On MSNBC live now reporters rampaging through Farook's apartment.

[bklyncowgirl]

Family pictures, credit cards, maybe the first picture we've seen of the mystery wife though it also looked a bit like his sister. What I'm shocked at is that the FBI would allow the landlord to do this. He got $1000 from some TV station. NBC had to go in behind them.

[H2O Man]

1. Recommended.

The fact that the can of mixed nuts contained peanuts is huge. Few facts could give more insight into all of the inter-related circumstances that resulted in this tragedy.

[bklyncowgirl]

4. I personally liked Andrea Mitchell pressing the reporter on what sort of computer equipment they had

"Well Andrea it's an LG monitor and one of those multifunction printer things."

The baby's book "Tales from the Koran" and someone's beginner Arabic workbook was sort of cool too.

[suffragette]

87. This is very strange.

[951-Riverside]

2. Disgusting

Someone needs to be fired for this.

The shooting happened 2 days ago and they're already allowing reporters to rifle through potential evidence?

What the fuck?

[snooper2]

5. you don't think they haven't covered every square inch of that place twice by now?

taken prints off everything?

taken any/everything of any possible value evidence wise?

[951-Riverside]

15. No, I don't

There is always something that could be missed and when you're allowing the public trample through a crime scene 2 days after a potential terrorist attack, you're an idiot or you just don't give a shit.

The people who allowed this should be fired without a doubt, there is NO need whatsoever to allow reporters do this. I could understand a week later but not 2 fucking days later and that is what pisses me off

[Rex]

24. Agree I cannot believe they let this happen.

Why even let news reporters in at all? Why not give them copies of the pics the FBI took of the place?

Stupid move imo.

[dumbcat]

51. Yeah, whose house do they think this is

anyway?

[Rex]

54. Yeah that has so much to do with tainting a crime scene...oh wait it has nothing to do with it.

But that still does not explain why they let the reporters in. Never done that before.

[dumbcat]

62. I'll admit that it seems unusual, and soon

but if the FBI had finished it's work what excuse would they have not to turn it back over to the owner? He may be needing the rental income stream to survive.

[Rex]

65. Because it is apparent they did not clear the crime scene as is being reported by the reporters?

Right now?

[dumbcat]

70. How is it apparent?

Did the FBI still have the house blocked, taped off and guarded? Or did they release it to the owner?

[Rex]

80. The reporters are reporting on it now live from the house.

SO I don't know how it cannot be apparent. Maybe it was not such a good idea to let them inside? Did the FBI think they would not bring up what they see in the house?

[dumbcat]

81. I fail to see the concern

Why would the FBI care if the reporters bring up what they see in the house?

[Rex]

82. Maybe they want them to, maybe this was done on purpose.

Who knows, just all I know is that the FBI has never allowed this to happen before...so it seems strange yes?

[dumbcat]

110. Yes, it does seem strange

but so do a lot of other things these days. Maybe I am getting too old.

Peace.

[Rex]

111. I hear ya.

Have a good one.

[truedelphi]

27. Totally agree with you, Riverside. nt /

[Rex]

23. How do you know they did? Why not just give copies of the pics they took of the crime scene?

So just that fast, the place is deemed okay for reporters to pick through like a rummage sale? Bullshit. This was a stupid move by the FBI.

[csziggy]

48. The "experts" on CNN said they saw no indication of fingerprint powder

And they were upset that the scene had been opened for the media like this. Also, the various IDs and papers, including shredded papers, seemed indicative that not everything of potential evidentiary value had been secured.

[bklyncowgirl]

7. What's up with the FBI?

Alright they took out the computers and I'm sure all the documentary evidence but this is just bizarre.

[Rex]

72. Reporters are reporting live on scene that there is no evidence that the FBI did anything

BUT take out the computers. This is dam peculiar.

[treestar]

105. There's not much of a case to solve

They are both dead so there is no prosecution to worry about.

Though maybe they should be looking into whether anyone else was involved.

[brush]

127. Not just that, it's a huge 4th Amendment violation

They showed the driver's license with name on photo of a family member on the air, they went through closets, drawers.

Seems journalists should know that their 1st Amendment right don't trump the publics' 4th Amendment rights. It never occurred to any of those clowns that what they should not be airing personal information that could endanger family members not even involved in the crime. And it never occurred to news directors at the networks to instruct their crews to get the hell out of there.

Heads should roll as there are sure to be lawsuits to come and big bucks to be shelled out with this screw-up.

[misterhighwasted]

3. Just saw that. It really made me sick.

News camera & Press jamming into the baby's bedroom sifting through toys & of course offering their hard hitting analogy of those baby toys & books.
Sick

[Atman]

6. Shocked.

I've never seen anything like this. Reporters rummaging through the house, even Andrea Greenspan was asking the reporter to stop. He was holding up pictures of the the children, going through the drawers. If Andrea was disgusted, you know this was seriously fucked up. How was this allowed to happen?

[bklyncowgirl]

13. Andrea told him to stop showing the kids' pictures.

Looks like they've cut the feed off now.

[tavernier]

129. Oh, so that's why the sister

looked more pissed off than grief stricken in her interview. She did say something about pictures of the kids (including her own) being shown on the air.

Amazing!!

[corkhead]

92. It started with the white Bronco.

[global1]

8. Looks Like A Terrorist Estate Sale....

I wonder when we'll be seeing items from this apartment on e-bay?

This is unfathomable. I can't believe that the FBI or police let this happened. Why wasn't this apartment quarantined? This is a travesty. And the media is all over this apartment. Somebody is going to lose his or her job for this contamination of evidence.

They even showed shredded documents in a wastebasket that weren't confiscated. I just can't believe this.

[Rex]

20. Believe it. Reality News is here to stay.

SO what if the FBI missed something and now they cannot say with certainty, because they let the reporters taint a crime scene. Why not just give the media pics taken for evidence purposes? This was a stupid move imo, by the FBI.

[annabanana]

9. ghoulish and disgusting

made my flesh crawl

[olddots]

10. the big media guestion

" boxers or briefs ? "

[LiberalArkie]

11. Evidently the FBI has released the site back to the owner. The owner has to

find someway to pay for the damage done the the apartment. Blown out windows, broken down doors etc.

[Rex]

14. He doesn't have insurance?

If not then he is breaking the law.

[LiberalArkie]

39. I wonder what the deductible is?

[Rex]

43. Or what the agent will write this off as.

Matter of fact, I don't even know if acts of terrorism are covered so you might be 100% correct in your first post.

[Fumesucker]

41. Insurance may not cover damage from these sorts of events

[Rex]

46. Yeah the dim bulb in my head finally lit up a bit.

I wonder if that is something covered? After 9/11 I would say yes, but maybe it was optional and the landlord did not take it. I would think they would need all kinds of coverage under and umbrella policy.

[dumbcat]

44. What law would he be breaking?

if he didn't have insurance on the house? Do you have any idea?

And even if he does have insurance, it will likely balk at paying anything for results of a criminal act.

[Rex]

50. Insurance for liability reasons to cover his tenants in case they don't have renters insurance.

Sometimes that can be mandatory to get a permit. Yeah acts of terrorism might not be covered, I would think after 9/11 that would be a policy change but maybe not. Maybe they consider it an act of god by extension?

[dumbcat]

59. Why would the landlord be liable for the tenant's actions?

As far as his liability for his own actions, that is a risk he is allowed to take in all states I have ever lived in, including California. I owned a hose there for 20 years and was not required to have any insurance on it. Yes, I would be at risk, but I know of no Ca law requiring insurance.

[Rex]

61. This has to do with the landlord needing to have insurance on the dwelling in order to get a

permit to be in business. Nothing to do with the tenants.

[Rex]

12. Well of course! What else would you expect ratings vultures to do?

They need paychecks too ya know!

[mmonk]

16. This doesn't seem to inform. What is its purpose?

[Rex]

22. To entertain, we don't do inform anymore.

Not since CNN decided it was okay to ask marines what they were doing invading Iraq in 1992. That was the day real news died in America imo.

[boston bean]

25. I have to say i was informed.

Shockingly so. Amazed it was allowed. Never seen anything like it.

[Rex]

29. Me neither, I had to rub my eyes to see if I was hallucinating.

Nope...they really were 'going there' and now it is common practice. I cannot imagine why after just 2 days, the FBI is allowing a gaggle of reporters to trample the place and rummage through the house like it was a fire sale on black Friday.

This is a new low for journalistic integrity imo. And the FBI. 2 days and you have all the evidence you need?

Really?

[boston bean]

30. When the media itself is uncomfortable

With something then you know something is off.

What a cluster. Makes me have a bit less trust in the law enforcement officials and how they investigate.

Everything should have been photographed as it laid and then boxed up and hauled to a secure evidence facility.

[Rex]

37. Yes and why not give the reporters some of those pictures instead of letting them inside?

Even Mulder and Scully don't work that fast and they are just actors on a stage! Something smells rotten in Denmark.

[arcane1]

31. Are you referring to this particular event, or television news in general?

I suppose the answer is the same either way.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

17. Ah, the LA media.....

Someone call KTLA and tell them Kim Kardashian just shat out her next baby and they'll book it out of there to cover that.

[KamaAina]

19. Snarf!

[deminks]

18. My BS detector has been going off all morning.

I haven't felt this bad since Katrina.

[exboyfil]

21. Doesn't a rental contract

continue through the estate? The tenants may not be in compliance of the lease contract, but the estate still has rights in this matter. Eviction has to follow a process.

Anyone know the law in this area. Just because the leaseholder is dead can the owner allow access to anyone into the apartment?

[Gidney N Cloyd]

52. Great point.

[deminks]

26. Digby is live tweeting, says CNN is going through the refrigerator. nt

[Freddie]

33. Sounds like an episode of "House"

[randome]

35. God knows what's in the sock drawer!

Good God, this is disgusting.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[boston bean]

45. They were rummaging through the babies room

And her toys.

In the bathroom going through photos.

Opening closets and cabinets.

It was surreal. Almost unbelievable.

[The_Casual_Observer]

28. This is a circus, the whole thing has turned into a circus. A media event for entertainment.

[bettyellen]

32. What? Who allowed this. Holy shit.

[boston bean]

34. Strangest frickin thing. It was surreal.

[dumbcat]

47. Uh, I think it was the owner

that owns the house. Should someone else have been able to allow it?

[bettyellen]

79. Well I bet he made some money, but yikes.

[suffragette]

60. Holy shit is right. This sounds bizarre. And very questionable.

[Boudica the Lyoness]

36. This is most strange.

I'm not seeing finger print dust anywhere, but I'm seeing piles of folded clothes etc that nobody searched through.

[exboyfil]

49. Top 10 international terrorist attack

in the U.S. You really have to wonder. I could have sworn the cops mentioned a third person escaping from the SUV on the scanner.

Maybe they did not spend much time in the apartment because they already knew what was going on in it. I have to grab my tin foil hat.

[bettyellen]

85. there was someone running from the direction of the SUV, they arrested that person

and apparently released them.

[boston bean]

53. It did not look like it had been searched thoroughly.

I agree with you.

[exboyfil]

66. Did any reporter comment on the elephant in the room

Why hadn't it been searched? Cops will tear a house apartment looking for drugs. You would think the apartment would have looked like a bomb went off in it after they were done. I would think they would have gone to the point of even pulling the dry wall off the walls.

[boston bean]

75. I just saw a cell phone on the kitchen counter. Wtf!

[Agnosticsherbet]

38. Once a crdime scene is released, a landlord can do as he pleases.

It reminds me of the 1800's, when famous dead gunfighter's were posed, people could have their photographs taken with them, and everything they had on them was sold to the highest bidder.

[OldHippieChick]

40. If they are opening the refrigerator

Where's Geraldo???

[brooklynite]

42. BREAKING NEWS: They found a popsicle

[Rex]

58. Wow, one that hovers right above your hand without a stick!

Bad photoshops are just that.

[cwydro]

55. Holy crap!

What the hell?

The FBI allowed this? Not only that, but wouldn't the family have some kind of say in this?

[Glimmer of Hope]

68. It is very odd! Something about this isn't right.

[cwydro]

76. That landlord must be a real POS.

This is just wrong on so many levels.

Unfortunately, I missed it. Hard to imagine without seeing it.

[B2G]

56. Have no idea if Mashable is reliable, but

"A spokesperson for the FBI office in Los Angeles, which is handling the investigation, seemed shocked when Mashable asked about the scene and if the public was allowed to enter the apartment.

"I do not believe so but I can check," she said. "My understanding is it is still an ongoing investigation."


http://mashable.com/2015/12/04/san-bernardino-shooters-apartment-journalists/#Ne7U3WKEUgqk

[brooklynite]

69. CNN reporter ("on the scene") reports that the property was released to the owner.

[951-Riverside]

57. They didnt do this after the James Holmes theatre shooting

14 people died here, many more were injured, there could be other accomplices, there could be things that were missed in the initial search, there could be hair, fingerprints, DNA or other clues still there but the FBI allows the public just go through the attackers things 2 days later?

I'm at a loss for words here.

I cannot believe what I'm seeing.

[B2G]

63. They would have given the opportunity

Bet on it.

[951-Riverside]

64. I'm referring to the FBI

[B2G]

67. If the FBI truly released the scene,

they no longer decide who can go in & out. It's up to the property owner.

[morningfog]

74. Right. But I think that is the point. How could the FBI release the scene already?

I can't understand that.

[B2G]

78. Me either. At all. nt

[951-Riverside]

86. They should not have released it 48 hours later

It should not have been released 48 hours later and like I said before the person who authorized that needs to be FIRED, we're not talking about a bank robbery. We're talking about a potential terrorist attack with other people possibly involved.

You're not going to complete an investigation on that in 2 days and if you look at all the photos, computer equipment and documents that the media got a hold of, the agents obviously didn't do their due diligence securing that evidence when they opened up the crime scene to the public.



This is borderline criminal activity and a slap in the face of those whose family members died or were injured. They may never know the whole truth and if there are other people involved in this, it may not be stopped.

[Freddie]

91. The place could have been rigged with explosives like Holmes' apartment

No one thought of that?

[Gidney N Cloyd]

71. California law regarding landlord responsibility for deceased tenant's property

http://homeguides.sfgate.com/landlord-rights-event-tenants-death-42994.html

Tenant's Property
You have the right to reasonably secure the rental property upon learning of the death of the tenant, such as changing the locks. This is to prevent the theft of any possessions in the immediate confusion of settling the tenant's estate. As friends or family members approach you asking to enter, always accompany them to the property to ensure that everything stays put. Ask any visitors to sign an indemnification agreement and provide a picture ID. This step protects yourself against any possible disputes surrounding the estate. Once an executor has been named by the court and you get copies of that paperwork, you can turn over the key and allow the executor to manage the deceased tenant's property.

[brooklynite]

77. So removing the popsicle constitutes theft?

[bklyncowgirl]

73. Per CNN the neighbors are in there too.

Including a lady with a dog.

[deminks]

83. Uh Oh, Kos reporting that it is still a crime scene!!!!!1!

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2015/12/4/1456829/-Reporters-enter-San-Bernardino-terrorists-apartment-rifle-through-papers-photos-other-evidence

In a scene that can only be described as insane, multiple news sources have entered the San Bernardino terrorist suspects’ house and are rifling through whatever papers and pictures they find there. Reporters from MSNBC, CNN, CBS and unknown others have been showing the social security numbers, drivers licenses, photo albums and other presumed evidence on camera.

According to reporters, they were let in by the landlord, who used a crowbar to remove the temporary plywood door left after police destroyed the original. Nobody seems to be able to explain why this apparent destruction of evidence is being allowed, on-camera.

Brian Ries
✔ ‎@moneyries
Asked FBI Los Angeles if suspects' apartment now open to the media/public: “I don’t believe so…it is still an ongoing investigation.”
11:31 AM - 4 Dec 2015

According to @grasswire, a San Bernardino County Sheriff’s spokesperson says the apartment “is still a crime scene, was not cleared.” But Greg Sargent reports an FBI spokesperson says the FBI “released the scene yesterday.”

(end snip)

wondering if FBI released back to the locals, and locals hadn't released it yet. Or, wondering now if FBI released at all. Everything in there is for sh*t now.

[Rex]

90. How can they be so confused about standard operating procedure?

So I wonder which one it is?

[exboyfil]

93. Harkens back to the botched RFK

assassination investigation. No one is accountable. Not my job.

Heads should roll.

[Rex]

96. I did not know that about RFK!

Gonna have to go do some reading! Thanks.

[exboyfil]

98. Start with number of bullets

Give you a hint there were more than Sirhan's gun could hold. Ceiling tiles holding bullets vanished.

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/K%20Disk/Kennedy%20Robert%20F%20Assassination%20Investigation%20Reopening%208-15-75/Item%20128.pdf

[Rex]

102. Thanks...this is all new to me I have never heard of this before!

Thanks exboyfil!

[mwrguy]

84. someone wanted this crime scene to be contaminated

No way this is an accident.

[Glimmer of Hope]

88. It is odd. The news organizations should know better though!

[grasswire]

89. my thought, too nt

[woodsprite]

100. I agree. Now, was it someone in the FBI, the landlord, the reporters,... who?

I have a friend who is FBI. I would venture to say with all the training they have, even the dimmest bulb in the whole organization wouldn't have made this big of a mistake.

They gotta keep the fear growing, and a complete investigation might not have accomplished that, soooo contaminate the evidence.

[librechik]

112. the FBI released the property to landlord. Say they only need the garage. So...

huge FBI "mistake" similar to 9/11 and the JFK assassination

and so many others

[deminks]

94. Experts Shocked Media Allowed Into San Bernardino Killers’ Home

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/12/04/san-bernardino-killers-apartment-media/

NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) –– A California landlord used a crowbar Friday to pry open the door to let the media into the townhouse rented by San Bernardino killers Tashfeen Malik and her husband Syed Rizwan Farook.

The media was given all access to the apartment just two days after 14 people were gunned down during a holiday party in San Bernardino, shocking many who were watching it unfold on live TV, including law enforcement analyst and former NYPD Det. Harry Houck.

Houck appeared on CNN and told Anderson Cooper he was “having chills down my spine what I’m seeing here.”

(snip)

Houck said there should have been crime scene tape around the apartment and the scene should have been locked up. “I tell you I am so shocked. This is detective 101 for crying out loud,” Houck said. “It looks like there are dozens of people in there totally destroying a crime scene which is still vital in this investigation because we don’t know how many other people that they were connected with in this thing. There might be tons of fingerprints in there that we need to look at to see if there is any kind of connection to those fingerprints or some people that may be on a watchlist or something else.”

(snip)

An official told The Associated Press that Malik made her posts on Facebook with an alias and deleted the messages before carrying out the attack.

The remarkable disclosure about the online activities of Malik provided the first significant details suggesting a motive for her participation with her husband.

(end snip)

emphasis mine

[msongs]

95. is rent paid til jan 1sT? if so nobody is allowed in there except the owner til jan 1st nt

[951-Riverside]

97. Periscope video of reporters lined up in the Apartment

https://www.periscope.tv/w/1lPJqaVpQjLJb

[951-Riverside]

99. An FBI Los Angeles spokesperson told CBS News the investigation at the home was complete.

LOS ANGELES (CBSLA.com/AP) — Media were allowed Friday into the Redlands town house reportedly rented by the San Bernardino attackers.

Reporters found a crib, toys, a child’s book of the Quran, family pictures and shredded documents inside the home along the 50 block of North Center Street. There was a computer screen, but no computer.

Authorities have said that Syed Farook and his wife, Tashfeen Malik, stockpiled 12 pipe bombs, tools to make more explosives and well over 4,500 rounds of ammunition at the home. The couple had a 6-month-old daughter.

An FBI Los Angeles spokesperson told CBS News the investigation at the home was complete.

“Our search is over. We released the scene yesterday,” the source told CBS News.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015/12/04/shredded-documents-koran-found-inside-redlands-home-linked-to-san-bernardino-shooters/

[B2G]

104. Unfucking believeable.

FBI admitting they released the residence. Left behind an assload of stuff evidently.

[EL34x4]

114. I can't believe they left a shredder full of paper.

There are computer programs that investigators can use to "un-shred" documents by scanning every shred and allowing specialized software to attempt to reassemble them.

Oh well... I guess law enforcement didn't think these shredded documents mattered much to their investigation.

[ThoughtCriminal]

122. Staggering incompetance

Somebody needs to get re-assigned or find a very different line of work.

[LisaL]

131. Exactly. If documents were shredded, then obviously these perps didn't

want others to see what was in the documents. Shredder should have been removed and documents reconstructed.

[olddots]

101. is William Randolf Hearst still alive ?

[Vinca]

103. That was the strangest thing I've ever seen.

I hope the FBI doesn't suddenly discover they forgot something. They'll have to call NBC to ask if they saw it.

[Rex]

106. I hope none of the reporters have sticky fingers.

The FBI must have found all they need on the computer, is all I can come up with.

[Vinca]

116. Watch ebay. LOL.

[Rex]

123. LOL!

Maybe they will use bitcoin.

[Eleanors38]

107. Yeeee- HAH!! oh, wait, it's not Texas or Florida. It's...

[Xolodno]

108. I see a huge lawsuit coming.

That property still belongs to the family and anyone who might inherit.

[LonePirate]

109. The grandmother/custodian of the orphaned infant should sue the landlord and every reporter inside

It would seem the landlord breached the rental contract. Everyone inside is a trespasser. Anyone who disturbed or removed items from the apartment (whose contents all belong to the infant now) is subject to theft or destruction of property charges.

[951-Riverside]

113. 19 min video of reporters and others entering then rummaging through the Apartment

[Kurska]

115. Might want to delete that, it is revealing the same personal information that is the problem. EOM

[951-Riverside]

117. The damage has been done. Its all over the internet.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3345982/Photos-toys-Muslim-books-seen-inside-San-Bernardino-killers-home-wife-pledged-allegiance-ISIS-Facebook-couple-launched-attack.html

[Kurska]

118. Still not cool repost someone's entirely visible social security number man.

[951-Riverside]

119. It was aired on National TV and been viewed thousands of times on YouTube, Twitter, etc

I guess you could file a complaint with YouTube and twitter.

[Kurska]

120. I can't tell you what to do man

At least people on twitter are redacting it.

[951-Riverside]

121. "At least people on twitter are redacting it." ...I didnt upload the video

Not sure why you think that.

[spanone]

124. just saw the video of this....our news is now some bizarro world 'reality news'

this is fucked up

[Texasgal]

125. I'm extremely annoyed by this.

Media whores!!! So disgusted.

[JEB]

126. We are castaways set adrift in a sea

of media sensationalism and propaganda. Sick and stupid to an extreme.

[nruthie]

128. More excellent journalism!!!

Pretty darned cringe-worthy. Can it get much more repulsive?? My God.

[tavernier]

130. I heard the FBI guy stating that they were

finished with it and it was released to the landlord. When he was questioned about that, he said that once their investigation of a property is completed, by law that property must be released. He even stated the particular law, as I remember, and it involved some time restrictions as well. So according to him, there was nothing more they needed from the apartment. Now the rub lies with the landlord who really had no right to let anyone on the property besides a member residing there (infant daughter?), since the rent was paid up. and possibly anyone the tenant entrusted with a key.