NRA Ordered GOP To Allow Gun Sales To People On Terror Watch List. They Did.

[KamaAina]

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/12/04/nra-ordered-gop-to-allow-gun-sales-to-people-on-terror-watch-list-they-did/

The NRA issued an order to Republicans to vote against an amendment that would have prevented people placed on the terrorism watch list from buying guns. And Senate Republicans did what they were told.

In the wake of the San Bernardino shooting, Democrats in the Senate decided to offer a bill that would prevent people who are listed from purchasing a gun. Senator Harry Reid, the Minority Leader, announced the plan in a tweet:

A few hours later, the NRA – led by executive vice president Wayne LaPierre – issued an alert to its members and followers to oppose the bill. It was an unambiguous message, ordering opposition to “any and all gun control” proposals.

Senate Republicans, who receive millions in NRA donations, did just as they were ordered to when the bill came up on the floor.
Senate Democrats forced a vote Thursday on language which would give the U.S. Attorney General to deny the transfer of firearms or the issuance of firearms and explosives licenses to suspected terrorists if it is reasonably believed those individuals may use firearms or explosives in connection with an act of terrorism. The amendments were offered as part of the Republican budget bill intended to repeal portions of Obamacare and defund Planned Parenthood. The amendments failed to advance because it did not get the 60 votes needed.

[meaculpa2011]

1. The Terrorist Screening Center can place anyone...

on its No-Fly List without a warrant, without due process and without giving the accused the right to confront his accuser.

Should being placed on this "List" also strip the accused of all Constitutional protections?

[Mojorabbit]

5. +1000 nt

[saturnsring]

7. if they arent part of a well regulated militia they arent entitled to guns any way

[meaculpa2011]

9. Good to know. When we're you...

appointed to the Supreme Court?

Did you tell the other justices or are you just keeping this little nugget of knowledge to yourself?

[saturnsring]

10. exactly my point any childkiller "rights" you think you have are a gift from scotus and not from

the constitution -- oops did say guns I meant childkillers. fixed

[ManiacJoe]

22. You might want to try

to get your money back on that online constitutional law class you took.

[saturnsring]

23. yea that was hilarious wasnt it

[GGJohn]

26. Yeah, your posts are hilarious

and a bit disconnected from reality.

[saturnsring]

29. yea murder by gun is hillarious

[GGJohn]

31. Not what I said,

but you knew that.

[GGJohn]

11. The SCOTUS, Pres. Obama and the Democrat Party disagree with you. eom.

[saturnsring]

12. for now

sorry to the responsible gun owners but anyone at anytime can become "depressed" disgruntled or whatever and take out their childkillers and go get some.

[GGJohn]

13. For good.

You will never get a firearm ban and confiscation in this country, that's not opinion, that's fact, whether or not you want to believe it.

[saturnsring]

14. the latest sacrifice to the 2a

she was 7 but at least the 2a wont be harmed

[GGJohn]

17. Wow, the emotional card when you can't refute facts. eom.

[saturnsring]

19. there were no facts tio refute. but i can give you one

anyone at anytime can become depressed, paranoid, disgruntled or whatever label you prefer pull out a gun and kill a 7year old. these childkillers are too dangerous to put in the hands of humans.

[GGJohn]

20. Again the emotional card.

I deal in facts not emotions.
You will NEVER get a ban or confiscation of firearms in this country, that's a cold hard fact whether or not you choose to believe it.

[saturnsring]

21. you label it whatever you want so you can dismiss it but is a fact, anyone at anytime can

can become unstable and kill someone with it they are too dangerous.

I am reminded of things that also would never happen like blacks being free, women getting the right to vote, getting an alcohol ban in the constitution, an African American becoming president. remember the war that was supposed to end all wars?

[smirkymonkey]

24. +1000

[GGJohn]

28. And yet 99.9% of firearm owners don't fall anywhere in your little fantasy. eom.

[saturnsring]

39. youre correct and the dont until they do - they get depressed and disgruntled or they suddenly

remember their mommy didn't love them enough or daddy slapped them around and next thing you know you get adam lanza , Dylan roof mr dear.the list goes on and on and on and on... ad infinitum

[sanatanadharma]

41. An as yet unmanifested future state can not be called a fact

An as yet unmanifested future state can not be called a fact. Your authority is negated.

However, you and only you can answer this one personal question.

What is the magic reserve number of bullet riddled kid bodies that might create an emotional response in you?

It seems that some (perhaps not you) defenders of the American status-quo of blood and brain splattered carnage have not yet been able to recognize a heart unless it is on a target.

[hifiguy]

32. That those people are dead because of guns

is not an "emotional card." It is an undeniable fact.

[GGJohn]

34. No, those people are dead because of a criminal,

that's an undeniable fact.

[hifiguy]

35. Welcome to my ignore list.

[GGJohn]

36. Proud to be there.

[saturnsring]

40. a criminal with a gun

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

42. It's Democratic party

But thanks for showing your slip one more time.

[GGJohn]

44. Pray tell, what slip?

So because I forgot to add the ic, I slipped?
Of course you being the perfect person, you've never made a writing error, right?

But thanks for your concern.

[EX500rider]

33. Except the whole being in "The Bill of Rights"

....you know, the rights of the people...

If you are thinking of the Militia Clause, I suggest you see: The Militia Clauses – Article I Section 8, Clauses 15 and 16 of the US Constitution

[saturnsring]

37. it says this is what the constitution says you can have

“a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt, two spare flints, and a knapsack, a pouch, with a box
therein, to contain not less than twenty four cartridges, suited to the bore of his musket or firelock, each cartridge to
contain a proper quantity of powder and ball; or with a good rifle, knapsack, shot-pouch, and powder-horn, twenty
balls suited to the bore of his rifle, and a quarter of a pound of powder; and shall appear so armed, accoutred and
provided, when called out to exercise or into service, except, that when called out on company days to exercise only,
he may appear without a knapsack.”

[saturnsring]

38. besides the militia clause refers to a militia not to any joe-blow looking for a gun to kill his ex-

wife or ex-employer or whomever pissed him off

[blm]

2. Fear of armed muslim terrorists keeps armed christian terrorists buying more -

somebody has to profit big from all the self-fulfilling prophecy bullshit going on.

GOP and Daesh - same apocalyptic agenda.

[Lee-Lee]

3. What other civil rights do you support removing with no due process just because someone puts you

on a list? A list you can't even see or appeal being on?

Speech? Privacy?

Because if you set the precident that one right can be removed arbitrarily with no due process, then it's a short step to other rights being removed the same way.

If someone is too dangerous to have a firearm than do it right- establish a process that has due process and allows the right to be removed with an open process that allows a person to represent themselves and appeal. It's how it is done with those deemed mentally unstable, they must be adjudicated such and there is a legal process they can participate in and appeal if they feel their rights were wrongfully taken away.

Don't set the dangerous precident that a right can be removed just because someone, somewhere in DC puts you on a list you can't see or appeal. Think about how that would play out with a Trump administration having that kind of power....

[Initech]

4. Fuck. The. NRA.

[linuxman]

15. Fuck due process of law too, right

[Iggo]

16. And every single horse they rode in on.

Every one of them.

[smirkymonkey]

25. Hear, hear!

I can't even say what I really want to say or I'll get banned.

[Waldorf]

6. The reason this terror watch list is dismissed by many is that because Ted Kennedy was on it at one

time. I'm sure his name was removed quickly but probably a difficult time for John/Jane Doe who are mistakenly put on it to get their names removed.

[ManiacJoe]

27. Senator Kennedy was not on the no-fly list.

A different Ted Kennedy was (and probably still is).
Senator Kennedy got hit with the name match, which is the only lookup entry point. Senator Kennedy produced ID indicating he was not the person on the list, he got his boarding pass, and continued on his way.

[Rex]

8. Well now we know who runs things in the GOP.

Kidding we already knew a long time ago.

[Eleanors38]

18. Anyone know how the ACLU feels about the terror watch list?

[GGJohn]

30. They oppose both the Terror Watch list and the No Fly list. eom.

[Dr. Strange]

43. They are not a fan.

The U.S. government's “massive” watchlist database risks stigmatizing hundreds of thousands of people as known or suspected terrorists – including some its own citizens, a leading civil liberties group has warned.

Around 875,000 names are believed to be on the list, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) said. Many are included "based on information that is often stale, poorly reviewed, or of questionable reliability," it added in a report published Friday. Moreover people are being put onto the watch list based on secret evidence and secret standards, with no meaningful process to challenge mistakes, the ACLU warned.

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/3/15/aclu-us-terror-watchlistrisksstigmatizinginnocentamericancitizen.html

[Eleanors38]

45. If a quarter of that 875,000 were tarists, we would be in trouble.