Why isnt the teevee telling us how Dear was radicalized by religion?

[valerief]

Mr. No-More-Baby-Parts was radicalized by Cruz and Fiorina and hate radio. Why aren't we at war with these radicals?

Religion kills.

[mmonk]

1. Those were my thoughts as well.

[leftstreet]

2. DURec

[GummyBearz]

3. Did Dear pledge loyalty to Fiorna on facebook? I didn't see it

[Buzz Clik]

5. Sheeeit. Really?

Who are you playing to? Let me guess....

[GummyBearz]

9. Playing to an apples and oranges comparison

I prefer apples to apples. To each their own though

[Buzz Clik]

10. Ok, let's pretend: Why is this apples and oranges?

[GummyBearz]

13. You are comparing Dear shooting to the San Bernadino shooting

The San Bernadino shooters publicly pledged to loyalty to ISIS. I don't think Dear has done the same to Fiorina.

And as mean as Fiorina may be, she is not ISIS. Pretty poor comparison there too

[Buzz Clik]

17. I'm not comparing anything -- that was the OP. But, ...

Granted, ISIS is an international organization that specializes in murder carried out against anyone who stands in their way, and Fiorina is simply running for office. So, they are not identical.

However, ISIS uses highly charged emotional issues to inspire their devotees to action. Fiorina did exactly the same thing. ISIS takes credit for their deeds, and Fiorina pretends her words were taken as inspiration, though they clearly were. Fiorina and other anti-abortion radicals consider abortion to be an abomination -- actions against the will of God -- and make no apologies for the death and destruction invoked on behalf of the cause.

Are Fiorina and ISIS identical? Nope.

Are there many similarities? Yep.

[GummyBearz]

21. You asked me why I thought it was apples to oranges... so I did

The many similarities between Fiorina and ISIS ends with "they use emotional issues to inspire things".

That's about as similar as an apple is to an orange... "they both grow on trees"

[Buzz Clik]

22. Oh ... I forgot to wave!

I'm no longer pretending.

?

(that's supposed to be a burning mole)

[GummyBearz]

24. Looks like a balrog squirrel

Pretty scary little thing

[Buzz Clik]

26. Ignore in 3, 2, 1, ....

buh bye!

Say "hey" to the gang...

[dembotoz]

47. so just how much blood on the hands would you require?????

ted cruz shirt with dna matched blood?

matching bullets in carlys purse????


1 bag o negative??
2 bags

we have many samples of crud and carly the liar saying all manner of vile and provocative things.

and folks like you will remain silent...

[GummyBearz]

69. In order to compare ted cruz with Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi?

As soon as Ted Cruz is selling women like cattle to be sex slaves, murdering every person not of his faith by the thousands upon thousands, murdering every minority or homosexual he can find, and making it legal to do so by law. Then they will be comparable. Until that literally happens, lets drop the ridiculousness of claiming they are equally bad people.

Why even end the ridiculous comparison with Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi anyway? Why not just go for the holy grail of evil... why not say Ted Cruz is equivalent to Hitler and would murder 6+ million innocents, cause tens of millions more to die, in an attempt to militarily take over the entire world, which will in FACT happen if he is elected?

IMO we, as democrats, should stop looking silly and stop losing political capital with these ridiculous false comparisons. The problem of Cruz/Fiorina can be addressed appropriately without going batshit crazy claiming they are the next antichrist (like the loony right wingers claimed obama was).

[maddiemom]

61. Good take, except...

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I truly doubt Fiorina considers abortion "an abomination against God." She's never carried and delivered a child, just been a stepmom. I fully expect her to say next "I tried desperately to have children, but had to turn to being a hardass in business to make up for never being a Mom." No one, male or female, reaches a high level in business without some real ambition and maneuvering. This doesn't necessarily mean that they have the ability to carry it off forever, but usually come out financially fine. Fiorina is a perfect example. I'm only a few years older than Carly, and used to admire her "achievement," knowing the drive she needed (I was a corporate wife for many years, but in a "helping profession," myself). This is why I have no doubt Carly's anti-abortion stance is SO phony. Obviously she's been a lifetime user of birth control, and slip-ups are rare when you're careful, so...not saying she's ever had an abortion---just doubting she really gives a shit.

[Buzz Clik]

62. Yikes.

She's probably OCD enough that she never missed a pill in decades of birth control, but I know exactly what you're saying.

Totally agree.

Good analysis.

[Myrina]

27. Dear didn't claim "public loyalty" to Fiorina, but he was a PP protester ...

.... therefore claiming public loyalty to the anti-choice causes that she has become the mouthpiece for.

[Nevernose]

63. Dear DID "pledge allegiance" to the Army of God

A well known group of Christian terrorists responsible for decades of murder, bombings, and arson.

Another case of domestic terrorism radicalized primarily on the Internet.

http://www.coloradoindependent.com/156454/robert-dear-army-of-god-was-against-abortion

[SunSeeker]

77. ^^^THIS^^^

[lark]

72. Both were done for religious reasons.

That's a valid comparison. People are dead because of the killers religious beliefs, that's the facts. One was maybe more organized and one was a "lone wolf" but they are both killers. The OP is pointing out that the media wants to forget about the PP killings in favor of the sexier Muslim killings. If Dear has been Muslim, this would have been still in the news and still being discussed in the msm.

[erronis]

78. Yes. Religion is at the base of many bad deeds.

We won't be the first to say or think this but it's always amazing how the US can gloss over the hatred that spews from many xian churches. Perhaps the final bullet in the chamber is how the churches somehow sanctify violence in the name of that poor caring Jesus (at least from what I've heard.)

[valerief]

6. Show me where the word radicalized is defined as being associated with Facebook. nt

[Buzz Clik]

23. Don't waste your time on that one.

He's playing to an audience.

[valerief]

25. Yeah, I can tell. I just wanted a response before I put him on Ignore. nt

[LanternWaste]

8. Neither loyalty nor extremism requires a pledge on Facebook.

Neither loyalty nor extremism requires a pledge on Facebook. That may be why you didn't see it-- it's optional, much like choosing to ask an absurd and irrelevant question is.

[lark]

71. He paid homage to her lies

by muttering "no more baby body parts". Quit trying to defend the indefensible.

[Buzz Clik]

4. Because "radicalized" is a dog whistle term for "sneaky, angry, killer Muslim"

[Myrina]

28. ^^ This, x10 ^^

n/t

[Rex]

7. Because they are needed (the ones that vote) by the GOP so that they can shore up votes.

The GOP only exists in the state it is in today, because the M$M has enabled, pandered and just flat out lied for them for decades now...in order to earn a paycheck from their GOP paymasters.

And since the GOP is clearly the party that Dear would associate with, the media has to do everything they can to avoid discussing the issue. And now they dropped it like a hot potato. Now they have a couple that meet their traditional narrative, so expect Dear to never be talked about again by the M$M.

[restorefreedom]

49. nailed it. nt

[hifiguy]

58. So true, so true.

[malaise]

68. Spot on

Wish I could rec

[Yorktown]

11. Actually, that should come soon

As Christianity retreats in the US, the media will increasingly remove the baby gloves and demagogues/religious nuts like Cruz will be left hanging in the wind.

Hopefully.

[davidn3600]

12. Are you comparing Ted Cruz to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi?

[valerief]

15. Sure. I'm a woman. If Cruz could get away with treating women the same way,

he would. Look at how his rhetoric and votes hate women already.

[Calista241]

38. Al-baghdadi is a stone cold killer, who is exterminating

People for fun. Whether they're Christian, Shiite, Yazidi or Kurd, it makes no difference.

When the ISIS reign of terror is over, we're going to have another name to add to the long list of genocidal maniacs like Genghis Khan, Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, and Leopold II.

The fact that we compare Ted Cruz's actions to these unspeakable atrocities committed by power mad, evil incarnate dictators, just costs us Democrats our credibility. Frankly it makes us look silly with our first world problems.

[valerief]

43. Give Cruz time. His Xtian jihad against women can't happen overnight. nt

[maddiemom]

51. AH, but those like Cruz and Fiorina may not commit atrocities or deliberately

INSPIRE atrocities; the point is that they really don't CARE or accept responsibility if an atrocity or two happens due to their rhetoric or associations. The many thousands of potential voters who support their prejudicial fabrications but are NOT whacko enough to go out and take lives are worth a few violent whackos to them, it would seem. Why else cry "FIRE!" in a crowded (with nutcases) theater?

[lark]

74. +1,000,000

Exactly right.

[DashOneBravo]

54. + 100

[LittleBlue]

55. These people think everything's about them

They don't care that Ted Cruz isn't holding slave auctions where thousands of women are sold like cattle. Nor is he openly advocating genocide.

The left is losing so much credibility and political capital on this issue it's astonishing.

[abelenkpe]

14. and FOX news. nt

[valerief]

16. They're a mouthpiece for the PTB who use religion as a tool to exploit and plunder. nt

[librechik]

18. we won't be hearing much about that guy anymore

white christian, you know...

[valerief]

19. Bingo! That's how the PTB roll. nt

[hifiguy]

59. I was thinking he very same thing yesterday.

You will never hear his name again in the M$M. Wrong optics. Can't have that.

[suffragette]

20. They would have to acknowledge that fundies are more alike than different

across religions and nations.
There's also that strong rightwing idealogical bent.

With Dear, I kept thinking of the George Tiller murder and the known connection to Operation Rescue.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheryl_Sullenger

Sullenger and her husband both pleaded guilty to conspiring to blow up the Alvarado Medical Center abortion clinic with a gasoline bomb.[2] Sullenger's husband was sentenced to 18 months and she was sentenced to three years by US District Judge Earl B. Gillam. Her sentence was scheduled to begin after her husband's ended so that one of them could stay at home with their daughters, then four and six-years-old.[2] Sullenger served two years in U.S. federal prison and was released in April 1990.[3]

Following completion of her sentence, Sullenger taught children at a Christian school for seven years. She was also elected to the Central Committee of the 75th District of the San Diego Republican Party.[1]

Wichita and Operation Rescue
In 2003 Sullenger moved to Wichita, Kansas where she began serving as a senior policy advisor for Operation Rescue under Troy Newman. With Newman she wrote the books Their Blood Cries Out! and Abortion Free. In 2003 she and Newman issued a statement on behalf of murderer Paul Jennings Hill, writing that his assassination of physician John Britton and his bodyguard was a "justifiable defensive action".[4] As a part of Operation Rescue, she pressured companies to cease doing business with abortion provider George Tiller, once following his wife Jeanne to a cleaning company at a strip mall and taking her picture. Sullenger also participated in protests at the homes of clinic workers.[5]

Link to Tiller assassination
In 2009 Sullenger drew attention following the trial of Scott Roeder, the anti-abortion activist who assassinated Wichita physician George Tiller. Sullenger initially denied any contact with Roeder, but after her name and phone number were discovered on the dashboard of his car, she revealed that she had kept him informed of Tiller's scheduled court dates.[6][7] Rachel Maddow ran an expose covering an alleged "unholy alliance" between Sullenger and Roeder.[8] Jacob M. Appel has highlighted Sullenger's violent history in his efforts to enact mandatory lifelong registration for perpetrations of crimes against abortion clinics.[9]

Sullenger serves as director of Kansans for Truth in Politics, a social conservative activist group.



http://www.thenation.com/article/whos-behind-the-planned-parenthood-sting-video-troy-newman-and-other-rabid-anti-choicers/

Operation Rescue continues to this day to employ Cheryl Sullenger, who, in 1988, was found guilty of attempting to bomb a family-planning clinic. She did two years for her crime in federal prison.

[maddiemom]

52. Good, informative post!

[blm]

29. GOP is helping Daesh radicalize US muslims, too, with their hateful rhetoric

intended to smear and alienate all muslims.

GOP thinks that the more they can get people hating all muslims the better their chance to gain control of the WH.

Sick minds on all sides - GOP and Daesh working together to fulfill apocalyptic prophecies of insane religious extremists.

[valerief]

31. And more reason for war and WAR PROFITS for defense contractors. nt

[hifiguy]

60. Eeyup.

[sinkingfeeling]

45. +10000

[southerncrone]

66. Not the first time the GOP has worked in the dark w/Mideastern rebels.

I remember 1980 well.

[Triana]

30. Because it's OK when "Christians" do it.

But when Muslims do it, that's BAD.

[jtuck004]

32. For God's sake, Christians can't be radicals. God tells them what to do. Not like those people. n/t

[odd_duck]

33. Remember....

It's only terrorism when "Mohammad" pulls the trigger.

[KamaAina]

34. Silly valerief. No one in all of history has ever been radicalized by Christianity.

Only them there evul Mooslims do that.

[muntrv]

35. Because what Dear is doing is righteous, according to fixed noise.

[retrowire]

36. Because Christianity is the one true good religion.

Ugh.

[maddiemom]

67. If I remember correctly from a world religion class years back:

Didn't Muslims regard Jesus as a prophet, like Mohammed, just not the son of God (or Allah)...somewhat like the Jews? I may be wrong. In the mid to late Sixties, when I was a college student, philosophy classes also covered these religious beliefs. Some Catholic kids back then even had some doubts about studying other religions, but always got with the program. The similarities of Creation stories over different cultures are always amazing.

[6chars]

76. What teachings of Jesus are most abhorrent to you?

[retrowire]

79. none of them that I can think of. why? nt

[napkinz]

37. haven't you heard? there are ONLY Islamic Terrorists ... who ever heard of a Christian Terrorist?

[Vinca]

39. The right demands the POTUS use the term "Islamic terrorist."

How do they feel about the term "Christian terrorist?"

[Nye Bevan]

40. If Dear had belonged to some kind of extremist church,

and regularly attended services where the pastor ranted and raved about evil abortion doctors, I'm sure we would have heard about it. Or if he had written (or had been heard saying) about how Carly Fiorina's comments inspired his crimes. Or if he had had documented connections with other extremists like Eric Rudolph.

[world wide wally]

41. But the guy in Colorado was "mentally ill"

[Proserpina]

42. Xtianity isn't radical (for them)

Not even the GMO-fueled abomination that fundamentalists preach.

Christ would have kittens, for what is done in his name...

[sinkingfeeling]

44. Shush, you're not allowed to point that out here.

[el_bryanto]

50. What happens if you point out that double standard?

Is it that some people disagree with you? Because that happens pretty much no matter what you post.

Bryant

[Live and Learn]

46. I don't think it is so much the religions as some of the religious leaders that are to blame. nt

[pansypoo53219]

48. because now the media is in full FEAR BOOGIE MAN MODE. they can say ISIS IN AMERIKA!!!

BOO! now elect a republican.

[Codeine]

53. Presumably for the same reason nobody on DU spent the last two days

desperately trying to pretend his religion had nothing to do with it -- double standards are everywhere.

[malaise]

56. The parallels are breath-taking

and therein lies the problem - if it's OK when it's 'their' religion, they'll take all of us down. Religion has been killing forever.

[hifiguy]

57. The existence of RWNJ buybull-inspired lunatics

and the violence they commit is a Truth That May Not Be Told. BEcause in the M$M world such things simply Do Not Exist.

Pure and simple.

[niyad]

64. because they are still trying to pretend that one of the very real threats in THIS country

are the insane hate-filled reichwingnutjobs.

[lark]

70. There's no war funding for fighting crazy Christians

so not profitable and nothing is done. Besides, Repugs know they created these monsters, that's why Fiorina slapped back so sharply, hit dogs yelp first. They create the conditions then deny the results.

[flamingdem]

73. Great point! I wish that the hate speech in the US could be controlled

as well as Islamic nuttery.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

75. He's a chistian