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At the Islamic Center of Riverside, where Farook had worshipped until about two years ago, mosque director Mustapha Kuko described him as quiet, private and devoted to Koran study.
He knows that we believe that to take one life is to take all life. So for him to do the opposite of what we as Muslims believe
I dont know, Kuko said.
One victim, who worked in the same department as Farook, was also a member of the congregation, he said.
He shot her, Kuko said. Point blank.
The victims husband reported she is in stable condition, he said.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-syed-farook-tashfeen-malik-shooters-san-bernardino-20151203-story.html
ck4829
(35,077 posts)This needs to spread, some cognitive dissonance is needed.
BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)For what that is worth.
Yorktown
(2,884 posts)That's verse 5:32. It's an account of god telling Jews he told them that.
Which was a safe bet on muhamad's part, because the sentence is in the Misnah Sanhedrin
The problem is that the verse which immediatly follows 5:32 in the Quran negates it:
ck4829
(35,077 posts)Yorktown
(2,884 posts)etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)Is the assumption that most Christians ascribe to the teachings in the old testament?
While the Koran Calls for Violence, The Bible Is Even Worse Calling for Genocide
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/08/no_author/is-the-bible-more-bloodthirsty-than-the-koran/
Christians and Jews rightly point out that the Koran is a violent text which calls on Muslims to attack unbelievers.
But they fail to see that the Bible is at least as violent
Yorktown
(2,884 posts)Yes, all abrahamic 'holy books' are insanely violent. But, in its directives, the Quran is currently the 'holy book' which mechanically leads to the most violence.
For Jews, whatever insane violence is in the Torah is mitigated by the fact Judaism is a closed club. Invitation by mother only. Which restrains the scope of possible violence to a few millions. And limits territorail demands as the holy book is only a land claim on Israel. Besides, Jews obviously chose to disregard the letter of the text, or people working on Saturdays in Israel would be stoned to death.
Christianity's text are so contradictory they end up not meaning anything. Fundamentalist Christians follow the OT which is in obvious contradiction with the spirit of the NT. Christians might choose to do violence in the name of the OT, but it just doesn't make sense. Anyway the total sum of contradictions in Christianity is so great it's a miracle -pun intended- that anybody takes it seriously.
For Islam, things are far more problematic because of the doctrine: the holy book says it is holy, perfect, the word of God, unchangeable forever. The problem that when he wrote it, muhamad was recounting his adventures which involved quite a bit of fighting and calls for war. And he didn't put time stamps and sell-by dates.
So, if one is serious about the Quran, one must commit violence in the name of religion. The problem is compounded by the ludicrous hadiths where people decades later made up stories pushing the whole doctrine toward the more violent interpretation of the Quran.
So, in the end, the product (violence of the text) x (injunction to apply the text no matter what) makes Islam the abrahamic religion which incites the most to violence.
Which makes it somewhat more toxic than Judaism or Christianity which themselves are problematic ideologies.
bklyncowgirl
(7,960 posts)She was a sinner in their eyes.