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Botany

(70,522 posts)
Mon Dec 14, 2015, 01:06 PM Dec 2015

Thank you President Obama / Hope From Paris Krugman NY Times

Thank you President Obama. W/out a doubt you are one of the best Presidents in history.

BTW O2 has a mollecular wieght of 32 and CO2 has a wieght of 44 which means CO2 can
"hold more heat" then O2 and this is based on proven science that is about 200 years old.


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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/14/opinion/hope-from-paris.html

Hope From Paris
Paul Krugman DEC. 14, 2015

Did the Paris climate accord save civilization? Maybe. That may not sound like a ringing endorsement, but it’s actually the best climate news we’ve had in a very long time. This agreement could still follow the path of the 1997 Kyoto Protocol, which seemed like a big deal but ended up being completely ineffectual. But there have been important changes in the world since then, which may finally have created the preconditions for action on global warming before it’s too late.


Until very recently there were two huge roadblocks in the way of any kind of global deal on climate: China’s soaring consumption of coal, and the implacable opposition of America’s Republican Party. The first seemed to mean that global greenhouse emissions would rise inexorably no matter what wealthy countries did, while the second meant that the biggest of those wealthy countries was unable to make credible promises, and hence unable to lead.

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Many people still seem to believe that renewable energy is hippie-dippy stuff, not a serious part of our future. Either that, or they have bought into propaganda that portrays it as some kind of liberal boondoggle (Solyndra! Benghazi! Death panels!) The reality, however, is that costs of solar and wind power have fallen dramatically, to the point where they are close to competitive with fossil fuels even without special incentives — and progress on energy storage has made their prospects even better. Renewable energy has also become a big employer, much bigger these days than the coal industry.


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But it doesn’t have to happen. I don’t think it’s naïve to suggest that what came out of Paris gives us real reason to hope in an area where hope has been all too scarce. Maybe we’re not doomed after all.

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Thank you President Obama / Hope From Paris Krugman NY Times (Original Post) Botany Dec 2015 OP
"Two previous roadblocks - China's use of coal and the US' republican party". pampango Dec 2015 #1
Dr. K. as usual spreads the truth. Listen, O ye people... CTyankee Dec 2015 #4
K&R... spanone Dec 2015 #2
KnR Hekate Dec 2015 #3

pampango

(24,692 posts)
1. "Two previous roadblocks - China's use of coal and the US' republican party".
Mon Dec 14, 2015, 02:27 PM
Dec 2015
China is playing a very different role now than it did in the past. One indicator: some of the usual suspects on the right have suddenly changed their line. They used to argue that U.S. emission limits would be useless, because China would just keep polluting; now they’re starting to argue that U.S. action isn’t necessary, because China will cut coal consumption whatever we do.

Which brings us to the U.S. Republican attitudes haven’t changed, except for the worse: the G.O.P. is spiraling ever deeper into a black hole of denial and anti-science conspiracy theorizing. The game-changing news is that this may not matter as much as we thought.

It’s true that America can’t take broad-based action on climate without new legislation, and that won’t happen as long as Republicans retain a lock on the House. But President Obama has moved to limit emissions from power plants — a big part of the solution we need — through executive action. And this move has already had the effect of restoring U.S. climate credibility abroad, letting Mr. Obama take a leading role in Paris.

This energy revolution has two big implications. The first is that the cost of sharp emission reductions will be much less than even optimists used to assume — dire warnings from the right used to be mostly nonsense, but now they’re complete nonsense. The second is that given a moderate boost — the kind that the Paris accord could provide — renewable energy could quickly give rise to new interest groups with a positive stake in saving the planet, offering an offset to the Kochs and suchlike.

Of course, it could easily go all wrong. President Cruz or President Rubio might scuttle the whole deal, and by the time we get another chance to do something about climate it could be too late.

Dr. Krugman gives us reason for optimism but the threat from the republican party to action on climate change will not disappear soon.
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