This is a shout out to the police who responded to this tragedy.

[cwydro]

Last edited Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:26 PM - Edit history (1)

That takes some nerve - to run into a place where there may be bombs, active shooters, whatever.

Kudos to the cops and the medics who ran into danger.

Edited: many DUers have pointed out to me how wrong I was with my original OP. I thought that some might not want to give credit to the brave first responders. So I've changed the OP to reflect that. This is a great community, and I was wrong to think that anyone would not credit those who deserve it. Mea culpa.

[RKP5637]

1. I thought they were amazing!!! n/t

[rurallib]

2. Why would it not be popular. These are brave folks

who did their job as best they could. They deserve credit.

[onecaliberal]

3. Why won't it be popular? Their actual job is to protect and serve.

Does it take guts, yes but it is their job.

[itsrobert]

4. I think you will be wrong

Kudos to the cops, medics, and other first responders.

[cwydro]

14. Thank you. I want to be wrong.

I cannot imagine what they saw.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

5. My dear cwydro...

I'm with you on this!

They run in, towards danger, when others run out, towards safety.

[cwydro]

21. I know Peg.

I cannot imagine being in that situation.

Training, courage, whatever it is...I'd be happy to see them if I was being shot at.

[Texasgal]

6. It should be popular!

This issue was handled quite well. Many lives were saved. KUDOS!

[Rex]

7. It won't be popular?

Kewl story.

[Warpy]

8. I logged on to their radio just in time for the firefight

It was so hard not to feel sorry for all the cops those idiots were shooting at. They sounded terrified.

[RKP5637]

13. Too bad in some states/areas they are encrypting scanner transmissions on

proprietary systems.

[cherokeeprogressive]

25. Honestly, I can think of any number of reasons encryption would be a good idea.

What if someone monitoring their frequency declared some kind of emergency in order to get a large number of first responders in one place? Or worse yet, what if they actually broadcast on the frequency.

[mythology]

38. Even more basically, what happens if somebody they are trying to apprehend

is on that frequency? If this couple had that access, they may not have been so easily found.

[951-Riverside]

68. They don't need a frequency, all they need one of the many phone apps out there

Nationwide encryption should be mandatory but that's for another discussion.

[RKP5637]

89. Yep, agree!!! n/t

[jtuck004]

93. Yes. Such as when cops were backshooting black folks in New Orleans after Katrina.

Because the murders our police commit need to be done in secret. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danziger_Bridge_shootings < others, but the list would be too long...

Not to take away from what was done here, but it isn't the typical situation, and it shouldn't be used in a knee-jerk manner to suggest policy. A tactical group could have a channel for use in such a situation, encrypted and used by only a few, (and the target won't have it) but hiding general communications like the secret police may not be a positive thing.

The more open those systems are, the better able help is able to coordinate during almost any situation. And the less the public record can be manipulated.

[nadinbrzezinski]

42. And you too can listen to those if you have a digital scanner

that you can buy at the store... hell, I have one on my table since one of my departments has some of their feeds on those channels and some still at the 800 freqs that broadcastify feeds.

Oh and it is quite legal too.

If you have never done this and you are intimidated by the programing required... (it can be daunting), get a Uniden home patrol. They are pre-programed for the whole country.

[Ex Lurker]

81. Courage is doing your duty when you're scared to death NT

[cwydro]

84. This is so true.

You nailed it.

[jrthin]

9. Of Course It Will Be...

These police officers were amazing!!!

[ScreamingMeemie]

10. Why wouldn't it be popular?

I think they did a tremendous job. I also think many police officers abuse the badge, but I can do both.

[cwydro]

17. I know that you can Meemie.

And most on DU can do both, but there are a few here who hate cops and just never see both sides.

I just wanted to give them a shout out.

[alcibiades_mystery]

11. "This won't be popular..."

[cwydro]

26. Point taken.

There's really only three or four posters on here that are consistently anti-cop. I think most DUers are able to look at the big picture.

I'm just amazed at what they have to deal with nowadays. I still remember how we all thought how heroic they were after 9/11...then suddenly we forgot.

[840high]

74. ...^ that

[jeff47]

12. Police are unpopular when they're shooting unarmed suspects and similar abuses.

This was an example of police doing their job, and doing it extremely well.

It isn't blanket hatred of police. It's hatred of police who abuse their position, and their friends who help cover it up.

[RKP5637]

15. Exactly, all cops are not bad. What does really irk me are those times when the bad ones

are covered up and the old boys network protects them.

[cwydro]

19. I certainly would agree with that.

But we have to give kudos to the vast majority of cops who respond and protect, as they are trained to do.

[RKP5637]

88. Definitely!!! n/t

[LiberalElite]

16. ^^^^THIS^^^^

[Kalidurga]

18. That's the funny thing about blanket statements and beliefs

there are so many exceptions they should call them big holey nets.

[rockfordfile]

87. yeah I agree

[smirkymonkey]

20. I think they did a great job. They risk their lives every day.

Sure, some cops are jerks, but there are a lot of brave men and women out there risking their lives to keep us safe. I admire them.

[cwydro]

28. Yes, I think some people forget that they are exactly that.

Men and women. Human beings. Doing a difficult job on a daily basis.

And damn. That day must have been a really difficult one.

[flamingdem]

22. From what I saw they did a great job

Absolutely brave

[Buzz Clik]

23. +1

[Stinky The Clown]

24. Why would that not be a popular view?

They did what they were trained to do. They did what they CHOSE to do. They were cops. Protecting citizens.

In contrast the shitbird cops we see far too often.

[jalan48]

27. If we can't call the police what will it be? The Oath Keepers?

[cwydro]

29. Lol.

I can just imagine if those fellas had to charge into a dangerous situation...

[jalan48]

44. They's just start shooting everyone who wasn't white.

[cwydro]

45. I think they'd be turning tail and running the other way.

As fast as they could.

[jalan48]

49. You may be right. :)

[Rex]

30. So it looks to be very popular, I guess you learned something today.

[cwydro]

33. I'm pleased to learn that.

It's always good to learn things, and I should have known that DUers would feel this way.

Perhaps I should edit my OP.

[Rex]

39. Good idea and I am happy to see this too.

I think most of us are sick of police abuse and at the same time know most cops are normal citizens like ourselves. They did a good job of stopping further bloodshed. I read the couple had tons of ammo and weapons, it could have been much worse.

[cwydro]

54. OP has been edited.

I appreciated the input. Thank you.

[Rex]

69. Thanks for the change, it is good to see we have not lost our objectivity

on this forum.

[cwydro]

71. Absolutely.

We have to listen to one another.

[GusBob]

31. Unfortunately police are getting a lot of practice at this

They are learning from the numerous incidents across the country

In this case they caught the shooters before they could kill some more

Listening to the scanner it was amazing to hear all the calls coming in they had to check out

[Omaha Steve]

32. My thumb is up

K&R!

OS

[cwydro]

35. Thank you OS.

That means a lot coming from you.

[lostnfound]

34. Absolutely. Way to go. Lt Mike Madden seems straight up defender of the public

And he should be proud of how he handled himself.

[cwydro]

40. It was right after I watched his news conference that I posted my OP.

I'm also impressed by the chief. When he doesn't know the answer to a question, he actually says, "I don't know."

Then he gets the answer by the next conference. I wish we had politicians as good as these guys.

[GeorgeGist]

36. That's some seriously ...

deranged qualifier.

[bigwillq]

37. Great job, police. And to all others who helped

In that situation.



K and R

[Logical]

41. They did their job. Which is a good thing. nt

[Spitfire of ATJ]

43. Add to that another fine entry into the "Bonnie and Clyde Swiss Cheesed Car" collection.

[cwydro]

56. I have to admit, you could not look at that car -

without thinking that.

[951-Riverside]

46. Absolutely, major kudos to these officers and medics

My hands were shaking just watching the news, I couldnt imagine being in the middle of that.

Many thanks to all those officers and medics.

[cwydro]

52. I've edited my OP.

I've been a member of DU for a long time.

There are certain members here who are always insulting cops. Perhaps you've seen their posts?

Really, there are three who come to mind. And that is a minority. Hence, my edit.

[951-Riverside]

58. Same

I'm critical of police when individuals within departments do horrible things but I understand where you're coming from in that respect.

[SCantiGOP]

47. Of course these guys deserve a lot of credit

Liberals don't hate cops; they hate laws and regimes that allow the authorities to violate rights, and suppress certain classes of people.

[gregcrawford]

48. When they do good, no problem...

... it's the preponderance of homicidal malice that defines far too many of their interactions with those they're paid to protect that gets them into trouble. For the record, one of my sons is a cop. The other's in Club Fed. Go figure.

[Jack Rabbit]

50. They did their jobs

Police who do their jobs deserve a shout out.

[cwydro]

80. Everyone in any job who does it well deserves a shout out.

But women and men who charge into danger to save others deserve it even more.

[jonno99]

51. K&R - thanks for this post. nt.

[cwydro]

57. ...

[Marrah_G]

53. I thought they did really well

[moondust]

55. Excellent job by law enforcement!

[tishaLA]

59. cops, deputies, ATF, and FBI did great work

I complain about the police in LA/SoCial because they are prone to abusing their power, but in situations like that, they are amazing. Their training and professionalism...top notch.

[Laffy Kat]

60. Yes. What would we do without these brave public servants.

My hat is tipped

[cwydro]

62. I know.

I don't think there is a one of us here who would not be dialing 911 when that kind of crap breaks loose.

I surely hope I'm never in that situation, and I don't wish it on anyone ever.

So frightening.

[Laffy Kat]

67. I'm an EMT and have been a first responder in the past.

I never did anything remotely heroic, but I can only imagine. When I was in school for my EMT we spent half a class listening to the 911 recordings of the Aurora shooting. You know when the FRs arrived they had no idea what exactly they were dealing with and it was pretty disorganized. Then, you could hear the event unfolding through dispatch, the gravity of it. It was both horrifying and fascinating to study.

[cwydro]

70. Unfortunately, I recently had to be the recipient of EMT services.

I was quite badly injured, and I'm not a good patient lol.

They were fantastic. So thanks for what you do.

[Laffy Kat]

73. Hopefully you feel better by now.

Be careful out there.

[cwydro]

76. Thank you.

It's going to be awhile.

Grrr...I hate not being my usual active self.

[bullwinkle428]

61. The chief and other representatives of local law enforcement have

come across (via the press conferences) as extremely professional and caring about their duties, and it seems that this gets passed down through their entire department. Wish they could all be like this.

[cwydro]

66. i've been very impressed by them.

It's very scary to think that our local police now have to think about this kind of thing happening. Any time.

Anywhere.

[Kilgore]

63. As a parent of an officer, I thank you for your support

It is much appreciated.

[cwydro]

65. You're welcome.

I know several police officers, and I know the great majority are good people.

Please give your son or daughter a thank you from me.

[one_voice]

64. K&R

[bluestateguy]

72. Of course. I agree with you.

In fact, the whole episode makes the case against bullshit Broken Windows policing and wasting time on minor, petty offenses.

[coyote]

75. Yes they got the bad guys

But isn't anybody disturbed by the fact that the police look more like a military organization than regularly uniformed officers. I do. Pics here:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-3343327/California-police-respond-report-active-shooter.html

Looking at the shotup black getaway truck, it appears that American police use more ammo per person, than all Germans in one year (German police force shot 85 bullets in 2014)

Americans have become desensitized as to how crazy over armed the police are.

[cwydro]

79. It's crazy, I agree.

But so is our country. Guns, guns, and more guns.

I don't have the answer.

[DesertRat]

77. A big k&r!

[DashOneBravo]

78. K & R

[doc03]

82. The law enforcement people did an outstanding job in

San Bernardino IMO.

[KT2000]

83. It was impressive

the swift rescue, catching the perpetrators, and locating their stash. I like the way the police chief speaks to the press.

[Aerows]

85. All of them are commendable

This was a horrible situation, they didn't know what they were going into, yet they did their best to get the chaos under control.

[CaptainTruth]

86. I agree with OP as posted.

We have many incredible first responders who put their lives in danger, without hesitation, every day. I honor them.

And let's not forget the officer & pastor in Colorado Springs. I haven't seen anything to confirm this, but I suspect that personally, based on his religious beliefs, he may not have been pro-choice. However, when faced with the situation at the Planned Parenthood that didn't matter to him. He realized innocent lives were at risk & he did his job to the absolute best of his abilities, even giving his own life to protect others.

What more can a human being possible give?

*humbled*

[valerief]

90. In this case, the police were amazing. Unlike our Congress, who are revolting.

As I watched Officer Madden's touching account at yesterday's presser, all I could think of (don't hate me for this!) was American Dad because of his looks.

[cwydro]

91. You are right on about Congress.

Cowards. All of them.

[packman]

92. Yes -

[MissDeeds]

94. I couldn't agree more

They were truly heroic.

Great post, cwydro.

K&R

[JDPriestly]

95. Courageous public servants. Thanks to all of them.