Police find assault rifle, 8,300 rounds of ammunition and body armor in Long Island man’s backseat

[Historic NY]

A Long Island man was arrested after he was found with more than 8,000 rounds of ammunition, body armor and a loaded assault rifle, officials said Friday.

Mark Vicars, 49, was busted after the weapons were found inside his 2014 Dodge Durango during a traffic stop on Jericho Turnpike in Syosset about 7:40 a.m. Thursday, officials said.

Vicars flashed a fake shield identifying himself as a Federal Air Marshal, officials said.


http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/cops-find-assault-rifle-arsenal-man-backseat-article-1.2455344?utm_content=bufferedd49&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=NYDailyNewsTw

http://abc7ny.com/news/li-man-accused-of-having-many-magazines-weapons-in-car-when-pulled-over/1109536/

1 Smith & Wesson .357 caliber handgun
1 Sprinfield .45 caliber handgun
1 Sig Sauer P229 40 caliber handgun
1 Glock 19 9MM handgun
1 Glock 26 9MM handgun
Approx. 8,300 rounds of assorted ammunition

[villager]

1. What!? Harassing another good guy with a gun!?

[LiberalArkie]

2. Opps...

[Chan790]

3. I'm going to ask this.

How much size and volume does all of that take up? I've got to think with packaging that 8300 rounds of ammo is close to 1 cu. meter by itself.

It's strange to consider someone just driving around with a few meters square and 50-60lbs of firearms, body armor and ammo all day unless they're up to something or transporting it to/from someone/somewhere.

I feel like there is more story here than we're going to get.

[cwydro]

5. Good question.

Plenty of room in a Durango though.

[phantom power]

11. Using 1oz / round as a lower bound, it would be at least 500 pounds.

[Sissyk]

16. FYI

If you read the second article linked, the ammo was found at his residence. Along with all the other weapons except one loaded pistol and one loaded rifle. All the others were in the residence.

Even his wife thought he was a Marshall???

[AtheistCrusader]

45. 1000 rounds of 9mm fits in the smallest ammo can the military uses.

This is 1000 rounds of the largest ammo listed:


Hand clippers for scale?
Edit: Forgot the 9mm. This is what 1000 rounds of 9mm looks like (Ignore the markings on the side, does not list the contents)

[AllyCat]

54. We find these containers geocaching. Popular container. 50mm is the common sizw

Cannot imagine that much ammunition fitting in one of those. Unbelievable.

[AtheistCrusader]

60. It depends on the packaging too.

A heap of jumbled rounds like that is pretty small. That same 1000 rounds of 9mm in 50-round cardboard boxes like normal, would be several times larger than the can.

[7962]

70. Are they just lying around?

Where are you searching? Cans like this sell for a good bit!!

[AtheistCrusader]

74. HEY stop that!

Geocaching is fun, and technically these cans are still someone's property, not trash or litter.

People use them because it's waterproof and you can put a notepad in it for a log book, etc.

[AllyCat]

85. Sorry AC. I shouldn't have said anything.

They are really cool containers to find. Found one today, but two others muggled.

[7962]

92. OK, I see what I did here. I confused two totally different things!!

For some reason I was thinking about folks who search for those special meteorites. So I'm picturing you wandering around some large piece of land and finding ammo cans just sitting there!

Now I know why ammo cans would be "lying around"!!!!

Sorry for the confusion

[AllyCat]

84. That would explain why they go missing a lot.

I figured people get them at Army/Navy surplus or something. Must be smaller than the ones shown.

[Android3.14]

53. Here's some math

Assuming these are fairly sizeable rifle rounds

If the bullets are 13 mm in diameters and 100 mm tall, a 10-bullet x 10-bullet layer in a box would be as small as 13 cm on a side by 10 cm tall. A square meter (not cubic) could enclose 49 of these boxes (a layer 7 boxes wide by seven boxes deep) in a 10 cm tall layer for 10 layers to fill up the cubic meter.

That's 100 bullets x 49 boxes per layer x 10 layers = 49,000 rounds that would fit in a cubic meter.

So it looks like it would probably be more like 1/6 of a cubic meter.

People sometimes don't realize how much stuff can fit in a volume.

[AtheistCrusader]

63. And it would be about 1,300lbs.

[MillennialDem]

91. Damn. His car's suspension must have been sagging big time. I once transported a long block 383 in

the trunk of a very large car. No way it weighed 1300 pounds and the rear end sank down like 4 inches.

[aikoaiko]

72. A case of ammo for an AR-15 weighs 25-29 pounds

About the same for 9mm.

So 8000 rounds would be 240 pounds. A case takes up the space of a smallish shoebox.

Rifles with gear weigh about 10 pounds.

Handguns about 2 pounds loaded.

[ManiacJoe]

75. The retail packaging of 20 50-round boxes (one case)

of handgun ammo is about the size of two loaves of bread.

1000 rounds dumped into an ammo can obviously takes up less space.

[ileus]

4. I miss my P229.

But I love my P220 that I traded the 229 for.

[Buzz Clik]

6. He's clearly interested in self defense.

I guess DU would rather he be murdered, raped, or both?!!!1

[valerief]

7. It's okay, folks! He's white!

Whew! No threat to Americans.

[LanternWaste]

14. No doubt, merely a misunderstood Caucasian gun enthusiast rather than a threat.

No doubt, merely a misunderstood Caucasian gun enthusiast rather than a threat.

[malaise]

28. Heheheheh - data suggests otherwise

[atreides1]

35. True

But since when have the media or the Right, cared about data?

[malaise]

36. Since the twelfth of never

[valerief]

38. But the Mark Vicars at the link looks white.

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2455343.1449247988!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_400/liguns5n-1-web.jpg

[malaise]

39. Looks more than white

looks like the militia - neo-nazi goons

[valerief]

40. Oh, definitely. He's the bad guy in any movie. nt

[monmouth4]

42. He could be related to that Kerik guy...n/t

[valerief]

41. Malaise, I misread your post. You didn't mean data suggested he wasn't white.

You meant data suggested he wasn't a threat.

Me duh.

[malaise]

44. I must have really messed up

Data suggests he's way more of a threat than any Muslim

[MohRokTah]

8. So far the only crime he committed was impersonating a federal officer.

He should do time for that.

Unless the weapons were stolen, or he purchased them illegally, I don't see a crime other than that listed in the subject line.

[malaise]

37. Aren't these weapons and ammo illegal in New York?? n/t

[Glassunion]

48. Maybe the Assault rifle.

Now, if he did not license, and register any of them or purchase them through legal means then they are all illegal. Also some of the magazines could also be prohibited.

[malaise]

51. Thanks

[Blue_Tires]

82. Well, I'll hazard a guess

and say if everything was on the level and legal, the moron wouldn't have stupidly tried to flash a fake badge that real cops can spot in a half-second...

[Renew Deal]

9. Deer can be hard to catch.

[Tab]

61. And I don't think they make very good eating

when loaded with lead.

[Warren Stupidity]

10. You know what we monitor the purchase

of pseudophed just in case you might be running a meth lab, but somehow we can't monitor the purchase of ammunition just in case you might have intentions to go out and slaughter people.

Because Gunz.

[hack89]

18. How many rounds should trigger an investigation? nt

[Warren Stupidity]

19. 1.

[hack89]

20. There are not enough cops in the entire country to make that work.

My mistake - I thought you were serious.

[Eleanors38]

21. Ultra extremism. No wonder there is no serious dialog. nt

[Warren Stupidity]

24. Humorless too.

It's a number between 1 and 8300. I'm sure reasonable people can figure out an appropriate limit. That is if they actually want to do something other than protect their precious.

[Eleanors38]

25. Your humor is... Dry.

[Rex]

30. Hmmm...you typed 'reasonable people'...that will not due at all.

Don't you know that 8000 rounds is what is needed to go Deer hunting? He is just a bad shot.

[KamaAina]

27. You got that right.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027414691

[AllyCat]

57. Unbelievable, isn't it?

[Rex]

12. Well what was he about to do? Thank goodness the cops stopped whatever it was, but is was a random

stop! Makes one wonder how many crazy gun humpers are now active and running around.

[yellowcanine]

13. I am sure he was just going deer hunting in upstate NY.

[dixiegrrrrl]

33. or squirrel hunting..

do you know how FAST those lil buggers are?????

[leveymg]

15. Add a change of skivvies, safety razor and Old Spice, and that's his travel kit.

Man likes a safe, close shave.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

17. Long Island is notorious for surprise attacks by crazed squirrels or armed butterflies.

You gotta be prepared.

[surrealAmerican]

77. ... and that's assuming you can get past all the seagulls...

... so many seagulls ...

[Eleanors38]

22. Hmm. "Assault rifle." He better have a federally-issued license...

as full-auto weapons are tightly regulated, and violations of law have severe consequences.






Or the Daily Newz is intentionally lying about the weapon type.

[MH1]

26. <snort> could be ... just maybe ...

the daily newz is using the casual usage of the term, not the technically precise term.

Naah, can't be that. Too obvious, too mundane.

And JHFCOATH, terminology is CRITICAL in these stories!!!1!!

[Eleanors38]

62. Ah, the Newz knowz: They've been reminded for yearz.

You're right about one thing: They are mundane. I bet you a warm Lone Star if you corrected them, the result would be:

1). No acknowledgment from the Newz it was wrong

2). It would go right back to (mis-)using the term.

They have a rigid agenda to advance. By any means necessary.

[AtheistCrusader]

66. Actually, it makes a huge difference.

For people who actually know something of the laws around these issues, it tells us whether the presumption of malicious intent that NY can employ for some types of firearms possession applies, whether he's likely to go away for a long time or a REALLY long time.

An Assault Rifle is, by definition an NFA weapon. Those are illegal for non-law enforcement in the state of New York, border to border, no exemptions. An 'assault weapon' might be legal depending on the associate features and whether it was registered.

So it makes a big difference to the informed audience.

[AtheistCrusader]

46. Substitute 'Assault Weapon' under NY law most likely.

The media never knows what the fuck it is talking about.

[Eleanors38]

64. Oh, I think MSM knows. They have a crusade going. And a narrative.

[AtheistCrusader]

65. Possibly but

never assume malice where incompetence will suffice.

[jaysunb]

23. I'm betting there's lots more to this story and

this person.
I'm old enough to remember folks like Hunt, Sturgis and Liddy, et al. People being thrown under the bus CIA style.

[MannyGoldstein]

29. Hey... isn't that Mike from Breaking Bad? nt

[monmouth4]

43. Looks like that Kerik guy to me..LOL...n/t

[Iliyah]

31. Oh my, still puzzled at why some gun owners need a large amount, but alas,

It reminds me in a delusional way of the movie "Tremors"

[AtheistCrusader]

50. His fake ID is pretty damning.

Might just be crazy and not looking to harm anyone, but that's best case scenario; crazy.

It's entirely possible he had nefarious motives.

[Skittles]

32. go ahead, you gun humping assholes

OWN this shit

[Waldorf]

78. I own guns. I've never humped mine and never heard of anybody else humping their firearm.

No, I'm no an asshole. Perhaps somebody else is?

[lpbk2713]

34. I'd like to see his car's rear bumper.

Palin this or that
"Rush is Right"
" ... cold dead hands, yadda yadda"

Might have been shit like this that made them pull him over.

And I'm sure it all went down hill after he flashed the bogus badge.

[lark]

47. America is one sick fuck of a country.

WTF? I just don't get it how people think that the 2nd amendment means we have to allow people to have total arsenals in their possession legally. I don't get it why terrorists can't fly on our planes (except if they are Saudi Arabians and a Bush is in charge), but can guy however many guns they want and that's OK.

NO, IT'S NOT OK IN ANY SANE UNIVERSE.

[Shrike47]

49. Sounds like he might be one of those guys who fantasizes full time he's SAVING AMERICA!

I used to run across them doing mental health cases. People who fantasize they are police officers or doctors or members of well-known wealthy families. They live the life, to the best of their ability.

[daybranch]

52. I do not see an assault rifle and knowing the news media to hype

I would like to know what they now categorize as an assault rifle, In my past combat roles, assault rifles were capable of firing on full automatic and I am not aware of any fully automatic rifles that can be purchased legally by regular citizens without special licenses. So if he had an assault rifle I believe it could not have been legal and he is direct violation of federal firearms statutes. But please lets be real and call things what they are. A semiautomatic rifle which in physical appearance resembles a fully automatic assault weapon capable of high rates of fire is not illegal nor a true assault weapon . So does anyone know what kind of rifle the man had?

[-none]

59. It looked for all intents and purposes like an assault rifle, so it is called an assault rifle.

That's why.

[AtheistCrusader]

67. What does an 'assault rifle' look like?

[-none]

69. Take your pick. Google is your friend.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assault_rifles

[AtheistCrusader]

71. That list is ALL actual assault rifles. Any made after 1986 are not available to Americans.

[matt819]

55. To be fair

The list above doesn't include a semi automatic, but the article observed that he had one. So, to be fair, the ammunition he had was only about 10 minutes' worth at 800 rounds per minute. Of course, that assumes the weapon doesn't overheat or jam, and that he replaces them quickly, etc.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

56. Should'a flashed his "Wall Street Sheriff" badge.

[lobodons]

58. People told to Arm themselves by authorities.

Well, Didn't the authorities in New York call on people to arm themselves just recently?

[AtheistCrusader]

68. Ulster County Sheriff's office in New York, yep.

Although it did specify "responsibly take advantage of your legal right to carry a firearm" nothing about illegal weapons and fake ID's....

[suffragette]

73. "no threat of terrorism"

Yet he had phony Air Marshal ID, body armor, weapons and a large amount of ammo.

http://abc7ny.com/news/li-man-accused-of-having-many-magazines-weapons-in-car-when-pulled-over/1109536/

Authorities say 49-year-old Mark Vicars was found to be in possession of a loaded .380 pistol, a knife, a loaded assault rifle, a ballistic body armor vest and a tactical vest containing three high-capacity magazines.

And at his home, in a gated community called Hidden Ridge, investigators found even more weapons and ammunition, including a Smith & Wesson .357-caliber handgun, a Sprinfield .45-caliber handgun, a Sig Sauer P229 .40-caliber handgun, a Glock 19 9-millimeter handgun, a Glock 26 9-millimeter handgun and approximately 8,300 rounds of assorted ammunition.

The weapons aren't legal, police say, and neither are flashing lights on his Dodge Durango that he activated when police pulled him over on Jericho Turnpike. They say they were acting on a tip and working with the Joint Terrorism Task Force and the TSA.

"Defendant Vicars then produced a fraudulent shield and identification credentials identifying himself as a federal air marshal," Nassau County police Lieutenant Richard Lebrun said.

[Historic NY]

81. There could be Federal charges or the Marshal's creditals and shield. ..

on top of all the weapons

[suffragette]

83. That he had all of that and yet they immediately stated "no threat of "terrorism"

Is off to me.

What was this guy planning?

[7962]

86. Yet it takes them DAYS to call the SB attack a terrorist attack

[ManiacJoe]

88. To be correctly labeled as a terrorist attack

requires knowing that the motive of the attack had political or social changes as an agenda.
The motive of the attack was not known for days.

[7962]

89. The facts that were known in the first 12 hrs were more than enough

We knew the guy had contacted radicals on different occasions; thats enough in itself. We knew he had traveled to the ME. That he had become "different" and much more religious. That they had made several bombs & had the ISIS instructions. The list goes on. They didnt have to leave a note behind SAYING why they did it.
Yet the presidents FIRST statement was to instantly jump to the conclusion that it was another nut with a gun. He should have given the basic statement "we'll have to see what the investigation shows us". On this issue I'll have a major disagreement with him. MAtter of fact, I think he has YET to actually call it what it is, Islamic terrorism.

[tanyev]

76. DAWG 101: Don't flash your fake LEO ID at actual LEOs.

[7962]

90. What an idiot. Did he think the cop wouldnt actually LOOK at it? nt

[doc03]

79. If that guy was Muslim or black it would have made

tonight's news programs.

[7962]

87. It did.

[sanatanadharma]

80. But, but maybe his unbalanced neighbor has 10.000 rounds

Too many unbalanced people with guns seeing in this story, only humor or the new normal of blood and brain spattered America.

The man has a sickness, the social pathology of seeking personal power identity by bullet as promoted by NRATERRORISTS.

I simply can not understand those who live in a world of fear where this feels needed and where it can be tolerated without investigating the mental health of gun obsessed people.