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Omaha Steve

(99,751 posts)
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 10:56 PM Dec 2015

Any John Wayne fans? We just watched Hondo in 3D for the first time




Hondo is John Wayne's only film made in 3D. It looks spectacular in 3D after waiting all my life to see it this way.

It was not offered in 3D on the Blu-ray release. I have no idea why. We had to use a new streaming 3D service to view it: http://www.3dgo.com/

It cost $4.99. We can rewatch it all we want for 48 hours.

Blu-ray review: http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Hondo-Blu-ray/37009/#Review

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Any John Wayne fans? We just watched Hondo in 3D for the first time (Original Post) Omaha Steve Dec 2015 OP
Uuuuhh, no MrScorpio Dec 2015 #1
John Wayne was your typical racist republican. rockfordfile Dec 2015 #9
John Wayne: Box-Office Champion Omaha Steve Dec 2015 #23
I liked him with the 'Mesquiteers' with Dusty and Stony and Crash Corrigan. immoderate Dec 2015 #26
They may have been a tad unfair to Elvis, but I can't really say the same of ol' Johnny-boy... nomorenomore08 Dec 2015 #17
Public Enemy easily as bigoted as John Wayne, certainly the work of PE is starkly bigoted Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #19
No doubt madokie Dec 2015 #20
And yet that does not excuse Wayne, nor Public Enemy for their own actions. Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #21
This is not going to end well Egnever Dec 2015 #2
I couldn't care less if an actor is right-wing DerekG Dec 2015 #3
I agree Egnever Dec 2015 #5
Hondo is one of my favorite John Wayne films. Koinos Dec 2015 #4
Mine, too. Octafish Dec 2015 #14
I love his movies....but don' have a 3D TV..: ( EX500rider Dec 2015 #6
I'll have to check this one out, don't recall it. I'm a semi John Wayne fan. Waldorf Dec 2015 #7
I have somehow grown to love "my" John Wayne movies. His politics were terrible, dead now so... winstars Dec 2015 #8
Sorry. I don't get what all the adulation is about. Aristus Dec 2015 #10
He was pretty great in "The Searchers," playing an obsessed racist. More recently, his portrayal in villager Dec 2015 #11
I think it's his "persona" rather than his acting skills. nomorenomore08 Dec 2015 #15
he may have been right wing and I am not appreciative of his pro-war demigoddess Dec 2015 #12
We don't take kindly to drifters Shankapotomus Dec 2015 #13
Posted for humor purposes only... nomorenomore08 Dec 2015 #16
I grew up with Duke movies. trumad Dec 2015 #18
"True Grit" and "Rooster Cogburn" were superb movies. Koinos Dec 2015 #30
No, it's just a funny song. I meant nothing deeper than that. n/t nomorenomore08 Dec 2015 #32
thanks for the tip, dont think Ive seen it reddread Dec 2015 #22
I cannot stand that asshole Hepburn Dec 2015 #24
I like John Wayne movies. I listen to John Lennon CBGLuthier Dec 2015 #25
"John Wayne was your typical racist Republican" stopbush Dec 2015 #27
Mark Rydell told an illuminating story... meaculpa2011 Dec 2015 #29
Hondo was the first movie... meaculpa2011 Dec 2015 #28
I heard he was a Nazi. Throd Dec 2015 #31

rockfordfile

(8,704 posts)
9. John Wayne was your typical racist republican.
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 01:47 AM
Dec 2015

Made a lot of crappy movies. quantity not quality like many past right wing actors.

Omaha Steve

(99,751 posts)
23. John Wayne: Box-Office Champion
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 10:05 AM
Dec 2015

I knew there would be some of this when I posted. It seems the movie going public doesn't agree on his acting below.

And there is this: REAGAN ANGERED JOHN WAYNE: http://www.nytimes.com/1987/03/16/us/reagan-angered-john-wayne.html

AP
Published: March 16, 1987

ATLANTA, March 14— John Wayne, staunch Republican though he was, wrote letters bluntly criticizing Ronald Reagan and praising Jimmy Carter for their stands on the Panama Canal.

The letters and Mr. Carter's responses are among more than six million documents on file at the library of the Carter Presidential Center here.

Mr. Wayne, the movie star who died in 1979 when he was 72 years old, took Mr. Carter to task on many issues.

However, he was one of Mr. Carter's staunchest supporters on the Panama Canal Treaty, which turned over to Panama the canal built by the United States near the turn of the century. More at link.

OS

http://emanuellevy.com/comment/john-wayne-as-box-office-champion-7/

February 15, 2006 by EmanuelLevy

The movies of John Wayne have grossed collectively more than any star, male or female of his generation; the amount is roughly estimated at $700 million in the United States alone.

Based on annual polls, Variety named him the box-office champion of all time. Indeed, Wayne has been the only movie star with 32 pictures on the Variety compilation of all-time money-grossers. His earliest film on the list is Reap the Wild Wind in l942, grossing four million dollars, and his latest (and last) is The Shootist, whose domestic rentals amounted to six million dollars. On Variety’s compilation are two movies of the l940s (Red River is the other one), seven in the l950s, sixteen in the l960s, and seven in the l970s. Significantly, from l967 to l976, only two of the sixteen films he made, The Train Robbers and Brannigan, were not among Variety’s all-time champions. Wayne’s movies have been consistently among the top grossing movies, regardless of their individual merit.

With the possible exception of The Big Trail, which cost two million dollars and was a financial fiasco, very few of his movies failed at the box office. Even his “B” Westerns were profitable. Westward Ho! for instance, cost 17,000 dollars, but grossed over half a million dollars, a 30 to 1 pay off. Many films panned by the critics proved to be popular smash hits. Sea Chase, for example, received unanimously unfavorable reviews, but grossed six million dollars in the United States alone, an equivalent of over 30 million dollars at present. This was a fantastic figure in the l950s, when few movies grossed more than four million dollars.

Wayne’s box-office popularity becomes more dramatic when compared with other stars of his generation. Contrasted with Wayne’s thirty all-time grossers, Jimmy Stewart and Cary Grant had each twelve, Henry Fonda nine, Spencer Tracy eight, Clark Gable seven, Gary Cooper six, Humphrey Bogart and James Cagney each three, Alan Ladd and Robert Taylor each two, and Tyrone Power only one.

FULL story at link.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
17. They may have been a tad unfair to Elvis, but I can't really say the same of ol' Johnny-boy...
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 04:34 AM
Dec 2015

And of course, the best line: "Most of my heroes don't appear on no stamp!"

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
19. Public Enemy easily as bigoted as John Wayne, certainly the work of PE is starkly bigoted
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 09:20 AM
Dec 2015

""Put the gat to his legs, all the way up his skirt / because this is one faggot that I had to hurt."

"Jews are responsible for the majority of the wickedness in the world" -Griff

"Crucifixion ain't no fiction / So-called chosen frozen / Apologies made to whoever pleases / Still they got me like Jesus"

""Man to man, I don't know if they can / From what I know, the parts don't fit;" -Chuck

"Ask James Cagney / He beat up on a guy when he found he was a fagney / Cagney is a favorite / He is my boy / He don't jive around / He's a real McCoy." (Cagney was a Reagan supporter who called himself an 'arch conservative'.)


I offer that one's view of Public Enemy might differ if you were in one of the minorities they attacked with violent imagery. They promoted anti gay and anti Jewish sentiments, they did so for money.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
20. No doubt
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 09:30 AM
Dec 2015

but racism, homophobia and to a lessor degree, in my time anyway, xenophobia was taught to us as kids by way of the school system and the movie and tv programs

We got us a lot of wrongs to right is all I know for sure

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
21. And yet that does not excuse Wayne, nor Public Enemy for their own actions.
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 09:44 AM
Dec 2015

The OP says 'I like this move' and the other guys says 'My homophobic, antisemitic band said that actor was a bigot'. It's just not an impressive argument. If you want to condemn a bigot, bring me the testimony of someone who is not also a bigot. Public Enemy traded in bigotry, they crafted, created and marketed hateful messages for profit. I do not accept the testimony of anti gay Jew haters as valid to condemn another for bigotry. That was my point.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
2. This is not going to end well
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 11:00 PM
Dec 2015

pretty sure he is reviled as a dirty republican here.

I liked his movies as a kid, but this place can get nuts about these kinds of things.

DerekG

(2,935 posts)
3. I couldn't care less if an actor is right-wing
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 11:30 PM
Dec 2015

Gary Cooper
Jimmy Stewart
John Wayne
Clint Eastwood
Mel Gibson
Gary Oldman


Think about all the phenomenal movies I'd have to brush off if politics meant anything. John Wayne starred in innumerable classics (and delivered genuinely textured performances in everything from The Quiet Man to The Shootist).

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
14. Mine, too.
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 02:48 AM
Dec 2015

Apart from his politics, Wayne was a good actor. Geraldine Page put on a good show, too.

EX500rider

(10,874 posts)
6. I love his movies....but don' have a 3D TV..: (
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 01:14 AM
Dec 2015

....and I agree I couldn't care less what a dead actors real life political party affiliation was.

Waldorf

(654 posts)
7. I'll have to check this one out, don't recall it. I'm a semi John Wayne fan.
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 01:31 AM
Dec 2015

He made some good movies but also some bad ones.

Rio Bravo is my favorite.

winstars

(4,220 posts)
8. I have somehow grown to love "my" John Wayne movies. His politics were terrible, dead now so...
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 01:35 AM
Dec 2015

The story of him freaking out big time at the Oscars when Marlon Brando sent a "Injun" to pick up his Academy Award... Fuck you John Wayne.

But I like some of the classic movies...

Aristus

(66,467 posts)
10. Sorry. I don't get what all the adulation is about.
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 01:55 AM
Dec 2015

The guy couldn't act his way out of a paper bag. And for all of his silver screen 'patriotism', he sure did his best to avoid real service in WWII, unlike fellow Republican Jimmy Stewart.

He was an untalented blowhard who managed to scam an Oscar for playing himself for forty years.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
11. He was pretty great in "The Searchers," playing an obsessed racist. More recently, his portrayal in
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 02:00 AM
Dec 2015

"Trumbo" calls out a lot of his hypocrisy during the Witch Hunts, including the fact that he stayed Stateside, while guys like Trumbo actually fought...

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
15. I think it's his "persona" rather than his acting skills.
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 04:31 AM
Dec 2015

Sort of like Clint Eastwood, except Eastwood's a halfway decent actor, or can be anyway.

demigoddess

(6,645 posts)
12. he may have been right wing and I am not appreciative of his pro-war
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 02:20 AM
Dec 2015

stance, but his movies are more leftish and pro-woman, and they remind me of my dad, that is why I watch them. Hondo is one of his best and love his costar. Good movie.

Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
13. We don't take kindly to drifters
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 02:26 AM
Dec 2015

in these here parts. Now why don't you tell this John Wayne character to mosey on out of town real slow like. We don't want no trouble. But if it's a shootout a hein' wants, a shootout a hein' is gonna get.

 

trumad

(41,692 posts)
18. I grew up with Duke movies.
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 08:48 AM
Dec 2015

Loved him as a kid---True Grit my favorite.

What---so now that I am politically astute I'm supposed to hate the Actor know as John Wayne because he's a Winger?

Sorry---that's plain stupid.

Koinos

(2,792 posts)
30. "True Grit" and "Rooster Cogburn" were superb movies.
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 02:37 PM
Dec 2015

Wayne's portrayal of Rooster Cogburn in both movies was nothing short of amazing.

I think that Jeff Bridges in the remake of "True Grit" was less interesting. My wife and I watched the two movies in succession; and, from our point of view, there was no contest.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
22. thanks for the tip, dont think Ive seen it
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 09:56 AM
Dec 2015

got to meet him in Scottys Pancake House when he just started filming the Shootist.
The popular face of America worldwide for how many decades?
RIght or wrong, it was his country.

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
25. I like John Wayne movies. I listen to John Lennon
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 12:04 PM
Dec 2015

Wayne was an arrogant racist and Lennon was a wife beater who cause Yoko Ono to have a miscarriage. If they were still alive I would have trouble supporting their efforts but they are long gone. I can enjoy The Quiet Man and North to Alaska and Stagecoach without a shred of guilt.

Bonus points for ethnic inclusion I like Miles Davis and man he was some kind of asshole.

stopbush

(24,397 posts)
27. "John Wayne was your typical racist Republican"
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 12:15 PM
Dec 2015

That's why all three of his wives were Hispanic. It's probably also why he spoke fluent Spanish.

I don't agree with his politics, but I like him as an actor. Hondo Is a great movie. I have it on BluRay and would like to see it in 3D.

Anyone who doubts Wayne's skill as an actor needs to watch "Rio Bravo," which is one of the greatest oaters ever made.

meaculpa2011

(918 posts)
29. Mark Rydell told an illuminating story...
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 12:34 PM
Dec 2015

during a James Lipton interview. He was hired to direct The Cowboys and tried to get out of it because he disagreed so strongly with John Wayne's politics although he had never met him. As a young director he could not refuse the assignment so he was determined to tough it out.

During the the production he found Wayne to be warm, generous and extremely easy to work with.

"There are many people I agree with," he said, "who are utterly despicable. But Wayne was as nice as could be. It was an important lesson"

meaculpa2011

(918 posts)
28. Hondo was the first movie...
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 12:27 PM
Dec 2015

I ever saw. My uncle took me to the Highway Theater in Brooklyn when I was three years old.

I remember every scene and every image. Great movie.

My favorite John Wayne movie is She Wore a Yellow Ribbon, but Stagecoach, The Quiet Man and The Searchers are all on my must-watch list. Gee... what do they all have in common?

Great actors are a dime a dozen. Movie stars are very, very rare.

Great actors who are also movie stars come along once in a lifetime. Laurence Olivier comes to mind. Also DeNiro and Denzel Washington.

Any others?

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