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You probably can recall the huge diplomatic mess that Republicans made last year, by sending an open letter to Iran in an effort to sour President Obamas negotiations on the Iranian nuclear program. The letter was a clear shot at the deal the White House had been working on since the very early days of President Obamas time in office. Republicans attempted to frame any agreements Iran would make with Obama as not guaranteed to continue once he leaves office. This, in addition to the invitation of Benjamin Netanyahu to address Congress without the approval of the White House, put negotiations at a real risk. Many thought that it would push circumstances to where Israel would unilaterally conduct military strikes against Iran, which is a situation nobody wanted to see happen.
The reaction was fast and harsh by many in America, who saw it as an unprecedented move that bordered on outright treason by Republicans. It got so bad that even some Republicans who signed off on the letter were having second thoughts as to how bright of an idea it was.
Benjamin Netanyahu openly admitted to lobbying Congress for help to scuttle the deal. However, he never discussed direct contact that the Israeli government had with congressional members or the offers that were made to them. Now, with these new revelations, it shows damning evidence that this is exactly what Israel and Republicans did.
Scathing new reports, which were made possible from leaked NSA wiretapping, show how Israel communicated directly with members of Congress. It proves that Netanyahu and his cohorts were attempting to essentially bribe Republicans into sabotaging the diplomatic efforts of a sitting United States president. A U.S. intelligence official who was involved in managing the NSA intercepts said Israels communications with Republicans included such questions as: How can we get your vote? Whats it going to take? What further denial of treason can be made by either Republicans or Israel at this point?
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2016/01/01/damning-new-evidence-shows-how-israel-bribed-republican-traitors-to-sabotage-obama-on-iran-deal/
And these are the same repukes who call Democrats traitors.
Human101948
(3,457 posts)If LBJ had prosecuted Nixon for what LBJ himself called "treason" we probably never would have heard of Reagan again.
But the same trick was used against Carter by the Reagan crew, lead by Poppy Bush, when they negotiated with Iran to hold the hostages until Reagan was in office.
The Lyndon Johnson tapes: Richard Nixon's 'treason'
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21768668
Reagan-Bush Ties to Iran-Hostage Crisis
https://consortiumnews.com/2014/04/09/reagan-bush-ties-to-iran-hostage-crisis/
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)Last edited Fri Jan 1, 2016, 02:01 PM - Edit history (1)
Allen Dulles, was collaborating with Nazis, and undermining Roosevelt every step of the way. It continued through the Truman, Eisenhower, and Kennedy Administrations, with the CIA and Pentagon covertly running their own foreign policy.
A good, recent book on the subject is "The Devils Chessboard", by David Talbot.
edit: David, not John...duh.
Human101948
(3,457 posts)http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)Sullivan and Cromwell, Dulles law firm protected a lot of big companies that had subsidiaries in Germany during the war.
Human101948
(3,457 posts)Thanks for the heads up.
1monster
(11,012 posts)the mortgage, car payment, home insurance and car insurace payments are made. January is always short on pay and long on payments...
erronis
(15,241 posts)That make profits on the false wars. They rely on owning the media outlets as well as trying to control the electoral processes.
Lots of connections between the CIA(OSS) and the NAZIs during and after WW-II. Same shit going on with the MIPC now. The P is for the political class who is almost completely owned by the MIC.
It makes me so upset that I can't read before trying to go to sleep.
Please don't vote in another Prescott Bush spawn, or any of the other war-monging candidates (one dem not named.)
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)starroute
(12,977 posts)In this interview Talbot talks about Dulles and the Nazis:
http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/33041-focus-david-talbot-on-how-the-first-cia-director-collaborated-with-nazis
Here's another interview that focuses more on Dulles's CIA years:
http://www.salon.com/2015/10/15/every_president_has_been_manipulated_national_security_officials_david_talbot_investigates_americas_deep_state/
And here's a review of the book that puts Talbot's revelations in a larger context of the American deep state:
https://theintercept.com/2015/11/02/the-deepest-state-the-safari-club-allen-dulles-and-the-devils-chessboard/
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)Stirred my interest in the book.
LongTomH
(8,636 posts)My generation grew up with the Cold War as the reality that shaped our lives and perceptions. I'm just now trying to unravel some of the backstories of that era.
starroute
(12,977 posts)And so much of it now turns out to have been engineered.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)this book. My grandfather had an abiding hatred for Dulles and I'm eager to read why now that I'm older.
starroute
(12,977 posts)I've seen this one argued both ways, so I wouldn't call it a proven fact. But it seems to be a matter of record that Eisenhower was hoping to put an end to the Cold War during his final year in office, that the shooting down of the U-2 put an end to whatever meeting or conference was planned with the Soviets, and that Eisenhower had been told the U-2 flights had already ended when they hadn't.
The part that's uncertain is whether the incident was deliberately provoked to sabotage the talks or whether it was just the spy boys trying to pull a fast one after they'd been told to knock it off and having things blow up in their faces. But either way, it's fairly likely that Nixon -- who as vice-president always knew more about the covert end of things than Eisenhower himself did -- took it as the template for what he pulled in 1968 with the Vietnamese.
jalan48
(13,864 posts)They want to pretend everything is on the up and up-George Washington never told a lie, etc. The cynicism will set in after the next Presidential election is over but in the meantime the process is "real".
stuffmatters
(2,574 posts)And, of course, aided and abetted by the MSM who never reported the Nixon or Carter sabotage. Now they treat Repub organized sabotage as normal, the MSM never once remarked that it was flat out treason.
Enthusiast
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Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)WHen people (even Hartmann) talk about Republican Treason they tend to leave out the fact that Poppy was part of the Reagan Treason. Hell, as former head of the CIA Poppy probably orchestrated the whole thing. Reagan wasn't smart enough to come up with it or to execute it.
So that's
Nixon - Treason
Reagan - Treason
Bush I - Treason (Iran-Contra and Kuwait)
Bush II - Treason (2 illegal wars and destroying democracy in 2000/2004)
That leaves Ford . As part of the JFK Assignation cover-up cabal I'd say HE committed treason too.
Old Codger
(4,205 posts)Politicians, especially republican politicians are immune to our laws and ethical standards, they live in a world of their own which does not include decency,patriotism or anything that comes close to ethical behavior...And our system lets them get away with it, the fox guarding the henhouse comes to mind...
erronis
(15,241 posts)Of course they've gone out of their way to cripple the IRS since they and their friends would be liable for long terms in a slammer.
Proserpina
(2,352 posts)Cut off Israel from US budget!
Scuba
(53,475 posts)truebrit71
(20,805 posts)...as they'll be writing their sternly-worded letters....
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)Qutzupalotl
(14,311 posts)Somebody please bring a sign that says that to a Tom Cotton rally.
sinkingfeeling
(51,454 posts)And he has something like a 55% approval rating here in Dumbshitland.
valerief
(53,235 posts)FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)right?
leveymg
(36,418 posts)I really hope that Netanyu pushes this further. Release of the AIPAC-Mossad intercepts, alone, that formed the basis for the indictments of Rosen and Weissman in 2005, would be highly educational. Seems not many are aware of Rep. Harman being caught by the FBI wire "waddling into" that one. See, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Franklin_espionage_scandal
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)I ran a short lived congressional campaign in 2004 (No money). In 2006, another person called and asked if I was going to run again, as he was thinking about running. I said no I wasn't and feel free to do so. He then asked if I could help and support him, and I said I'd consider it. So, he sent me his resume.
He was a little too conservative for my tastes, but when I got to the part where he had interned at AIPAC, I told him that was a deal killer.
He was running a half decent campaign until 6 months later Rahm Emmanuel stabbed him in the back. He didn't even know it until another candidate showed up at the state Dem convention, with a couple of staffers supplied by the DCCC.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)If bribery (er, campaign contributions) don't work, there is always dirty tricks. In '12, the head of the county Obama Democratic campaign committee (the son of a famous, long-serving progressive Democratic VA Congressman) was stung by a "GOP" operative.
Someone walked into the campaign office and the campaign chairman humored him for a few minutes while the shady character pitched a vaguely shady voter registration scheme. The shady character was wearing a hidden camera and turned out to working for Project Veritas, the James OKeefe-led organization whose other undercover videos fed the GOP attack on ACORN.
AIPAC and the GOP had been trying for decades to unseat the Congressman. He said in 2007 that AIPAC is the most powerful lobby that pushed for the Iraq War since the beginning, the Washington Post reported. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/14/AR2007091402171.html
I dont think they represent the mainstream of American Jewish thinking at all, but because they are so well organized, the Congressman said about AIPAC. And their members are extraordinarily powerfulmost of them are quite wealthythey have been able to exert power.
LiberalArkie
(15,715 posts)Grins
(7,217 posts)Long ago I was pro-Israel. After the USS Liberty and Jonathon Pollard - no more. Eff them. Israel wants us to fight their dirty wars for them and refuse to do anything about coming to terms with the Palestinians. Bribing American legislators? I don't doubt it for a second, and doubt that this is the first time.
Now reading Quicksand: America's Pursuit of Power in the Middle East by Geoffrey Wawro. Much better than I thought it would be. There are sections in there where Truman, Ike, Kennedy, Johnson, are all told by the middle east states that the problem is, first, Israel, that our one-sided view of Israel-can-do-no-wrong philosophy is the major problem. Truman is told by King Faisal - effing Faisal! - if you continue to support Israel I can't help you. And by this time, we had known all about peak-oil in the U.S. for a couple of years.
The defense science board asked after 9/11 "Why do they hate us?", unlike Rush Limbaugh they laid it on the line:
"Muslims do not hate our freedom, but rather they hate our policies. The overwhelming majority voice their objections to what they see as one-sided support in favor of Israel and against Palestinian rights...."
Pretty clear.
Every nation in the middle east has said that very thing. And we continue not to hear. We continue to look the other way as we spend billions on Israel. And the frustration builds, and builds. To the point they react with kidnappings, hijacking aircraft and ocean liners, murder, attacks on American companies, and now terrorism on a world-wide scale.
We are so stu-pud.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Why? Because, according to three top former national security officials, Gonzales wanted Harman to be able to help defend the administrations warrantless wiretapping program, which was about break in The New York Times and engulf the White House.
Who was Harman talking to when she was caught on tape by the NSA? Stein says she was speaking to a suspected Israeli agent. The Jewish Telegraph Agency suggests as did earlier reports, in 2006, when the story first broke that the person lobbying Harman to intervene in the AIPAC case was Haim Saban, a top Democratic fundraiser:
Similar reports surfaced in October 2006, just prior to the midterm elections. Those reports named the Israeli agent as Haim Saban, the Israeli-American entertainment magnate who is a major donor to the Democratic Party and to AIPAC.
Haim Saban is one of Hillary Clinton's biggest campaign contributors.
fasttense
(17,301 posts)Thanks Supreme Court. You couldn't have made it any better for the uber rich.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)They should be treated like the criminals they are
BTW - every republican president since Eisenhower also committed treason to become president.
malaise
(268,986 posts)treason
Thunderbeast
(3,408 posts)Heard on Gary Kaltbaum wing nut business radio show today:
"Huge scandal about to break! Obama has been spying on Congress and the mainstream media will ignore it as usual"
GoCubsGo
(32,083 posts)All the morning network infotainment shows, like the "Today Show" were wringing their hands and gnashing their teeth over the NSA "spying on Netanyahoo" yesterday. Not a peep about the rest of the story.
Nyan
(1,192 posts)Chuck Schumer so thoroughly sold out to Israeli lobby that he opposed the Iran deal.
lark
(23,099 posts)Israel is not our partner, they are only in it for themselves and fuck everyone else. Repugs are traitors who favor the warmongers in Israel over their own government.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)who is not unconditionally supportive of Isreal's hawkishness? I hope we find out!!
farleftlib
(2,125 posts)Maybe we won't have to wonder too long.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)I am thinking his perspective could really shake things up in a way that could actually bring about progress in the ME. High hopes, I know. But that's what any campaign should be about.
ngGale
(2,080 posts)Space. They never change...
underpants
(182,799 posts)which had been going at least since W used 9/11 for everything.
In RW media THE story today is about how Obama spied on Israel and on members of Congress.
CanonRay
(14,101 posts)tarheelsunc
(2,117 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)every government agency went after you and you got fired from even tenured jobs
Bibi's probably very worried about what happened to those respective dictators, while I don't think Mossad's pleased with all these burning bridges
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)vkkv
(3,384 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)That seems to be something of a privacy violation, doesn't it?
leveymg
(36,418 posts)The Israelis bugged Clinton's calls at the White House, too. At least, that's what Bill told Monica.
They watch us, we surveil them.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)And to what end?
leveymg
(36,418 posts)I'm sure it's just a personal thing between two heads of state, both of whom won't be in office too much longer.
randome
(34,845 posts)If a GOP-er calls overseas, that conversation can legitimately be monitored. And some of you thought the NSA never did anything useful!
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certainot
(9,090 posts)stations were liberal instead of ignoring or covering for these traitors
bvar22
(39,909 posts)..only when it suits their purpose.
If it suits their purpose to murder Americans, Israel will not hesitate nor feel guilt.
This is a photo of the USS Liberty taken shortly after it was attacked by Israeli jets and torpedo boats on June 8th, 1967.
The ship was painted Navy Grey, had large US ID #s, and was flying 2 US Flags.
The Israeli attack killed 37 US sailors, and wounded 171 more.
Grins
(7,217 posts)I think it was the Kennedy. Navy fighters were in position to launch to help the Liberty when told to stand down. Said the entire crew knew what was going on and were royally pissed at the order. He still bitches about it.
Dr Rise
(99 posts)2naSalit
(86,596 posts)NuttinYahoo gave his little performance in front of the general Congress?
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)none dare call it treason,
Seriously if the dems did this to Bush in time of war, there would be calls to roll out the Gallows.
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)and others not calling for the gallows? it is infuriating.
"come on in, the water's warm!"
Wolf Frankula
(3,600 posts)The purpose of the United States is to aid ISRAEL The Discretionary spending of the US Government is 1.1 trillion dollars. Of that one trillion ought to be AID TO ISRAEL. Every American MUST be willing to DIE FOR ISRAEL. Anything less is ANTI SEMITIC. Clean out your bank accounts, max out your credit cards and send the MONEY TO ISRAEL.
Israel is not our friend. It is time to end all aid to Israel. It is time to close down AIPAC or make its members register as foreign agents. TAKE ISRAEL OFF WELFARE.
Wolf
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)This one gets one.
Stellar
(5,644 posts)Video 01/05/16 at 9pm : http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/netanyahu-at-war/
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is one of the most polarizing political leaders on the world stage. His hardline politics on Iran and Israeli-Palestinian affairs have won him both intense support and bitter criticism at home and abroad all the more so after his dramatic attempt in March to derail President Barack Obamas nuclear deal with Iran in front of the U.S. Congress. With new waves of violence between Israelis and Palestinians unfolding and Israel-U.S. relations already emerging as a 2016 campaign issue, FRONTLINE presents Netanyahu at War -- an epic, two-hour documentary from veteran filmmaker Michael Kirk tracing Netanyahus path to power, his combative relationships with multiple U.S. presidents and the implications in America and the Middle East. Netanyahu at War premieres Tues., Jan. 5, 2016 at a special time -- 9 p.m. EST/8 p.m. CST -- on PBS and online.
Uncle Joe
(58,358 posts)Thanks for the thread, meow.
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)it would have been Benghazi times 100, except legitimate ...
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)This should help us in our fight for Publicly Funded Elections! On what planet would we believe that giving large donations to re-election campaigns does not result in a payback of some sort? We have seen the Princeton study, we have seen the Jack Abramoff debacle with Hot Tub Tom Delay.
I hope they find direct evidence of treason with these bastards because I know it is going on. They have become too comfortable selling out to anyone with campaign money.