741 posts)
20. That is for sure
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 06:40 PM
Oct 2015

In spite of all the evidence of election fraud since 2001, it seems that nothing gets done about it.

PatSeg

(47,741 posts)
19. And it is vital that Democrats
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 06:39 PM
Oct 2015

vote in mid-term elections, not just presidential elections. It is a major weakness with Democrats, as if the president doesn't need the House and Senate.

Response to kpete (Original post)

ChazInAz

(2,579 posts)
10. H.P. Lovecraft had an expression.
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 01:18 PM
Oct 2015

In "The Case of Charles Dexter Ward", an ancient warlock advised his student: "Never summon up what you cannot put down".

ffr

(22,677 posts)
13. Sure, that's obvious to you, but
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 02:08 PM
Oct 2015

that would require reading and comprehension. Consider your audience. I don't get the impression that RWNJs read nor comprehend. They're more into reacting after letting someone else determine all that.

Martin Eden

(12,885 posts)
22. Nevertheless, they keep pouring toxins into the kettle.
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 07:47 PM
Oct 2015

Let's hope the monster devours its maker, but not the rest of us.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
24. Hey, doc, you built that monster,
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 08:31 PM
Oct 2015

you own it. Too bad it's pulling the castle down around you. Too bad, so sad.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
26. If it was a squid, I'd say Goldman Sachs
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 09:30 PM
Oct 2015

But since it isn't, Koch Bros. is the most likely source.

EEO

(1,620 posts)
29. "VOTE GOP 2016 OR DIE" New Republican Party Slogan
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 11:19 PM
Oct 2015

This is not far from the truth...

"VOTE GOP 2016 OR DIE" New Republican Party Slogan

WASHINGTON (The Nil Admirari) - This morning, the Republican National Committee (RNC) announced the GOP was adopting the slogan "VOTE GOP 2016 OR DIE." RNC Chairman Reince Priebus explained the new Republican slogan best summarized the current discourse of the party's members, especially its presidential candidates.

And...

"Hate, fear, paranoia, and perceived victimization are the Four Horsemen of the Republican Party, and they have been for decades. I have no doubt they will bring us victory in 2016. Scott Walker recently said we should build a wall on our border with Canada, because of terrorism. That's right, Canada," explained Pribeus.
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