Anybody else get the impression that Syed Farook's brother-in-law

[complain jane]

might not be telling everything he knows?

I'm not good at many things but I'm usually a pretty good judge when it comes to dishonesty. I just got the feeling Syed Farook's brother-in-law wasn't telling the whole truth at the press conference.

Just my two cents. Anyone else think that might be the case?

Edited to add: Just saw his name is Farhan Khan.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. I'm not sure.......he certainly seemed nervous, although I think that's to be expected.

[still_one]

2. Unless you have actual evidence to the contrary, the insinuation in the OP is wrong on so many

grounds.

It is not uncommon that married people sometimes don't realize their spouse is an alcoholic or drug user.

Hell, there are women who don't realize their husbands were serial killers.

So, to answer your question, I have no reason to doubt that the brother-in-law is telling the truth

[complain jane]

4. I said it was an impression I got.

I didn't say or even imply that I had "evidence" he lied. Think I was pretty clear.

[still_one]

9. I know, but in my view it implied that. It's just my opinion that's all, and it won't be the first

or last time I have been wrong

[complain jane]

56. Oh – me either!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

3. Most people, even professional investigators, really are not very good

at judging whether people are lying. https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/living-single/201305/why-are-we-so-bad-detecting-lies My own impression was only that the guy was very upset and freaked out.

[complain jane]

5. Interesting link. Thanks. n/t

[Yorktown]

6. I just spotted one inconsistency

In that interview, the brother-in-law's CAIR minders try to mention it's got nothing to do with religion.

Why did the brother-in-law need CAIR then?

[complain jane]

7. I noticed that too. n/t

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

8. Because the haters will think exactly that.

[Aerows]

18. Nah, there are tells

There is intelligence, that is the aspect of mind, but there is also instinct.

My instinct says he knows some things he is not saying.

I agree with the OP.

[clarice]

79. HATERS !!!!!???? lol

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

83. By "haters" I mean people who assume all Muslims are terrorists.

And of which there are many in this country, including a number of GOP presidential candidates and their supporters. Which, I assume, is why CAIR got involved - to try to get ahead of the bigoted statements that would certainly be forthcoming (and have already appeared) from the haters. I thought that was obvious.

[clarice]

84. To this point...I haven't heard anyone from either camp....

say that "all Muslims are terrorists"
I have heard that "all of the terrorists were Muslim."

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

85. Well, you've got Trump saying all Muslims should be registered in a database

and mosques surveilled and shut, Chris Christie saying not even 5-year-old Syrian refugees should be admitted to the US, Carson comparing Muslims to rabid dogs and opining that no Muslim should be allowed to be president, and Jeb! Bush stating that only Christian Syrian refugees should be let in. The inferences are pretty clear. And a lot of the GOP "base" just says it straight out. http://www.vox.com/2015/12/1/9822452/muslim-islamophobia-trump

[clarice]

86. Curious....what would You're solution to this terrible problem be? nt

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

87. People should stop being bigoted assholes?

[clarice]

88. No.... I mean about the terrorists. nt

[jberryhill]

11. Unfucking real

The usual refrain is "Where are the Muslims denouncing violence?"

So, if a group does so in a very public way, it's "Why are they saying its not about religion when they are a Muslim group?"

I know, let's hold them all underwater, and if they don't drown, then they are evil!

[uppityperson]

16. Seriously. Good rant and thank you

[Aerows]

19. Not the same thing here.

He has some unusual tells.

[jberryhill]

35. When was the last time he was thrust into a news conference being watched by millions of people?

Not knowing the person and their usual mannerisms, you have no idea. Obviously any person in his situation would be in quite a distressed emotional state, and would be attempting to control that for the purpose of appearing before television cameras.

You have no idea how you would act in such a situation.

[jonno99]

77. +1 Agree. nt

[Yorktown]

20. Nice non sequitur. Not what I pointed out.

I asked why the brother-in-law felt a need to give a press conference at a religious propaganda organization.

Is religion what defines his brother-in-law? Did he not have mental health issue? Why not a mental health institution? Why a religious institution?

CAIR was free to issue a separate statement later if they felt their religion was in some way linked to these murders.

[KittyWampus]

38. Because this is a group of his peers who want to distance themselves from a violent act.

As someone up-thread said, if Muslims don't denounce violence people whine & when they do people whine.

[NCTraveler]

73. Well said.

"I know, let's hold them all underwater, and if they don't drown, then they are evil!"

So many reasons he could be amazingly nervous. One being he might truly be in fear of disappearing and held underwater. At this point in time I really don't think that is hyperbole.

[Marrah_G]

12. I don't blame him one bit for having them there

In this political and societal climate? I would be nervous too. He also just had family members commit mass murder and then die....I would be in shock I think.

Try to imagine being Muslim, having your family members that you love not only commit murder, but mass murder in the name of religion and then watching them getting shot on live tv....seriously, cut the guy some slack. He wasn't the one who committed this horrendous act.

[Yorktown]

21. I simply disagree with the fact of involving religion at every corner

if your brother-in-law goes on a shooting spree, do you give a press conference from a temple or church or wherever you go if you are religiously inclined?

That was my question.

In other words, I object to religion creating defense/pressure groups. Any religion.

[Marrah_G]

24. I think it would be great if those defense group were not needed

[Yorktown]

25. I think it would be great if religion was gone

Defense groups will probably always be needed however.

[Marrah_G]

26. I agree

I have no problem with faith per se, but I do have a problem with organized religion and the issues it brings to society.

[KittyWampus]

40. So your responses point to your antipathy to religion, not an individual.

There's a word for that.

[Yorktown]

42. I'm sure you thought of a nice word

But my antipathy extends from religions to those who espouse religious ideologies closely.

Like the Colorado Springs or San Bernardino shooters.

Or those who fed them their ideologies.

[xmas74]

39. If you are receiving counsel from the group, then yes

you could hold a press conference from a temple or a church. Right now the BIL might just feel like Public Enemy Number One, even if he had nothing to do with what happened. A group like this could be able to set up a conference, contact the right people, make him feel safe and would have people with cooler heads that could stop the conference or cut off any lines of questioning that get out of hand.

It doesn't necessarily matter who the people or group are but that there was someone who could keep a cooler head for him during what must have been a horrible situation.

[Yorktown]

41. Oh, I perfectly understand why the BIL looked for support from CAIR

I was just pointing out why the whole set-up stank.

BIL needs support, OK. But did he get rational, honest support? No.
Obviously, CAIR asked the BIL to act surprised, saying the reason could have been anything
Which we know now was far removed from the truth.

But I wasn't really expecting the truth in any shape or form from CAIR.

[still_one]

15. I think the reason for that is obvious. What Farook did had everything to do with

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Islamic Jihadism, according to the evidence they have found so far.

What his brother-in-law is trying to do is defuse any anti-Muslim sentiments against the whole American Muslim community.

I didn't hear him specifically say it wasn't due to religion, but I may have missed it. I did hear him say they don't know what the motivational factors were, including radical ideology, which could imply jihadist Islam. However, even though I missed it, by saying it doesn't have anything to do with religion, could be the standard statement after similar instances, that the act done was actually against the religion. If that is so, that would not contradict that Farook's mindset did do it with a religious ideology in mind, but his brother-in-laws view was, that is not consistent with Muslims.

Maybe I am reading more into than it is

[Yorktown]

22. I would understand that, if it was done later

Why does the brother-in-law rush to CAIR if he deoesn't somehow suspect the murders are linked to religious beliefs?

[still_one]

31. I don't really know what CAIR is, so I will check it out

[librechik]

50. he knows the way things go here, and doesn't want to compromise his rights

which so many would love him to do. Think of them as pro-bono lawyers. I'm sure that's their function.

They are wise. The US is EVIL.

just saying. Am I allowed to say that?

[JI7]

29. i don't think they were saying it had nothing to do with religion as much

as saying what he did was not what true islam is about.

i said before that they need to stop arguing about islam itself and just say that violent acts are wrong no matter what islam or anything else says.

[Yorktown]

33. I am sick and tired of that 'true' Islam crap

Abrahamic religious texts are insanely violent.
True Judaism would imply stoning people for working on the Sabbath.

If true Islam is the texts, then any insult to Islam deserves death.

Which makes San Bernardino pretty OK as Farooq's co-worker was dissing Islam.

It's high time religions took a long, hard look at what they preach.

[librechik]

51. no more than Christian texts from long ago.

sticking to the letter of the law of God is repugnant in any form, if it nixes mercy.

[Yorktown]

57. Except that the OT and NT are so contradictory the Christian doctrine is a joke

islam is more coherent. Problematically so.

[librechik]

59. you're right--practically nobody has ever been killed by crazed Christians because texts are fuzzy

not a problem at all.

[Yorktown]

61. It is a problem, just as anyone can become loco over anything

But most of Christianity has evolved into a happy slappy nonsense, especially in Europe.

Granted, US evangelicals/Baptists and African Catholics remain scary, but I suppose/hope they are on the way out.

Radical Islam is more coherent, well funded and sitting on a demographic tide.

[librechik]

62. apples and oranges--radicals are all bad apples

don't compare non-radical christians to radical Islam. Doesn't make sense.

On the way out for a couple of thousand years.

[Yorktown]

64. Agreed, all radicals are bad

I was trying to make two points:
- the mainstream doctrine of Christianity is mellowing (see gays), not for Islam
- the power base of Islam is growing (demographics, money) , not Christianity (Pew poll)

So the end result of the product: harshness of mainstream doctrine x power base = increased production of radicals by Islam vs Christianity.

[librechik]

65. Why so much blame against Islam when we are not innocent? Throwing the first stone?

whatever. We can argue degrees of abuse all day. Pointless.

Have a nice day!

[840high]

32. yep

[olddots]

10. this mystery will be around for a long time

We love mysterys so much maybe people do vile things just to create mysteries .

[JI7]

13. it could be a case where he is now recalling things that happened in the past

which he can now connect to the shootings.

[complain jane]

14. Could be.

I can't imagine the vortex of insanity this guy just got handed.

[Aerows]

17. I'm with you.

He's not telling everything, and is way too nervous to even be sly about it.

[JDPriestly]

34. He is not telling everything because there is an ongoing investigation.

Isn't one of the believed killers not yet captured?

And yes. Religion probably was a factor in these killings. How much of a factor is not known.

When there is a horrible jihadist killing then it makes life very difficult for Muslims who are not jihadists. So it is understandable that the brother-in-law is very upset about this event. Besides if a family member killed people in this way, wouldn't any one of us be utterly devastated? Wouldn't we feel just bereft, lost and wouldn't we wonder what to do? What to say? Nothing suffices to make a horrible crime like that right.

[cwydro]

36. No, there is no one still out there from these killings.

The police and FBI said that the two shooters were the two who were killed.

[JDPriestly]

43. THanks. But their still may be groups or individuals who were in contact with them and had

knowledge of their intentions. The investigation is still ongoing. That is my suspicion. They have been pretty closed-mouthed about the investigation thus far -- unless I have not been following it closely enough.

[cwydro]

46. Yeah, I agree with you there.

The guy seemed to be a loner, but she or both of them may have terrorist contacts.

It's scary.

[complain jane]

52. That's what I'm wondering, too.

I would imagine that you might not be able to amass the small arsenal that they had without other people involved.

If these two were so radicalized as to be able to do this yet not be on anyone's radar, how many more like these are here?

[Reter]

72. Wednesday they said three shooters

What happened?

[Yo_Mama]

55. Well, the family lawyered up, but I think it is about the mother.

It is going to be difficult to claim that she knew nothing if they were building that many bombs.

Plenty of people shoot, and since one of the family was a service member, that's more to be expected than otherwise. But WHO BUILDS BOMBS??????

I have wondered if the reports that the mother lived with the couple were wrong. I cannot believe that the mother would countenance this.

Anyone would be freaked out if a family member had done something like this.

Once the family had lawyered up, the lawyer would be dictating exactly what was said, so that might explain your impression.

[complain jane]

90. Shitty bombs too, that didn't work and

allegedly they also tried to modify one of the guns into a fully-auto and failed at that, too, thank God. Dipshits.

[Boudica the Lyoness]

23. There was something rather strange

about that press conference. Can't put my finger on it.

[Yorktown]

27. The choreography

Look at the way the two male minders behind nod at the answers as if agreeing they toed what he had been briefed.

Why say an act has nothing to do with religion from a religious advocacy group if it has nothing to do with religion?

[Boudica the Lyoness]

44. You're right.

I think I remember one of the minders seemed ready to interrupt if he went off script.

[Yorktown]

45. Reminded me of the forced confession scenes in novels about the goulag and laogai

Same oppressive atmosphere.

I guess that's why other posters also felt something strange about the scene

[Rex]

28. No, if so he did a good job of looking shocked.

IMO.

[flamingdem]

30. It was odd, chaotic, and more about

self defense than grief. As I said yesterday it was a bold mostly positive attempt to put a human face on Muslims but it was too soon. As far as what he is hiding - I think he cannot discuss the wife but she may be seen as the problem. Maybe ge was just coming out of denial. Today there were
reps from Farooks mosque and they seemed more solid - also regarding the wife they said they had no impression because she wore the niquab - I think they are more liberal in CA.

[cwydro]

37. There's something off.

I was watching with a friend, and both of us said it almost at the same time.

[complain jane]

54. I'm with you. And it's unnerving.

I mean that about the entire story.

And if Farook seemed so mild-mannered and easy-going, and this couple was able to cover their tracks so well and fool so many people, I'm inclined to wonder if this brother in law who threw off some odd vibes to some people might not be involved. I worry that these two were the tip of an iceberg.

[cwydro]

67. Have you seen the interview that Cuomo did with the family lawyer?

THAT was weird as hell. Basically insinuating that he didn't think those two did it.

And even worse, he commented, "Oh that was not a large amount of ammunition, kind of average."

[complain jane]

68. Oh Jesus. I'll have to check that out. n/t

[cwydro]

69. It was this morning on CNN.

Cuomo was incredulous as this guy kept saying that "things did not add up."

[complain jane]

70. Well stuff doesn't add up

It's a weird story. But at this point it seems hard to argue with the notion of it being terrorism.

[cwydro]

75. Yes, but they had an arsenal in their house and in their car.

That adds up to being guilty to me.

I agree the whole story is weird as hell.

[Glitterati]

47. No. I got the impression he was TERRIFIED

rightly so.

[octoberlib]

48. He's probably scared to death

his family is going to be retaliated against.

[proverbialwisdom]

49. Middle names distinguish identity of brothers?

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/262032-brother-of-suspected-san-bernardino-gunman-is-decorated-navy-vet

Brother of suspected San Bernardino gunman is decorated Navy vet
By Bradford Richardson - 12/03/15 05:00 PM EST

<>

The suspect’s brother, Syed Raheel Farook, enlisted in the the Navy in August 2003 and left in August 2007, Buzzfeed reported.

He received the National Defense Service Medal, the Global War on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal, the Global War on Terrorism Service Medal and the Sea Service Deployment Ribbon during his service, the report says.

<>

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3345337/Brother-San-Bernardino-gunman-decorated-Navy-veteran-honored-role-war-terror.html

Revealed: Brother of San Bernardino gunman is a decorated Navy veteran honored for his role in the war on terror

By KHALEDA RAHMAN FOR DAILYMAIL.COM and RUTH STYLES IN SAN BERNARDINO FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 20:03 EST, 3 December 2015 | UPDATED: 01:51 EST, 4 December 2015

Syed Rizwan Farook, 28, was named as the heavily armed gunman who massacred 14 at a conference center in California on Wednesday morning

But his brother Syed Raheel Farook served in the Navy for four years

The married father served as an information systems technician on the aircraft carrier USS Enterprise

His awards include the Global War on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal and Global War on Terrorism Service Medal

<>

[Yo_Mama]

53. If the mother was living with this nice young couple, how did she not notice the bomb making??

I doubt very much the rest of the family knew anything.

Apparently no one at either of the mosques the perp attended in the last few years had a clue. Sadly, one of the persons shot at this function was a regular attendee at the latest mosque, and it is likely that he knew her. Didn't matter, she gets it anyway.

For IS adherents, any Muslim not on their side is an enemy who deserves death.

[complain jane]

58. I wonder the same thing about the mother.

Unless the mother simply never went in the garage.

[pugetres]

60. This Khan fellow

is the husband of Syed Farook's sister, Saira? He isn't the brother of Tashfeen Malik, correct?

Unless both families were involved with terrorism and were working together, I have a hard time believing that Khan knew much about the activities of his wife's brother's wife.

[wheniwasincongress]

63. It seemed like he

didn't want to speak - he certainly couldn't say much because of the ongoing investigation - but was pushed into doing so, or chose to do so himself without thinking about it. Reminds me of that grizzled older guy (fisherman? boat captain?) that was interviewed on TV about 5 years ago when there was some sort of reinvestigation into Natalie Wood's death...this guy agreed to be interviewed on live TV but when asked questions he was like, "I can't discuss that" or some vague answer like that. Lawrence O "interviewed" him and seemed rather annoyed!

[OregonBlue]

66. Yes. And as for having them there, if even people on DU are insinuating that he had something to do

with it or is not telling what he knows then I'd say he needs all the support he can get. They has resources to help him. And given what I'm reading on the right-wing sites, he's going to need it. They are already ready to lynch him for being related to the guy.

[NCTraveler]

71. Shut your spidey senses off when things like this happen.

His brother in law just mowed down a shitload of people. There is a possibility he woke up one morning, was having a great day, then his whole world was turned upside down. Families are often victims as well. Judging a woman by her reaction right after a rape is crappy. Judging the facial expression, words, and body action of a man whose brother in law just made the news on every outlet in the world for terrorism and mass murder might not be the best way to go.

[countryjake]

74. Maybe he heard what Trump bellowed on Wednesday?

I'd imagine that he was understandably terrified...and for very good reason, too.

When you have prominent Americans spewing out reactionary bullshit on national TV, it affects people in various ways, and when any normal person just happens to be a potential target of those wild blatherings, I'd think that it would be absolutely terrifying to suddenly find oneself in such a position.

I understand why the Council of American Islamic Relations held that press conference and also why they'd feel it was prudent to thrust the extended family of these mass murderers into the limelight, allowing a family statement to be made expressing condolences for the victims and their families (which is all that Mr. Khan was there to do, as the family spokesman...the barrage of questions by reporters was not a scheduled part of the presser).

I think it's a real shame, in this day and age, that such a news conference was even necessary. And I pity both the Khan family and the entire Farook family, especially the sister of Syed Rizwan Farook, Saira Khan.

I can't even imagine being an American in that position.

Donald Trump on terrorists: 'Take out their families' December 3, 2015

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/02/politics/donald-trump-terrorists-families/index.html?sr=twCNN120215donald-trump-terrorists-families/0141PMVODtopLink&linkId=19235497

Washington (CNN)—Donald Trump said Wednesday that he would kill the families of terrorists in order to win the fight against ISIS...

~snip~

"The other thing with the terrorists is you have to take out their families, when you get these terrorists, you have to take out their families. They care about their lives, don't kid yourself. When they say they don't care about their lives, you have to take out their families," Trump said.

Trump said he would "knock the hell out of" ISIS, and criticized the U.S. for "fighting a very politically correct war."

[obnoxiousdrunk]

80. I thought that

the brother was the Navy Vet not the brother-in-law.

[KamaAina]

82. D'oh!

What do I know? I'm an only and a bachelor.

[countryjake]

89. I think you should have left that link to MohRokTah's thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027415308


Brother-in-law or brother, sister, mother...they're all suspect now, no matter what they say, do, or have done in the past. (I would hope that I don't need a sarcasm tag, here)

Brother of San Bernardino shooter is a decorated Navy veteran honored for good conduct

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/brother-calif-shooting-decorated-navy-vet-article-1.2454568?cid=bitly

The brother of the San Bernardino shooter is a decorated Navy veteran who was given a good conduct award, military records show.

Syed Raheel Farook joined the Navy in August 2003 and left the military four years later with accolades, a Navy spokesman told the Daily News Thursday.

He served with distinction while working as an Information System Technician, Third Class.

“He was a computer technician,” the Navy spokesman confirmed

[countryjake]

81. The "suspect" person of this thread is only a brother-in-law...

not even an actual Farook blood brother.

It's obvious to me how retaliation and vengeance events are easily precipitated and I feel sorrow for anyone who has ever been associated with the Farook family from Chicago, simply because they all are now finding themselves under the same "guns" as the ones that were used to shoot so many innocent people this week.

[hollowdweller]

78. One thing is for sure

You can bet the US gov't is checking the hell out of all the relatives and contacts.

[complain jane]

91. Yep. n/t