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marmar

(77,080 posts)
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 05:37 PM Dec 2015

With Soaring Rents and a Vanishing Middle Class, San Francisco Becomes a City for the Rich


With Soaring Rents and a Vanishing Middle Class, San Francisco Becomes a City for the Rich

Tuesday, 15 December 2015 00:00
By Adam Hudson, Truthout | Report


In San Francisco's November election - in which Mayor Ed Lee was re-elected - housing was the number one issue. Two major progressive ballot measures related to housing were defeated: One would have regulated Airbnb by limiting the number of short-term vacation rentals, while the other would have put a moratorium on development in the city's Mission District.

Airbnb spent over $8 million to defeat the proposition that would have regulated it. Even though the development moratorium lost, progressives promise to continue fighting against "market-rate" housing development in the Mission and other neighborhoods, the issue being that few people in San Francisco can afford "market-rate" housing, except those who are rich.

In addition to tenants themselves, nonprofit organizations that assist tenants are also feeling the pain of gentrification. Two San Francisco nonprofits that help tenants avoid eviction - Eviction Defense Collaborative and Tenants Together - are, ironically, getting kicked out of their offices to make room for WeWork, an office-space provider company.

What's happening in San Francisco is not just a story about one city; it's a story of what is happening to urban areas around the globe. As the days go by, San Francisco is solidifying itself as a city for the wealthy, putting it on par with wealth havens like New York City, London and Singapore, where long-time residents have been pushed out and replaced by corporations and the super-rich.

Super High Rents

The median rent for a one-bedroom apartment in San Francisco is $3,500 per month, according to real estate website Zumper's latest monthly report for November. In October, median rent for a one-bedroom was $3,670 per month, making this the first rent decrease to occur in a while - a decrease of 4.6 percent. However, San Francisco monthly rents remain astronomically high compared to other cities like Chicago and Washington, DC, which are $1,980 and $2,160, respectively. ...............(more)

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/34031-with-soaring-rents-and-a-vanishing-middle-class-san-francisco-becomes-a-city-for-the-rich




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With Soaring Rents and a Vanishing Middle Class, San Francisco Becomes a City for the Rich (Original Post) marmar Dec 2015 OP
I am going to San Francisco over the holidays. upaloopa Dec 2015 #1
The Fast Pass is the only way to go if you ride the cable cars regularly. KamaAina Dec 2015 #3
Well if we bump into each other we will never upaloopa Dec 2015 #6
There is the possibility of a DU meetup KamaAina Dec 2015 #7
Do they talk about Hillary and Bernie? upaloopa Dec 2015 #14
Hmmm. The three of us are Bernie folks KamaAina Dec 2015 #15
Really? I wish I could join but I don't eat meat. I regularly go to restaurants that Luminous Animal Dec 2015 #32
Actually, Hell Hath No Fury is veggie as well. KamaAina Dec 2015 #36
If you haven't seen it, I highly recommend beach blanket babylon, though tickets might be hard to still_one Dec 2015 #11
Correction - SF Muni has a policy of allowing passengers with passes to board without inspection... brooklynite Dec 2015 #17
Well I am not a regular so thanks for the info upaloopa Dec 2015 #18
You probably know this but Muni has 1-7 day visitor passes. Luminous Animal Dec 2015 #29
I think we are staying near there upaloopa Dec 2015 #33
You probably know this but Muni has 1-7 day visitor passes. Luminous Animal Dec 2015 #30
I'd quibble a bit here Prism Dec 2015 #2
Housing prices are though the roof also. In Santa Clara county it isn't that much better. In still_one Dec 2015 #4
I haven't live there in 13 years Johonny Dec 2015 #40
I didn't come that way so I don't know, but one thing I do know, traffic still_one Dec 2015 #41
It's like a Summer of Love for the one-percenters KamaAina Dec 2015 #5
That isn't exactly true. A lot of people have lived here for decades, and they are not the 1%. The still_one Dec 2015 #8
The ones flooding in are primarily wealthy techies KamaAina Dec 2015 #9
"They have rent control in SF, but landlords are finding ways around that also." KamaAina Dec 2015 #10
I see you are from where I am, so you know exactly what is happening. Not great in Santa Clara still_one Dec 2015 #12
Nope, and we have very few amenities compared to SF KamaAina Dec 2015 #13
That is one nice thing about SF, their mass transit. San Jose has tried with the light rail, but it still_one Dec 2015 #16
And my light rail line runs every half-hour middays and weekends KamaAina Dec 2015 #26
My building is owned by Chinese nationals Prism Dec 2015 #20
They are supposed to be responsible for such repairs, but I understand about keeping a low profile still_one Dec 2015 #21
In theory, they're responsible for tons of shit Prism Dec 2015 #22
My daughter is moving to SF in February. Xithras Dec 2015 #23
Sunset is the only place I'd want to live in 'Frisco. Throd Dec 2015 #24
a) It's a streetcar. b) Frisco is the Dallas suburb where MLS' FC Dallas plays. KamaAina Dec 2015 #25
I call it 'Frisco every chance I get. Throd Dec 2015 #27
Why doesn't Stockton have an NBA team? KamaAina Dec 2015 #28
As an Urban Planner, I have an answer that you won't like.... brooklynite Dec 2015 #19
As an urban planner you must know that inclusionary zoning, construction, financing, and tax Gormy Cuss Dec 2015 #39
Yes they do...but not at a scale to provide affordable housing for everyone who needs it brooklynite Dec 2015 #43
There's a vast gulf between providing for everyone and just shrugging off all change as good Gormy Cuss Dec 2015 #45
your reasoning is simplistic CreekDog Dec 2015 #46
I teach Transportation and Land Use to grad students at NYU... brooklynite Dec 2015 #47
do you have a rent controlled apartment? CreekDog Dec 2015 #49
Yep. I'm feeling the pain every month. AtomicKitten Dec 2015 #31
I'm not sure it's the super rich, it's mostly the young and naive Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2015 #34
Happening in Austin, Seattle, NYC melman Dec 2015 #35
Welcome to American capitalism Taitertots Dec 2015 #37
The REAL problem is the rest of the USA Yavin4 Dec 2015 #38
Lots of places are affordable because no one wants to move there. alarimer Dec 2015 #44
It's a trade-off. Comes with the territory of being the technology capital of the world LittleBlue Dec 2015 #42
The biggest reason for this is because the suburban trend has faded and big cities are now popular.. AZ Progressive Dec 2015 #48

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
1. I am going to San Francisco over the holidays.
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 05:46 PM
Dec 2015

I love it there but I could never afford to live there.

We ride the cable cars a lot when we are there and always have to show our day pass that we get.

People who live along the rails just jump on and no questions asked.

They ride so often the operators know who they are and that they buy monthly passes.

That's one of the bennies you get by being able to afford an apartment in town.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
3. The Fast Pass is the only way to go if you ride the cable cars regularly.
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 05:55 PM
Dec 2015

They sock tourists like us $6 a pop! And they still don't have enough $$ to make Muni work.

As it happens, I, too, will be in The City between Xmas and New Year's.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
7. There is the possibility of a DU meetup
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 06:05 PM
Dec 2015

depending on what Hell Hath No Fury and arcane1 are doing around then.

The traditional site is Tommy's Joynt, Van Ness at Geary, "home of the buffalo stew".

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
15. Hmmm. The three of us are Bernie folks
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 06:28 PM
Dec 2015

but the conversations tend to revolve around Repulsican tomfoolery.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
32. Really? I wish I could join but I don't eat meat. I regularly go to restaurants that
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 12:33 AM
Dec 2015

serve meat but Tommy's Joynt is just way too much for me.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
36. Actually, Hell Hath No Fury is veggie as well.
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 01:17 PM
Dec 2015

She grabbed something from a place right across Van Ness and brought it in.

still_one

(92,190 posts)
11. If you haven't seen it, I highly recommend beach blanket babylon, though tickets might be hard to
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 06:13 PM
Dec 2015

get

brooklynite

(94,547 posts)
17. Correction - SF Muni has a policy of allowing passengers with passes to board without inspection...
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 06:32 PM
Dec 2015

...they are subject to periodic inspection.

A monthly pass is only $70.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
29. You probably know this but Muni has 1-7 day visitor passes.
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 12:12 AM
Dec 2015
https://www.sfmta.com/getting-around/transit/fares-passes/visitor-day-passes

You might want to consider visiting where I work. It is the last place in existence in the world. Plus, you are in part of the Presidio that is gorgeous.



Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
30. You probably know this but Muni has 1-7 day visitor passes.
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 12:23 AM
Dec 2015
https://www.sfmta.com/getting-around/transit/fares-passes/visitor-day-passes

You might want to consider visiting where I work. It is the last place in existence in the world. Plus, you are in part of the Presidio that is gorgeous.



 

Prism

(5,815 posts)
2. I'd quibble a bit here
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 05:51 PM
Dec 2015

The Air BnB ballot measure was insanely restrictive. Pretty much everyone was against it. Gavin Newsome was running ads bitching about it. So, I don't know that I want to call it "a progressive measure". It would've ended in neighbors suing each other. It was stupidly written.

That said.

Yes, this city is crazy, crazy, crazy. I've posted about this many times before, but the amounts my friends are paying in the city vs. what I'm paying just outside of Berkeley is insane. They are, more or less, throwing down 6x the money I am.

Berkeley and Oakland are technifying (gentrifying/tech). Section 8 is vanishing. Oh, the landlords will observe the rules, barely, and hey, what does that term mean, affordable? Mix in a world class university full of students with money, it's not going to get any better.

That said. I'm a working/middle class DINC and exist just fine here. It's not the apocalypse. Of course, I don't live in the Mission. That's actually an apocalypse. They're just fucking poor minorities because they can. White guys gotta soccer somewhere!

Maupin's Tales of the City is dead. I feel like people expect that of here. Newp. We're done. We're now a techopolis, and god help whoever's poor and in our way.

still_one

(92,190 posts)
4. Housing prices are though the roof also. In Santa Clara county it isn't that much better. In
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 05:56 PM
Dec 2015

Cupertino off Wolfe Road where the new Apple campus is being built, there are two bedrooms apartments across from Valco going for 4500/month.

New folks coming into the rental or housing market in Northern or Southern California can be paying 50% of their salary for rent. They can commute from Oakland where it is somewhat better, but prices are slowly moving up their also. I know some folks commuting from Stockton, which is a 90 minute drive one-way.

Johonny

(20,850 posts)
40. I haven't live there in 13 years
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 01:50 PM
Dec 2015

But people driving in from Stockton or further away was the norm.

still_one

(92,190 posts)
41. I didn't come that way so I don't know, but one thing I do know, traffic
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 02:13 PM
Dec 2015

sucks, and the 580 corridor from Stockton to SF is a real drag

still_one

(92,190 posts)
8. That isn't exactly true. A lot of people have lived here for decades, and they are not the 1%. The
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 06:10 PM
Dec 2015

problem is foreign investment and speculation against the locals. Somehow that need to be restricted. If you have a local bidding on a house, and a foreign investment comes in willing to pay cash, at a high inflated price, the local loses out.

They really have to limit foreign investment in the real estate market in the U.S.

A lot of rents have skyrocketed because of the Googles, high tech, and financial companies. However, a lot of people do not work for those companies, and even for those that do, they are still paying 50% plus of their salary for housing. It is really messed up for those coming into the market new in California.

While higher interest rates normally would decrease R.E. prices, due to foreign investment, who pay cash, I don't think higher interest rates will bring it down significantly.

They have rent control in SF, but landlords are finding ways around that also.




 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
10. "They have rent control in SF, but landlords are finding ways around that also."
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 06:12 PM
Dec 2015

That would be the Ellis Act, a state law tat allows landlords to go out of the rental property business by evicting ("Ellising out&quot any or all of their tenants. A building so emptied is then flipped, likely to the speculators you mentioned.

still_one

(92,190 posts)
12. I see you are from where I am, so you know exactly what is happening. Not great in Santa Clara
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 06:24 PM
Dec 2015

either

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
13. Nope, and we have very few amenities compared to SF
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 06:25 PM
Dec 2015

and most of what we do have is not transit-accessible.

still_one

(92,190 posts)
16. That is one nice thing about SF, their mass transit. San Jose has tried with the light rail, but it
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 06:30 PM
Dec 2015

doesn't cover enough places.

san mateo wouldn't allow bart through, and after decades they are now extending the line from Fremont to San Jose, but as usual, it is too little too late I am afraid

 

Prism

(5,815 posts)
20. My building is owned by Chinese nationals
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 06:38 PM
Dec 2015

I basically do what I can to make sure no one knows I'm there. Faucet breaks? Fixed it. Shower clogs? Rigged up the plumbing.

I know this is an investment for them, and I know they weigh costs vs. rent. So I basically do everything possible so they do not know I actually live here.

still_one

(92,190 posts)
21. They are supposed to be responsible for such repairs, but I understand about keeping a low profile
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 06:47 PM
Dec 2015
 

Prism

(5,815 posts)
22. In theory, they're responsible for tons of shit
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 06:51 PM
Dec 2015

But I manage what I can, because my rent is low, and I don't want to give them an excuse to notice me.

I'm still wondering who's problem the linoleum is. That is where I may draw the line.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
23. My daughter is moving to SF in February.
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 06:54 PM
Dec 2015

She's transferring to SFSU and will live in a two bedroom apartment with three other people, making it a bit more affordable. Not everyone in SF is a 1%er.

I still have many friends who live in the city, and none of them are 1%ers either. It's still entirely possible to live in the Outer Sunset, Richmond, or Excelsior areas on a "normal" middle class income. They aren't the most glamorous parts of the city, and they don't have the postcard views or have trendy restaraunts on each corner like other areas of SF, but they aren't slums and are still "in the City". I just visited a friend last weekend who lives off Noriega only a few blocks from the beach and a short walk from GG park. He pays right around $2000 a month for a fairly large (by SF standards) 3 bedroom walkup. If you lean waaaay out his bedroom window and look left, it's even got an ocean view!

Throd

(7,208 posts)
24. Sunset is the only place I'd want to live in 'Frisco.
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 07:03 PM
Dec 2015

It is less chaotic and one can always take the Judah Street trolley to get to the more "exciting" parts of town.

Throd

(7,208 posts)
27. I call it 'Frisco every chance I get.
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 07:24 PM
Dec 2015

Because I'm from Sac and I know it bugs the shit out of them.

brooklynite

(94,547 posts)
19. As an Urban Planner, I have an answer that you won't like....
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 06:35 PM
Dec 2015

Cities changes. Desirable cities grow in population. Increased population puts upward pressure on rentals and sales. The Tenderloin was "skid row" for decades because nobody wanted to go there. Now they do.

Unless the City is going to spend massive amounts on public housing, people who can afford more are going to have the edge in the real estate market.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
39. As an urban planner you must know that inclusionary zoning, construction, financing, and tax
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 01:48 PM
Dec 2015

incentives are tools used successfully by municipalities to preserve and expand affordable housing options.

The biggest problem in SF is that too much of the city is still low density housing because of decades of opposition to higher density development. That attitude is starting to change as formerly working waterfront areas are being transformed into high density multi-use areas.
As is often the case though, the spillover effect into adjacent low and moderate income neighborhoods is causing massive displacement, so much so that businesses in the city are struggling to find and retain workers for low wage jobs. Moving to where rents are more affordable here is a daunting as it is in NY metro: commute times and costs become prohibitive and workers who can, find employment closer to home.

brooklynite

(94,547 posts)
43. Yes they do...but not at a scale to provide affordable housing for everyone who needs it
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 03:20 PM
Dec 2015

Add to which, it is virtually impossible to "protect" working class neighborhoods if their location and characteristics are desirable. In the Lower East Side (working class Jewish) north of the Manhattan Bridge, land became available and a 71-story apartment tower is going in. Why, because waterfront location and killer views will attract top dollar. That in turn to influence area shopping, which will influence rents and redevelopment, etc.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
45. There's a vast gulf between providing for everyone and just shrugging off all change as good
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 05:18 PM
Dec 2015

or natural to the vibrancy of a city. There's also a difference between "protecting" a specific geography and protecting affordability.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
46. your reasoning is simplistic
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 05:33 PM
Dec 2015

You say you are a college professor, is it in Urban Planning or something else? You oversimplification in what is apparently your field seems a bit odd.

brooklynite

(94,547 posts)
47. I teach Transportation and Land Use to grad students at NYU...
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 05:55 PM
Dec 2015

..and I'm not trying to offer a treatise, I'm laying out some basic points to a general audience. Cities are dynamic. You can complain about changes as much as you want but there isn't much you can do, policy-wise, to stop it. I live in an upper-class neighborhood in NYC that was a down at the heels working class neighborhood 75 years ago and was a middle class neighborhood 50 years before that. Affordable housing can be encouraged, and it can be built by the municipality, but neither strategy is going to address a significant share of the needs of lower income residents. and no amount of affordable housing is going to stop gentrification is going to save a working class neighborhood if there's enough demand for housing stock from people who can pay more (see: Harlem).

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
34. I'm not sure it's the super rich, it's mostly the young and naive
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 01:32 AM
Dec 2015

Who are making ridiculous sacrifices to pay these rents while they put in 80-100 hour weeks at bullshit companies that won't see the end of the decade.

The rich aren't going to tolerate the urban savages one will find outside that $3500 apartment.

Yavin4

(35,438 posts)
38. The REAL problem is the rest of the USA
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 01:33 PM
Dec 2015

Humans want to live in cities. They don't want to live in suburbs and sit in cars for 2-3 hours a day. They want to live in close proximity to each other. That's in our DNA.

In the U.S., there are only a hand full of locations that offer that style of living. NY, Boston, SF, Chicago, Portland, Seattle, DC, and a few other places, and guess what, THEY ARE THE MOST EXPENSIVE PLACES TO LIVE.

We could alleviate the crisis by making the REST of the country more desirable. If more areas had vibrant urban areas and better public transportation, and more close proximity living, then people would live in those areas and prices overall would come down.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
44. Lots of places are affordable because no one wants to move there.
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 03:46 PM
Dec 2015

I've lived in lots of places I could easily afford, but were awful in so many ways (lack of culture, right-wing assholes abounding, nothing fun to do, small town, etc). So I moved north, to someplace I could not actually afford if I weren't living with someone. We can probably afford a house here with our two salaries, but I could never do that on my own.

But I can't ever see Corpus Christi, say, being a good place to live for folks like me, people who like non-mainstream culture. it is a very "middling" sort of place and too far from anyplace else that might have it (like San Antonio or Austin, which are both pretty good places to live). I lived there for 15 years and it is kind of a dump. Except for the proximity to the beach, it has nothing going for it. The plus side is that people can now afford to live near the beach. If it became trendy, that would end in a hurry.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
42. It's a trade-off. Comes with the territory of being the technology capital of the world
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 02:16 PM
Dec 2015

Sad, but gentrification has been going on for hundreds of years. There's nothing to be done about it because it's inevitable.

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
48. The biggest reason for this is because the suburban trend has faded and big cities are now popular..
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 06:48 PM
Dec 2015

again.

Big cities emptied during the white flight - suburban era during the latter half of the 20th century, and since at least the beginning of the millennium, big cities and especially urban life have become popular again to live in. Millennials are also driving this trend, preferring to live in big cities rather than suburbs. Suburbs seem to have reached their peak during the baby boomer wave, but Millenials are not following their parents and thus demand is higher than ever for living in big cities. This is intensified in San Francisco with the big money of Silicon Valley coming in, because many Millennial techies would rather live in San Francisco than Silicon Valley, and many of the newest tech startups are being established in San Francisco. These techies in San Francisco have the ability to pay those astronomical rents.

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