we need to put this gun issue to bed

[lancer78]

As long as there are people demanding gun bans, this issue with gun violence will never be solved because any attempt at gun control will be seen by many gun owners\ supporters as the first step towards confiscation.

It is a lot like how pro-choice people feel when some law is passed limiting abortions to like 20 weeks (even though most of Europe limits abortions to 16 weeks or less unless if health of mother is involved.) The pro-choice people feel like laws like that are the first steps to ban abortion (and they are correct to feel that way).

I think america's problem is that not enough people are willing to leave well enough alone. You have people who want to ban guns or ban abortions and they will not stop until they get what they want (total bans). Not only does that cause the people on the other side to dig in their heels, it prevents this country from moving forward. No wonder we can't have nice things if we are still fighting over things that were supposedly taken care of decades ago.

What needs to happen is an amendment to the Constitution that states you have a right to bear arms, but there will be stringent but reasonable requirements to exercise that right. It has to be a constitutional amendment so the people for total bans wouldn't be able to change it with the cyclical congressional changes.

I believe the same should be done with abortion.

[saturnsring]

1. What needs to happen is an amendment to the Constitution that states you have a right to bear arms

no that need to go - having childlkillers should be moved from "right" to privilege that way they can be more easily regulated. sorry to the responsible gun owners but I have no f's to give at this point they need to go because anyone at anytime can become "depressed " and take their childkiller out for some satisfaction

[lancer78]

4. Those who support gun bans

are as much of the problem as those who want unrestricted gun rights.

[saturnsring]

6. while im all for bans that isnt what i said - the 2a need to be removed from the constitution

and make it a privilege not a right

[GGJohn]

9. Well then, I suggest that you get crackin" and petition the Congress to

repeal the 2A, then you have to get 2/3rd's of the Congress to agree to a repeal, then if you managed to get that, you'll have to convince 3/4th's of the states to ratify it, which means only 13 states are needed to deep six any Constitutional change.
Think you have the votes?

[saturnsring]

10. no we do not have the votes yet

[GGJohn]

13. And you never will. eom.

[clarice]

11. Please.......stop. nt

[saturnsring]

12. sorry but people keep replying

[clarice]

17. no, I meant stop embarrassing yourself. nt

[saturnsring]

18. i dont feel that i am .. eom

[GGJohn]

21. Well, you are. eom.

[saturnsring]

22. well that's too bad

[Electric Monk]

27. Don't let the gun nuts bully you into silence. That's letting their lobby win.

[saturnsring]

28. they dont and they wont ... thanks

[bkkyosemite]

2. We didn't take care of things decades ago with regards

to military style weapons laying on your bed with hundreds of rounds of ammunition. We do not need them for anything but overtaking the government. At least that is what some say why they have an AR15 or? Ban those guns in the hands of anyone who is not military. These weapons were made for war. Can kill many people at once. Ridiculous how unreasonable people are, who really think they are reasonable. A hunting rifle, a small handgun for protection. It has gotten so mainstream these military weapons that people think there is nothing wrong with owning one. I beg to differ. Yea gotta go target shooting with one and compete

[lancer78]

3. You are agreeing with me then

The extremes on both sides need to sit down, shut up, and be reasonable.

[bkkyosemite]

5. If you agree that military style weapons are not

something the average guy down the street should own then we agree to be reasonable. Background checks, closing loopholes, no allowing those on a terror list or mentally ill to purchase is absolute. I'm sick of the mafia style NRA bribing and threatening our legislatures to get their wishes met. They must have enough on them to really get what they want.

[Waldorf]

14. I own a couple AR's and I can tell you that they are not military style weapons.

They lack the burst/automatic fire feature.

[elias49]

7. I think the whole gun issue will require

a sea-change in this contemporary American mindset of fear and anger. America is a schizophrenic society that needs help.
"Laws" and amendments won't fix it.

[sanatanadharma]

25. Call them out over and over again Gunners are bad for society

Eventually the blood. gore and death numbers in America will rise high enough to bring change.

My question to every 2nd amendment defender, what is your number, how many bullet-riddled kid bodies does it take to crack your heart?

When is enough enough?

[yardwork]

8. Who is demanding a gun ban?

[GGJohn]

15. Plenty right here on this board,

but no politician is, because they want to keep their jobs.

[yardwork]

29. Well, anonymous posters are anonymous.

[grntuscarora]

19. Not even the Brady Campaign,

the organization the NRA seems to view as its arch nemesis.

"The Brady Campaign does not support banning all guns, or even all handguns, and says so publicly every time it is asked and often when it is not asked. "
from Lethal Logic by Dennis A. Hennigan

what they do want:

"There are sensible standards that we can and should insist upon when it comes to gun ownership."
from A Good Fight by Sarah Brady

The NRA stokes its members with lies and distortions, and gets much traction with its members by making itself out as a martyr.

[upaloopa]

16. Why does the Constitution have to give you

a right to buy a consumer item.

How about an amendment that gives you the right to own a car?
Makes no sense neither does the 2nd amendment because that is not what it says.

[branford]

34. Why does the Constitution have to give you a right to buy a consumer item?

That's easy, because so many would deny people the right to own that type of consumer item. There is also ample scholarship on the history of American firearm ownership and the Second Amendment, such as the post-Colonial aversion to standing armies.

In any event, the "why" is immaterial. If you believe the Second Amendment is destructive, outdated, or anything else, you are free to seek to amend or repeal it (or any of it state-level analogs). I believe we will elect a unicorn president before we repeal part of the Bill of Rights, but good luck.

Lastly, and most importantly, many suggested firearm restrictions are already constitutional or likely to pass legal muster. They are not law because they lack sufficient popular and electoral support, not because of constitutional prohibitions. A Democratic Senate couldn't pass UBC's, despite claims of 90% popular support after the death of 20 children, so what are the chances of more draconian firearm restrictions becoming national law?

[hifiguy]

20. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, you might have a

[awoke_in_2003]

23. Bullshit...

the majority of gun humpers want no expansion on background checks, and do not want the gun show loop hole closed. They won't budge on one little thing.

[lancer78]

30. I disagree

The nra and others have jacked up gun owners with so much fear of confiscation that any ground they (gun owners) give will be the first step towards a total ban.

[branford]

35. It would really help efforts to counteract the NRA opposition to UBC's

if the President and Clinton (and other Democrats) stopped talking about their support for Australian-style gun control, i.e. confiscation through "involuntary buybacks.

[maxsolomon]

24. blaming the symptom for the disease

anguished internet calls for "bans" aren't putting bullets into bodies. firearms are. gun owners, legal or illegal, are.

Obama isn't calling for a "ban", yet that's what gun "enthusiasts" are hearing him say, aided by the propaganda of the NRA et al. they'll continue to hear Hillary say it when she's in charge.

getting gun n00bs to stop saying "get rid of guns" won't stop gun owners from hearing them say it. if necessary, they'll go into the wayback machine and pull out posts from 2000. whatever it takes to niggle change to death.

the 1st clause of the 2nd doesn't disallow stringent regulation, and denying certain "arms" to the public is already an established precedent. so I agree, let's stringently regulate.

gun owners need to tell us where to start. twice yearly militia training weekends with continued possession contingent on passing? onerous federal bullet taxation?

I joke because I have nothing left...

[Thinkingabout]

26. I challenge those who wants no bans on guns, ammo, etc to come to the table

With a fix on the mass shootings. Too much gun violence in the US. More are killed in gun violence than died in Iraq. This is foolish.

[lancer78]

31. the solution does not

Involve guns. That would be akin to curing the symptom and not the disease causing the symptom. The deadliest school massacre did not involve guns. Guns make it easier, but someone determined to commit mass murder will find a way to do it.

[Thinkingabout]

32. Without the rapid fire weapon used in Sandy Hook, there would not have been as many shots fired in a

short time. Over and over we are hearing about mass shooting events, what is a solution?

[lancer78]

33. we need to figure

Why they are happening in the first place. There weren't many before the 24\7 news cycle.