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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums"Bashing" President Putin has become the norm for Western mass media.
This subject really needs no introduction. Whether one reads print news or just watches it reported on television, it is impossible to miss the subjective and biased slant of any story even remotely referencing Russia or, especially, Russian President Putin. What is behind this lock-step adherence to anti-Russia/Putin reporting? American political analyst Gilbert Doctorow is certain this uniformity is completely intentional: "Ask how much they are benefiting in terms of grants, professional promotions and access to the high and mighty in Washington for publicly supporting the propaganda lines of State Department handouts."
Russian Federation President Putin meets the press (Sputnik)
Western Media Bigotry: US, UK Pundits Obsessive About Bashing Putin
Although Washington claims it welcomes freedom of thought, it obviously does not when it comes to President Vladimir Putin: incredible as it may seem, there is a startling absence of diverse opinions on the Russian leader in the Western press, US political analyst Gilbert Doctorow observes.
There are a large number of American and British scholars and pundits who are remarkably lopsided in their bias against President Vladimir Putin and Russia, US political analyst and historian Gilbert Doctrow notes, adding that their blatant propaganda has recently reached its climax.
"The US establishment writers on Russia are one and all 'presstitutes' and when you put their writings together, back to back, in 40 pages or so as Johnson's Russia List has so kindly done in its Christmas Eve issue, the result is an astounding propaganda barrage… The count was 14 articles or transcripts of video events slamming Russia and Putin to zero articles holding any other view," Doctorow writes in his latest piece for Consortiumnews.com.
Embarrassingly for reputable media outlets, they view the Russian foreign and domestic policy issues solely through the prism of Vladimir Putin's personality. Furthermore, they have become especially obsessive about bashing the Kremlin. "This is entirely in keeping with the ad hominem argumentation that has become the norm in political discussions generally in the US. Joseph Stalin, with his 'no man, no issue' philosophy of governance must be chuckling, wherever he is, over how this view has caught on in what passes today for polite society," the political analyst remarks with heavy irony.
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Read more at: http://sputniknews.com/politics/20151228/1032418392/western-media-obsessive-about-bashing-putin-russia.html
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Tarheel_Dem
(31,246 posts)
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sputnik_%28news_agency%29
Posting a link to RT only to show that they own Sputnik News.
Sputnik launched to news orbit: Russia’s new intl media to offer alternative standpoint
Russia has launched an ambitious new project: an international news agency and radio Sputnik. The new media outlet wants to target global audiences with its non-mainstream take on world events.
The news outlet was launched by Rossiya Segodnya under the umbrella of the renowned RIA Novosti brand.
"Many people ask, 'Are you replacing RIA Novosti with Sputnik?' No, we are not,” Rossiya Segodnya’s general director, Dmitry Kiselev, said on Monday.
“RIA Novosti and its flagship website ria.ru remain a crucial information source in Russia, one of the largest in the country’s media market. But outside Russia our agency will be branded as Sputnik, which sounds familiar, warm, swift and romantic," he explained.
...
Sputnik will take a new approach to international broadcasting: instead of having radio stations in foreign languages based in Moscow, as was the case before, Sputnik will rely on local media outlets for content.
https://www.rt.com/news/204231-sputnik-news-agency-launched/
Tarheel_Dem
(31,246 posts)This amounts to shameless Putin pushin', especially knowing this:
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)If you don't agree with the content, explain to me why it is wrong, in your view?
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)Coming from a "source" that is wholly owned and controlled by the Kremlin?
Yeah, right, pull the other one, it's got bells on it.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)He is an American citizen, and he does not deserve to be slandered for his opinions. You should be ashamed of yourself.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)Pull the other one, it's got bells on it.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)Happy trails, partner.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)you know, different cultures and all.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)I'm an American who loves fast food, fast cars and fast . . . I'll just say, if are one of us you know the rest.
MBS
(9,688 posts)another_liberal
(8,821 posts)The historian Gilbert Doctorow, who is quoted in the article I posted a portion of above, even explains the rationale behind his type of attack:
There is something "McCarthy-ite" about the Western mass media stance on Moscow, since it lacks both pragmatism and objectivity. Furthermore, the attempts to draw a comprehensive picture of what is going on in Russia trigger suspicions that those who do not share "mainstream" views on Putin are on the Kremlin's payroll.
Is that your game?
Tarheel_Dem
(31,246 posts)But I'll say this, you are tenacious. 
Russia’s Image Trails U.S. across All Regions
Outside its own borders, neither Russia nor its president, Vladimir Putin, receives much respect or support, according to a new Pew Research Center survey. A median of only 30% see Russia favorably in the nations outside of Russia. Its image trails that of the United States in nearly every region of the world. At the same time, a median of only 24% in the countries surveyed have confidence in Putin to do the right thing in world affairs, and there is far less faith in the Russian leader than there is in U.S. President Barack Obama.
Opinions of Russia are more unfavorable than favorable in 26 nations. The strongest negative sentiment is in Poland and Jordan (both 80%). The former is a legacy of a long history of bilateral tensions. Public opinion in Jordan may be influenced by Moscow’s current support for the regime of President Bashar al-Assad in Syria, Jordan’s neighbor and the source of hundreds of thousands of refugees in Jordan. Anti-Russian sentiment is also particularly strong in Israel (74%), Japan (73%), Germany (70%) and France (70%).
uriel1972
(4,261 posts)It isn't like he's persecuting LGBTQI people or imprisoning his political enemies or... oh
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)Is that required?
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)But what do you mean by, "Required?" The format I use?
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)another_liberal
(8,821 posts)I just try to make an honest representation of the source article's content (and intent) as I understand it.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)another_liberal
(8,821 posts)Unless in the context it would appear distractingly redundant.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)another_liberal
(8,821 posts)What a wonderful world of imagination and fantasy. How happy you must be.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)another_liberal
(8,821 posts)May the illusions never fade from your view.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)I hardly think so.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)Putin: Russia isn't 'going after' gays with new propaganda law.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014700862
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)I don't remember the context at all. Post the whole comment and we can talk about it.
Hekate
(90,914 posts)LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)When our own traitorous media advocated arming terrorists and overthrowing a secular dictator. They were gung-ho on Libya too.
The Fourth Estate is dead and all that's left is a corporate cancer full of people who frankly lack intelligence. My respect for journalists at this stage couldn't be lower. Prostitutes are more respectable.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)Access to story-makers is the lifeblood of their profession, but ethics, balance and fairness are supposed to be the dominate concerns of a "Free Press."
uriel1972
(4,261 posts)with people that have no morals or ethics. I also think it's a bit sexist.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Their profession doesn't actively attempt to harm people like our mainstream media. Prostitutes never forced the yellowcake lies upon the public to get us into a war.
Fuck the media, scumbags.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)uriel1972
(4,261 posts)However the poster keeps using the term "whores", which as I understand it means women. Perhaps you know it differently?
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)A free, independent media is an ally of the people. These mainstream media types will do anything to get access.
And anything for ratings. This is why the media complain 24/7 about Trump yet put all his speeches on TV, while even our candidates barely get coverage.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)For some reason it seems like your standard for linking to a news source is not as high if the source is friendly to Putin, Russia or is critical of Ukraine.
Igel
(35,382 posts)Logical implication. A true statement based on a false premise is logically true.
This makes some people's brains bleed. It strikes many as counter-intuitive.
"The sky is made of orange marmelade, therefore water freezes at 0 degrees C" is a valid implication.
The truth of the second statement is unquestioned; it doesn't matter what the first part is. "My cat gave birth to a little of cow-headed snakes that recited the Qur'aan backwards in what they claimed was the original Hittite before morphing into aliens that floated to the stars, therefore water freezes at 0 degrees C." Meh, true.
However, it pays to note that Putin was right only if you simplify his claims. Much of what happened he made no utterances on, at least none that got noticed in the West; some of the predictions were made true by his own actions, therefore it's not just a predictions but also an achievement; what would have happened without his actions are a mystery that can't be known; what lay in the future is also still unknown, and even more unknowable given what Russia's been doing.
I'd also point out that you give away too much "Advocated arming terrorists" presumes a rather restricted viewpoint, and I'm fairly sure that nobody in 2011 advocated arming "terrorists." In fact, this was the very point that Obama and others made into a virtue--they sought to arm those that even the media had trouble calling "terrorists."
Just as the media were gung-ho on Libya, they were also gung-ho on Egypt and Tunis. It's quite a question as to what would have happened in Egypt--most of the media reports about how bad Morsi was looked at early drafts of proposed laws, with many sidelined for months and others changed appreciably from start to finish (with the early drafts cited to the last). Tunis worked out, so far, but who knows how that will go?
But the media were wrong not because they advocated siding with terrorists, but because they were blind--the initial revolt in Syria was backed by those that were similar in form and sometimes substance by 2nd-gen educated Westerners, and they have this blindness--they think that the world is like them. In Syria, as much of the world, is populated by less educated folk and many of those educated are narrowly educated former peasants or workers who bring the same culture and mindset into the educated world that their uneducated peers have. "Education" used to include moral, cultural, social, and academic education; for many these days, "education" is obtaining the required skill set for a job and is what would have been called "training" 40 years ago.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)You seem to heap praise on Putin more than your own president, why is that?
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)another_liberal
(8,821 posts)Just because I don't hate the Russian President enough to call him a string of nasty names does not mean I also think he is always worthy of my praise.
As for President Obama: I did organizing work his first Presidential campaign and I voted for him twice. I have also praised him when I believed his actions (or decisions not to act) have called for it.
MattSh
(3,714 posts)you can never praise anyone else again, ever?
On what planet does or should that rule exist?
GGJohn
(9,951 posts) Proserpina
(2,352 posts)Some people never heard that the USSR is no more, Stalin is dead, and communism a chapter in the history books....
and in this world of today, it would be foolish to cut off one's nose to spite Russia. Because Russia doesn't really care how foolish America behaves, it will do what must be done.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)I do see idiots, just not the ones you think.
Hekate
(90,914 posts)
FSogol
(45,562 posts) rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)He's more like a 24-bit dictator.
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)
steve2470
(37,457 posts)
in case I need to
In addition to what others have said.
MattSh
(3,714 posts)and if you think the western media is coming anywhere close to telling the truth...
Then you need to pull your head out of the western media's ass.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)One anonymous poster on DU who claims to know the entire truth. Yea, right.
Bye.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Based on your comments here, I would guess that you were thankful that Putin sent Russian troops to invade your country, is that right? Or do you buy into the Kremlin's story that those Russians solders decided to use their vacations to help their Russian loving Ukrainian brothers across the boarder and somehow figured out how to bring their tanks with them while they were on vacation?
I'm just trying to understand where you are coming from dude.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts) another_liberal
(8,821 posts)"The truth will set you free!"
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)Good company you're in, eh?
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)So I despise Donald Trump and his fascistic plans for our country.
As for being in "company" with President Putin: International leaders tend to be several levels above my current social standing, so that is a non-starter as well.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)The same crew, I suppose, who are constantly calling to secede from the US.
Real fucking patriots.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)You know, like our Military/Industrial Complex and all their mass media whores.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)And that is why Putin truly is such a worry. He is clearly going on land grabs and promoting the cleansing of certain groups. He is truly a narcissist and horrifying man.
Hekate
(90,914 posts)
MBS
(9,688 posts)Depressing.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Rationalizing Pres. Putin's actions have become the norm for the irrational.
Six of one, half a dozen of the other... insert distinction lacking relevant below to maintain bias.
moondust
(20,017 posts)
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)That's a long-shot!
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)I got to see him years ago and he was funny as hell, one of my favorite lines of his was his Taco Bell routine, about Soviet's running for the border.
uriel1972
(4,261 posts)That is the same thinking that got the US foriegn policy into the mess it is in today.
How does it feel to channel Kissinger?
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)I'm pretty sure Henry is still among the living.
FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)Who would have dreamed that those actions would be condemned?
What? Were they expecting praise?
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)We should never have conspired to cause the overthrown the democratically elected government of Ukraine, and we should never have done it so the U. S. Navy could get its war-mongering hands on Russia's huge naval bases in Crimea. I am very glad the whole imperialistic adventure blew up in our faces like a short-fused firecracker.
FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)Nevermind.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)At least we haven't for the last few decades.
FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)He is not and far from it.
Stop blaming the US and judge Putin for what he is. Hint: it's not good (unless you are one of those RW guys who worship him).
Hekate
(90,914 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)Last edited Wed Dec 30, 2015, 06:48 PM - Edit history (1)
matter of fact, that's exactly how Pravda would have said it.
Your true colors have shown themselves.
EX500rider
(10,882 posts)Why would they? We have several NATO partners in the Black Sea if we really wanted a base there.
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)Are you blaming Russia's actions in the Crimea and Ukraine (which led to the shooting down of a civilian airliner) on the United States?
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)The exact opposite of the propaganda being promoted by sputnik "news." The American people would be horrified if they truly had time to understand what a monster Putin is.
Fuck Putin.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)The American people would be horrified if they truly had time to understand what a monster our own country's foreign policy is seen as by the vast majority of people around the world.
Fuck the Pentagon.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Pooty Poot can pretend all he wants to, the rest of the world knows he is a tin horn dictator.
mythology
(9,527 posts)He wouldn't be treated like one. Put in is a war criminal and should have scorn heaped on him.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)As citizens of by far the single most hated and feared war-making nation on Earth, we need to be very careful whom we call a, "Warmongering piece of shit." Such charges sound exceedingly hollow coming from one of us.
840high
(17,196 posts)another_liberal
(8,821 posts)Or have access to any mirrors?
A wise man once said, "The unexamined life is not worth living."
Igel
(35,382 posts)I'm at about the 15-year mark.
Then again, most of the Russians I know are "liberal" by US political standards, and brought their Putin-bashing with them when they emigrated and had only bad things to say about him. Even as they applauded things he was doing, they pointed to the dark side of the outcomes. Reduce the power of oligarchs? Good, but all that happened is that the oligarch's authority went to Putin cronies, many of whom were oligarchs in position of government authority or government-compliant oligarchs in industry. Things changed, but they were "our" (nashi) people, not even "svoi."
Then I watched the archives get closed, access to things that might prove embarrassing to Russia or specific Russians get shut down, and watched a lot of dissidents grow quiet. You could watch the reaction to perceived humiliation, the conspiracy theories and the nationalistic venting flower in the popular media and get reflected and encouraged by the dominant parties, and the reaction to it that in the fine-arts literature. A lot of the presentation of the West and Americans in particular would be deemed "hate speech" if the same were said about Muslims in the US popular press; there's no real corresponding kind of literature in the West. And the response in the popular literature to the fine-arts literature was downright fascist (or Soviet, not a big difference there). Sorokin was fascinating and went ever more extreme until I ran out of time to follow Russ lit like I used to; Bushkov did likewise. All of this was by 2010. Before "Putin-bashing" was interpreted as being pro-imperialism and fascist.
Notice how the award to the author of Zinky Boys was received. It was decidedly mixed, all but ignored in some arenas but touted in others. In some, it was ignored because she was able to be excluded as Belorusian. In a few, the award was mentioned with pride because she was "Russian," but not the specifics as to why she got it, or it was spun as showing how horrible things were--either the USSR or, as often, how horrible US sponsorship of anti-Russian terrorists was. In more than a few, it took a day or two for the news to make it from press release to the public as the media tried to figure out how, exactly, to present something--was it safe, and if not, how to redact it to make it safe or spin it to neutralize it for the domestic audience while not hurting the media's image abroad. How that award was dealt with is a decent indicator of attitude towards Putin (or level of government influence).
Hekate
(90,914 posts)
Cirque du So-What
(26,018 posts)Multiple poot-gasms in the media and among RWers (or is that a redundancy?).
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Seriously, why do you post nothing but pro-Dictator propaganda?
Tarheel_Dem
(31,246 posts)
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)JunkyardAngel83
(72 posts)Sputnik News? 
You cannot be serious with this crap. I know you are, though.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)I'm going to just back away slowly.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)And happy trails to you.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts) another_liberal
(8,821 posts)This is not the 19th Century and we are not just playing a real life version of "Imperialism." Tens of millions of lives are at risk when we indulge in outright demonizing of the leader of another major world power. It is sadly childish to continue taking such an automatically negative attitude toward all things Russian.
Hekate
(90,914 posts)I think that as a former (?) KGB man, Putin is a holdover from that same era.
I think it is sadly childish to continue to ignore his personal history and to hope we won't notice.
"All things Russian"? No, we're discussing Putin here.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)Two possibilities:
1) You are lacking strong critical thinking skills, naive in certain respects.
2) You are actually part of Putin's disinformation Web presence. The Russian government has groups of people employed to do this.
Is there any other possibility?
elias49
(4,259 posts)Just empty-headed talking points from the flag-wavers among us.
USA, USA
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)got a problem with that?
elias49
(4,259 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)
Oneironaut
(5,537 posts)Despite his open condoning of attacks on Russia' LGBT community, his silencing and murder of journalists, his open aggression against neighboring countries, and his oppression of his own citizens, anyone who says anything bad about Putin hates free speech! After all, the press is only free if it kisses Putin's ass and ignores bad stories about him.
A Russian newspaper lecturing people about propaganda is rich.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)
Hekate
(90,914 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Totally not surprised that THIS is subject you care about.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)... But I knew with complete certainty who it was and which sources would be used based on the title.
Amazing eh?
Hekate
(90,914 posts)
RandySF
(59,507 posts)Sputnik News
Rose Siding
(32,623 posts)Oddly, only Mother Russia is spared the harsh glare of their truthiness.
Russia Was Forced to 'Draw a Line in Syria Against Washington's Aggression'
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/politics/20151228/1032410750/us-russia-foreign-policy.html#ixzz3vg92fN7F
Cuban Foreign Minister: US Should Stop Illegal Immigration of Cubans
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/#ixzz3vg9RTfW8
A United Eurasia From Minsk to Manila
Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev built upon President Putin's earlier suggestion and formally proposed a grand multilateral economic partnership during his trip to China.
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/columnists/20151215/1031764309/united-eurasia.html#ixzz3vg9hu06F
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)Whether or not the person is bad, America risks doing a stupid. costly decision just because we hate some dictator.
840high
(17,196 posts)Hekate
(90,914 posts)... for war as I did in the run-up to the invasion of Iraq. No special music or special graphics on CNN or MSNBC calling us to war with Putin.
It must suck to be so unwanted. 
denbot
(9,901 posts)Isn't Putin Russian for unicorn fart? At least that's the meme/Pravda right?
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)Americans tend to experience very different childhoods.
If you want to learn something enlightening, read a little about President Putin's parents. Talk about some fascinating lives!
Just to cut to the chase, they left a high standard to live up to.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)makes one wonder what your true agenda here is.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)That is, those of us who have been paying attention know what it is. 
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)I just don't want another hide and time out.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)The day the Malaysian Airlines plane was shot down over the Ukraine.
152. Since the plane was painted in Russian colors of white, red and blue . . .
It was much more likely a Ukrainian fighter pilot who made the attack, mistaking the passenger jet for a Russian aircraft.
https://www.google.com/search?q=malaysia+airlines+aircraft+pictures&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=WQHIU9r0IsyGyAS9i4KoCw&ved=0CBwQsAQ&biw=1280&bih=929
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=848589
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)It's pretty clear why this person is here, and it's to be a cheerleader of Putin's.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)It wouldn't be any of your business, now would it?
Go live your own life (and quit trying to feed off of me).
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)and I will continue to question your agenda here, which most of us darn well know what it is.
Feed off of you?
I hardly think so.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)Stalking me from board to board and post to post. I resent it, so stop it before I have to.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)wow.
so your threads are only open to those who agree with whatever Russia's mouthpiece news agency is saying?
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)That I work for the Russian government is not "disagreeing" with me. Nor is repeatedly commenting merely to say the sources I use "Suck" and that they are "Pieces of shit."
Those are the sum and extent of his numerous replies to my OPs and comments. If that is not simple stalking for the purpose of slandering a fellow DU member what is?
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)Really? And just what are you going to do?
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)And endlessly posting comments merely to say the sources I use "Suck" and that they are "Pieces of shit" are not what I call ways of "disputing" my posts. That is slander, simple character assassination.
edhopper
(33,649 posts)I could only say I would find no objective difference between what you post and some one who did.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)It is pure and simple character assassination, especially since I have repeatedly stated that my opinions are my own and that what I post has never been at the instruction or request of any government.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)or alert on my posts.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)Get serious.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)another_liberal
(8,821 posts)I have stated that I am not an agent of any government. What I write here are my own opinions, and I am not taking direction from anyone to do so, least of all any government or agency of any government.
Are you, on the other hand, prepared to publicly state the same? Are you, Mr. GGJohn, a government agent or under the direction of or working for anyone who guides your posting here at Democratic Underground?
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)I'm quite prepared to state that I'm just a farmer in the Flagstaff area.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)I accept that, and for me to do otherwise would be to call you a liar. I expect the same acceptance of my stated independent status, For you to do otherwise would be calling me a liar, which is an insult plain and simple.
Are we clear on this?
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)you constantly post pro Kremlin propaganda, taken straight from the Kremlin's pet "news" sources, you are an apologist for Putin, it's really that simple.
edhopper
(33,649 posts)I have no way to know if you are.
I only said I see no difference between your posts and some one else who was paid by the Russian Government.
Yes that is my opinion of your posts. Do you think I don't have the right to state it?
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)It is, of course, the poster who uses the alias of "GGJohn" who has, at least three times on this string alone, suggested I am following orders from the "Kremlin." It is noteworthy that the historian Gilbert Doctorow, who is quoted in the article I posted a portion of above, even explains the rationale behind his type of attack:
There is something "McCarthy-ite" about the Western mass media stance on Moscow, since it lacks both pragmatism and objectivity. Furthermore, the attempts to draw a comprehensive picture of what is going on in Russia trigger suspicions that those who do not share "mainstream" views on Putin are on the Kremlin's payroll.
Mr. GG is clearly serving to advance this kind of character assassination as means of censorship.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)either use the ignore function, or hit the alert button.
randome
(34,845 posts)I wonder if you have the same opinion of Kim Jong Un of North Korea. After all, the only media sources that support him are his own. Just like Putin's. So what is your opinion of Kim?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"The whole world is a circus if you know how to look at it."
Tony Randall, 7 Faces of Dr. Lao (1964)[/center][/font][hr]
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)Character assassination is never acceptable. Look it up.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)I questioned your, ummm, paymaster.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)Perhaps you are paid to post here, I am not.
BTW: You seem to have some "trouble with reading" too. I was responding to "randome."
Hekate
(90,914 posts)"Board to board"? Where else are you sharing the love?
Hekate
(90,914 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)Our bought-and-paid-for "free" press is doing what they're paid to do.
Hekate
(90,914 posts)...the airwaves were saturated with special music, special graphics, endless talk of what was to come.
All we're hearing these days is Trump.
Must suck to be so ignored.
yellowcanine
(35,703 posts) 
bluedigger
(17,088 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)Democratic Underground is an online community for politically liberal people who understand the importance of working within the system to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of political office. Teabaggers, Neo-cons, Dittoheads, Paulites, Freepers, Birthers, and right-wingers in general are not welcome here. Neither are certain extreme-fringe left-wingers, including advocates of violent political/social change, hard-line communists, terrorist-apologists, America-haters, kooks, crackpots, LaRouchies, and the like.
Propagandizing for a fascist, territory-grabbing, LGBT-hating, dissent-suppressing foreign regime comes pretty close to that section.
Hekate
(90,914 posts)I think the Admins are currently on some sort of vacation -- perhaps this could be addressed more fully after the New Year.
nilesobek
(1,423 posts)"No whining about du in gd." Its the number one rule so stop your whining already. That poster who posted this op has been stalked by posters who want to turn du into an echo chamber.
I'm surprised that one poster, in particular might be over excited by firearm humping and sniffing cold war jockstraps to realize what he is doing is transparent harrassment.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)Hekate
(90,914 posts)Meanwhile I guess it's up to the the members.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Hekate
(90,914 posts)Has Sputnik News asked the Ukrainians what they think of President Sweetness-and-Light?
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)It is bashing, and it clearly is.
Hekate
(90,914 posts)Purveyor
(29,876 posts) Codeine
(25,586 posts)It had gotten a bit quiet here lately; glad to hear they turned the Paypal account back on.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)you might be accused of stalking and slandering him, and he might have to take action against you.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)I have repeatedly stated that I am not an agent of any government. What I write here are my own opinions, and I am not taking direction from anyone to do so, least of all any government or agency of any government.
Are you, on the other hand, prepared to publicly state the same? Are you, Mr. GGJohn, a government agent or under the direction of or working for anyone who guides your posting here at Democratic Underground?
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)their propaganda "news", makes one wonder what your true agenda is here.
Why do I need to state anything? I'm not the one posting pro Kremlin propaganda here.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)Because I have repeatedly said I am not in any way working for or even advised by any government, not ours or any other.
Well?
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)another_liberal
(8,821 posts)The historian Gilbert Doctorow, who is quoted in the article I posted a portion of above, explains the rationale behind his type of attack:
There is something "McCarthy-ite" about the Western mass media stance on Moscow, since it lacks both pragmatism and objectivity. Furthermore, the attempts to draw a comprehensive picture of what is going on in Russia trigger suspicions that those who do not share "mainstream" views on Putin are on the Kremlin's payroll.
I don't work for any government, do you?
betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)That is why John McCain and Lindsey Graham will never go away even though nobody will vote for them. The internet is anonymous and I think most hawks here are neocon posers, who supported W during the Iraq war. The establishment is corrupted in both parties so they go along with the charade. Having said that, the emergence of Isis, and the obvious links to the Syrian opposition and the Saudis, discredits the shit out of them and gives credibility to Putin and his media apparatus. I listen to sputnik and rt regularly. They maybe Russian state media but they are so much more sensible than the corporate media hacks.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)And I am appalled by the fact that I have little option but to turn to Russian news sources to get something even approaching fair and honest reporting about what my own government is doing internationally.
moondust
(20,017 posts)Doesn't the Kremlin have some guest bedrooms in the basement or something?
What a circus. Maybe the TOS needs an update to get rid of crap threads like this one.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"The whole world is a circus if you know how to look at it."
Tony Randall, 7 Faces of Dr. Lao (1964)[/center][/font][hr]
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)Are you prepared to publicly state the same? Or should I say, can you publicly state the same?"
moondust
(20,017 posts)I don't work for anybody. I'm retired. Total freedom! Answer to nobody!
I am curious why you or anybody else would choose to invariably promote the preferred Kremlin story line using known Kremlin propaganda channels to the exclusion of all other news outlets if you were not being somehow compensated for it. Maybe you just share the same manly-man crush on the bare-chested Pootie-Poot that so many Russians seem to have fallen for. ???
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)I am only reporting on and hoping to have meaningful, polite discussions on stories I find fascinating. You should have no problem with that. Riight?
randome
(34,845 posts)You have 2 propaganda outlets that posit otherwise.
Now if one were to maintain a truly objective viewpoint, which analysis of Putin would you think is more likely to be correct?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"The whole world is a circus if you know how to look at it."
Tony Randall, 7 Faces of Dr. Lao (1964)[/center][/font][hr]
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)Just friendly advice, take it or leave it.
randome
(34,845 posts)Your sources for pro-Putin stories are not welcome here by the majority. If you want to contribute to this site, I would suggest (in a friendly manner) that you find something else to do with your time.
Because your position that all of Western media and the majority of DUers are biased is not believable. You can continue with this farce that everyone simply doesn't understand you if you want. But your value to any intellectual discourse will be nil.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"The whole world is a circus if you know how to look at it."
Tony Randall, 7 Faces of Dr. Lao (1964)[/center][/font][hr]
GGJohn
(9,951 posts) another_liberal
(8,821 posts)As you have repeatedly on this string alone!
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)Or maybe you don't understand what it means, which would be the more likely reason for your post.
betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)but I am frigging sure your within blocks of pnac headquarters, on a daily basis. Your position is identical to theirs reguardless of whether you claim to hate them.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)I am at a loss to reply meaningfully.
Hekate
(90,914 posts)You can't really be that clueless about recent US history.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)You'll have to explain.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)Last edited Wed Dec 30, 2015, 09:54 PM - Edit history (1)
It was a response to the "get a room in the kremlin," comment. The pnac stands for "Project for a New American Century" They are the flagship neocon organization that outlined the plan for regime change in Syria, Iraq and Iran over 15 years ago. It was founded by the husband of Obama's State Department Secretary Victoria Nuland, and other senior neocons. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)As to the Nuland's dreams of empire: I had heard that. My question is why does she remain a top level State Department official?
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)Hekate
(90,914 posts)Or possibly have been elsewhere at the time. Or had his mind on higher things.
One of life's mysteries.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)hasn't been keeping their employees up to date.
Hekate
(90,914 posts)... maybe someone's hoping the resulting dizziness will be disorienting.
nationalize the fed
(2,169 posts)Thanks. Truth cuts like a knife. NGU. Actual liberals are a rare thing in 2015.
"The truth of the matter is that my policies are so mainstream that if I had set the same policies that I had back in the 1980s, I would be considered a moderate Republican."-Barack Obama
“We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.”-CIA Director William Casey
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)Ilsa
(61,709 posts)Using subjective, emotionally-charged terminology like "bashing" is not objective reporting, but judgmental. He's as bad as the "presstitutes" he decries; he's no different.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)I think he may be justified in using that terminology. Don't forget, Mr. Doctorow is undoubtedly getting veritable truckloads of "bashing" himself for the principled stance he has taken against the current pervasively negative attitudes about all things Russian.
truth2power
(8,219 posts)I give you credit for having the courage to post something positive about V. Putin.
But it's not going to get any traction here. Just ad hominems, muddying the waters, distractions etc. It's all part of the script, which you'll notice is all part of a pattern. I think they just fill in the blanks. You would think that those who post such tripe would have more pride of ownership in what they write. They must be paid well.
Vladimir Putin and, by extension, PM Sergey Lavrov, are the only sane individuals we have on the world stage at the present time. And I say this because I read Putin's speeches and listen to Lavrov's press conferences. If you asked those who "bash" to evaluate what is said, they couldn't do it.
Sad, really, because I work in the public school system. Any high school senior would be embarrassed to write such drivel.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)in your own words, you know, live up to what you wrote there.
truth2power
(8,219 posts)I concur with Chris Hedges' POV on being arrested for civil disobedience. I'll borrow it, here...
"It's more time than I wish to donate..." in this case, arguing endlessly with people who haven't done their homework.
Here's Putin's Valdai speech, October, 2015:
http://www.stankovuniversallaw.com/2015/10/putins-speech-at-the-valdai-international-discussion-club-october-22-2015/ (scroll down)
FM Lavrov's press conference (in English):
http://sputniknews.com/politics/20151001/1027860407/lavrov-press-conference-after-70-unga-session.html (You expected it, maybe, on CNN?)
Read/Watch and evaluate.
You're welcome.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)doesn't apply to you apparently.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)1. Good. It was an illegitimate govt anyway. ..
Sorry about Ms. Nuland's luck.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=791624
I wish it explained this one though, perhaps it does:
truth2power (8,215 posts)
5. A person is an anti-Semite for asking a public official if they're a dual citizen of Israel?
Who knew?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6811404
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)How much time did you spend cherry-picking those out of context? I suppose I should be flattered, but I really feel a sort of pity for you. You actually went back and read all of those two-year-old posts?
Oh well, it takes all kinds of people to make a world, doesn't it?
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)those posts weren't yours, they were truth2powers' posts.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)If the poster who offered them would state his meaning instead of just instructing me to read a collection of old posts, that would help greatly to facilitate our discussion. I do have a life, you know.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)Just looking on DU no less.
Your post actually reminds me to point out that finding these kinds of posts from you or the other one is trivial when there are enough of them.
When things are a one-off or something crazy is really hard to find I just assume such posts if they exist aren't representative.
But if they often post such things or supportive posts in threads saying such things -it's probably exactly what they think.
What wouldn't you be proud of rather than ashamed of your posts?
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)If you have one?
Are you accusing me of something? If so, lets hear what it is.
edhopper
(33,649 posts)more than Obama?
only sane individuals we have on the world stage at the present time
What the fuck are you doing on DU then?
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)Stop putting words in my mouth, ed. This is not the first time I have had to tell you that either.
The truth is, I do "respect" both men, though for almost entirely different reasons. On a basic level, one has to acknowledge that both have managed to become leader of their respective countries. That alone is worthy of considerable "respect" from anyone who has even a minimum of understanding regarding what strength of character, intelligence, and perseverance that requires.
edhopper
(33,649 posts)Not you.
But will say respecting someone just because they took power in a country is inane.
There is a list of Country leaders a mile long that don't deserve respect. Starting with your pals ally, Assad.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)I will be far more careful next time.
As to your point: I disagree. However one may rise to the leadership of a major world power it is an accomplishment worthy of respect, perhaps not praise or support, but definitely respect.
Also, I don't even know President Assad. He is not my friend just because I argue against our country going to war with his. He is the officially recognized head of a sovereign member nation of the Untied Nations, that is undeniable.
uriel1972
(4,261 posts)"George W. Bush" respect that if you can.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)He qualifies as the, "Exception which proves the rule."
Hekate
(90,914 posts)edhopper
(33,649 posts)truly mind boggling.
