Do you want to know why the loons are in Oregon?

[catnhatnh]

Quite simply because the Bundy bullshit had zero consequences. One of the militia "Commanders" from the ranch lives in my hometown. Do you want to know what he did last summer when he should have been hiding from the law??? He was printing up yard signs and running for "Constitutional Sheriff".

These guys are armed lunatics who will continue to push until they either collapse the Federal government (not likely), Kill someone (increasingly likely), or are treated by the legal system as the domestic terrorists they are. I know which I vote for.

[truedelphi]

1. A very scary group of people.

I know this one RW radio station outside of Sacramento had this caller talking about how, as a "rural guardian" and neighbor hood, self appointed "watch" leader, he had had a great deal of difficulty getting some "thuggy" type of person to offer up their ID to him.

And the radio announcer quoted the law, statint that no civilian has the right to demand another's ID, but you could tell from the compassion dripping from the Talking Head's voice that he wished things were different!

[Old Codger]

2. You bet

They got away with it once so they will continue to push this sort of shit til someone gets hurt...

[99th_Monkey]

7. OR until Law Enforcement actually starts enforcing the law

18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2384

[Old Codger]

12. Agreed

If they had enforced it the first time this would not be happening

[NightWatcher]

3. I think they want to be killed

And then be seen as martyrs, in some weird Turner Diaries trigger context.

[Doctor_J]

4. I would agree. when the Bundy nuts pointed rifles at the federal officials, they should

have been dealt with harshly. Bullies and terrorists should never be allowed to set the terms. They just keep escalating until someone hits back. This doj treats marijuana growers like deadly criminals, and lets these guys do whatever they want.

[catnhatnh]

6. Just to add detail

My local loon-Jerry Delemus brags on how he was the one who sent Jerad and Amanda Miller away from the Bundy Ranch. He does not brag so much on how he got rid of them by arranging for "several hundred dollars" in travel money which carried them to Las Vegas where they killed two police officers...

[ladyVet]

24. I agree, Doctor_J. The time to take care of this sort of shit is before it escalates.

When the time finally comes that Obama has to stomp these assholes, he's just going to make things worse. Nip it in the bud. Nip it, nip it, nip it.

[Wellstone ruled]

5. Agree fully no consequences .

Our new Sheriff vowed to finish the Bundy Clan issue,and it has been year,and nothing. All this has emboldened the Tea Party to f---up our state. There seems to be this don't touch these people cause the Church will get all pissed and not support our Candidates. Did find out our local BLM has been financially whacked,and enforcement has been cut.

[33taw]

8. Do they have a specific goal?

All I could tell from other sites is that they will be there for "as long as it takes", whatever that means? They do not have hostages. Why not let them stay until they are out of water and food. Shut off the electric, cut the propane/gas, and cut access to water. Cut off their buddies from supplying them and sit and wait? Why give them more press - it just fees their fanaticism?

[catnhatnh]

11. I have no problem with waiting them out

I have a REAL fucking problem that the Federal government has as yet caused no consequences for those who engaged in the Bundy ranch fiasco.

[MisterP]

18. terrorist groups usually isolate members until they'll kill for a cliche

like how the Paris shooters both times were so high and loaded they could barely stand

[Lizzie Poppet]

9. Agreed.

The Bundy family and their supporters were emboldened by how things turned out previously. Had that not been the case, no way they woudl have barged in, unwanted, and started screwing up a situation that was about to be resolved peacefully. To the best of my knowledge, the Hammons still intend to surrender themselves on Monday.

[rusty quoin]

10. You are correct. The media treats these white guys as decent Americans.

The Supreme Court, allowing them guns unlimited, the court deciding race no longer matters, the congressional republicans backing racist gun nuts to win seats, who willingly play this dangerous game to retain power don't really care about consequences.

I've heard these racist where I work. Their minds are so far twisted from anything I heard in decades past. I am more scared of them than Muslim extremist, because they are close, with guns and looking for a reason to use them.

It is remarkable that the justices who interpreted the 2nd amendment like they did creating a completely safe guns everywhere environment, put such a great barrier around their court.

[boomer55]

13. armed insurrectionists that should be dealt with via drone.

[kenfrequed]

14. I am tired of this.

These people should be going to prison.

Attempting to use the threat of violence to accomplish political goals is the very definition of terrorism.

[madokie]

15. I'm with you

about 20 years ago we had a bunch of weirdo's like this up on one of our refuges, (Spavinaw game refuge,) close to me here. Running around playing soldier out in the woods but when winter came they left to never return, as far as I know that is. I kind of remember that our game warden had something to do with their leaving too, come to think of it. He's a take no prisoners type guy that won't put up with bullshit from anyone

[catnhatnh]

16. We handled them with kid gloves last time

How'd that work out? The lack of Federal action at the Bundy ranch is easily explained as "avoiding a massacre" but the continued lack of consequences is, frankly, bullshit. When you routinely shoot unarmed blacks in the street you can only play the humanitarian card so far.

[madokie]

19. No doubt

Here they weren't doing anything except freaking people out when they'd come across them out in the woods but they were dealt with in a manner that they got the picture and moved on. Like I said our game warden is not some one who suffers fools gladly. He's a get right in your face type guy. Fearless as they come, just what that position requires.

[rockfordfile]

17. These right wingers hate America

[world wide wally]

20. They would shit their pants if the Feds started building a wall around them

Just lock them in with no electricity or supplies and tell them they won

[SleeplessinSoCal]

21. why do they get such a pass by the media?

The best description I read was on Twitter calling them "Y'all Qaeda".

[Spitfire of ATJ]

22. Or, they'll become Representatives in the House.

[davidpdx]

23. Glad to hear your take about this

I grew up in rural Oregon (the Southern part) and have driven through Eastern Oregon before.

I totally agree with you. The Federal Government needs to treat them like domestic terrorists. If they are allowed to continue to get away with these sorts of stunts, then they will become more and more dangerous.