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Thank you President Obama. W/out a doubt you are one of the best Presidents in history.
BTW O2 has a mollecular wieght of 32 and CO2 has a wieght of 44 which means CO2 can
"hold more heat" then O2 and this is based on proven science that is about 200 years old.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/14/opinion/hope-from-paris.html
Hope From Paris
Paul Krugman DEC. 14, 2015
Did the Paris climate accord save civilization? Maybe. That may not sound like a ringing endorsement, but its actually the best climate news weve had in a very long time. This agreement could still follow the path of the 1997 Kyoto Protocol, which seemed like a big deal but ended up being completely ineffectual. But there have been important changes in the world since then, which may finally have created the preconditions for action on global warming before its too late.
Until very recently there were two huge roadblocks in the way of any kind of global deal on climate: Chinas soaring consumption of coal, and the implacable opposition of Americas Republican Party. The first seemed to mean that global greenhouse emissions would rise inexorably no matter what wealthy countries did, while the second meant that the biggest of those wealthy countries was unable to make credible promises, and hence unable to lead.
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Many people still seem to believe that renewable energy is hippie-dippy stuff, not a serious part of our future. Either that, or they have bought into propaganda that portrays it as some kind of liberal boondoggle (Solyndra! Benghazi! Death panels!) The reality, however, is that costs of solar and wind power have fallen dramatically, to the point where they are close to competitive with fossil fuels even without special incentives and progress on energy storage has made their prospects even better. Renewable energy has also become a big employer, much bigger these days than the coal industry.
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But it doesnt have to happen. I dont think its naïve to suggest that what came out of Paris gives us real reason to hope in an area where hope has been all too scarce. Maybe were not doomed after all.
pampango
(24,692 posts)China is playing a very different role now than it did in the past. One indicator: some of the usual suspects on the right have suddenly changed their line. They used to argue that U.S. emission limits would be useless, because China would just keep polluting; now theyre starting to argue that U.S. action isnt necessary, because China will cut coal consumption whatever we do.
Which brings us to the U.S. Republican attitudes havent changed, except for the worse: the G.O.P. is spiraling ever deeper into a black hole of denial and anti-science conspiracy theorizing. The game-changing news is that this may not matter as much as we thought.
Its true that America cant take broad-based action on climate without new legislation, and that wont happen as long as Republicans retain a lock on the House. But President Obama has moved to limit emissions from power plants a big part of the solution we need through executive action. And this move has already had the effect of restoring U.S. climate credibility abroad, letting Mr. Obama take a leading role in Paris.
This energy revolution has two big implications. The first is that the cost of sharp emission reductions will be much less than even optimists used to assume dire warnings from the right used to be mostly nonsense, but now theyre complete nonsense. The second is that given a moderate boost the kind that the Paris accord could provide renewable energy could quickly give rise to new interest groups with a positive stake in saving the planet, offering an offset to the Kochs and suchlike.
Of course, it could easily go all wrong. President Cruz or President Rubio might scuttle the whole deal, and by the time we get another chance to do something about climate it could be too late.
Dr. Krugman gives us reason for optimism but the threat from the republican party to action on climate change will not disappear soon.