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struggle4progress

(118,290 posts)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 06:55 PM Nov 2015

ACLU asks federal court to reverse cancellation of Redskins trademarks

POSTED 6:29 PM, NOVEMBER 6, 2015
BY ALIX BRYAN

CHARLOTTESVILLE, Va. — Attorneys with the American Civil Liberties Union filed a brief urging Richmond’s Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals to reverse the cancellation of the Washington Redskin’s trademarks ...

The district court said the ruling did not violate the Redskins First Amendment rights.

“The ACLU agrees that the Washington team’s name and trademarks are disparaging to Native Americans, and we have made clear that we believe that the team should change its name and discontinue use of its current trademarks,” said ACLU of Virginia Executive Director Claire Guthrie Gastañaga. “At the same time, however, we believe that government is prohibited by the First Amendment from denying a trademark on that basis.”

The Charlottesville-based Rutherford Institute also distributed a press release ...


http://wtvr.com/2015/11/06/aclu-asks-federal-court-to-reverse-cancellation-of-redskins-trademarks/

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ACLU asks federal court to reverse cancellation of Redskins trademarks (Original Post) struggle4progress Nov 2015 OP
ACLU is wrong on this one. geomon666 Nov 2015 #1
I agree Egnever Nov 2015 #2
I'm not a fan of the government determining what is and isn't offensive NobodyHere Nov 2015 #3
The statute says a trademark cannot be offensive. The Office has no choice but to determine merrily Nov 2015 #6
The question is whether the law is valid. NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #9
I respectfully disagree SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #10
Filing a brief is fighting a case in court. Not as plaintiff or as defendant, but as amicus. Still, merrily Nov 2015 #11
I stand with the ACLU. hifiguy Nov 2015 #4
Me too. Nye Bevan Nov 2015 #7
I love the ACLU, but they should leave this to the wealthy owner of the Redskins and his, her, its merrily Nov 2015 #5
Using donated money to defend the right of Nazis to march in Skokie onenote Nov 2015 #12
Different issue entirely. I was not making a popularity argument, but an economic one. merrily Nov 2015 #13
What it takes to file an amicus brief SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #14
Does that mean you think the ACLU erred in filing an amicus in the Pentagon Papers case onenote Nov 2015 #15
Shall we review every case in which the ACLU filed on behalf a wealthy plaintiff or defendant? Or merrily Nov 2015 #16
Wait, you set those criteria, and now you object when those same criteria are applied elsewhere?? X_Digger Nov 2015 #17
wth? I objected to discussing a case other than the one in the OP. merrily Nov 2015 #18
Awfully defensive aren't we? I think the problem is that you understand the first amendment onenote Nov 2015 #19
Defensive? Dude, move on. merrily Nov 2015 #20
Nah, dudette. I think I'll stick around. But feel free to leave whenever you want. onenote Nov 2015 #21
The ACLU is right. NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #8
 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
2. I agree
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 06:59 PM
Nov 2015

They should change the name but it does seem to be against the first amendment for the government to cancel the trademark on the grounds it is offensive.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
6. The statute says a trademark cannot be offensive. The Office has no choice but to determine
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 07:20 PM
Nov 2015

if the trademark is offensive or not. It's probably been making that determination for a century or more.

Having a right to speak offensively may be different from a right to have the US government trademark and protect offensive speech.

That said, if the wealthy owner of the Redskins wants to fight this in court, fine. Not as though he can't afford it. I don't see using limited, donated funds for this purpose.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
9. The question is whether the law is valid.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 07:26 PM
Nov 2015

"Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech..."

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
10. I respectfully disagree
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 10:35 PM
Nov 2015

This is exactly the kind of the thing the ACLU should be involved in.

The ACLU simply filed a brief, they aren't fighting the case in court. I'm with the ACLU on this, and think it's exactly the kind of thing donated funds should be spent on.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
11. Filing a brief is fighting a case in court. Not as plaintiff or as defendant, but as amicus. Still,
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 10:38 PM
Nov 2015

it's fighting a case in court. And it does use scarce resources that could be used to benefit people who are billionaires and need representation.

But, you arecertainly entitled to disagree anyway.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
7. Me too.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 07:20 PM
Nov 2015

The name should be changed, but not because some man from the government has decided that it's offensive.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
5. I love the ACLU, but they should leave this to the wealthy owner of the Redskins and his, her, its
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 07:15 PM
Nov 2015

or their legal team.

Using donated money to fight for a racist logo of a rich franchise is very poor use of limited, donated funds, IMO.

And, yes, I do understand free speech.

onenote

(42,704 posts)
12. Using donated money to defend the right of Nazis to march in Skokie
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:04 PM
Nov 2015

also probably was viewed by many as a poor use of limited, donated funds. But the ACLU doesn't decide what speech to defend based on its popularity or who the speaker is and that's a good thing

merrily

(45,251 posts)
13. Different issue entirely. I was not making a popularity argument, but an economic one.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:05 PM
Nov 2015

Even a casual reading of my prior post would pick up all the money references. As my prior post said, yes, I do understand free speech. I am familiar with the Skokie case. As far as I know none of the Nazis who wanted to march had millions of dollars to fight the case without help from the ACLU.

Also as far as I know, there's no evidence that the Redskins' owner can't afford legal fees or that the owner's attorneys are incompetent. I'd rather see the ACLU use its limited and donated resources to fight for someone who could not afford to fight for his, her or its own rights. Sue me.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
14. What it takes to file an amicus brief
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:18 PM
Nov 2015

is a drop in the bucket of both what the ACLU receives in donations and what it takes an actual plaintiff to file and argue the case in court.

onenote

(42,704 posts)
15. Does that mean you think the ACLU erred in filing an amicus in the Pentagon Papers case
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 12:12 AM
Nov 2015

After all, the New York Times and the Washington Post had the resources to higher top lawyers (such as Floyd Abrams).

merrily

(45,251 posts)
16. Shall we review every case in which the ACLU filed on behalf a wealthy plaintiff or defendant? Or
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 12:49 AM
Nov 2015

shall we stick with the topic of this OP? I'm going with the latter.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
17. Wait, you set those criteria, and now you object when those same criteria are applied elsewhere??
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 12:50 AM
Nov 2015

1. Having Cake
2. Eating Cake

Pick one.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
18. wth? I objected to discussing a case other than the one in the OP.
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 01:00 AM
Nov 2015

I did not object to applying any criteria to any case.

onenote

(42,704 posts)
19. Awfully defensive aren't we? I think the problem is that you understand the first amendment
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 01:11 AM
Nov 2015

but don't understand the ACLU. When it participates in a case, it doesn't do so to represent parties. It represents the first amendment. Which makes the identity of the parties basically irrelevant.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
8. The ACLU is right.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 07:24 PM
Nov 2015

This case if lost could put a huge hole in the first Amendment and open the door to more regulation (Censorship) of speech.

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