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99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 03:14 PM Jan 2016

Charles Pierce calls it: What's Happening in Oregon Is Nothing Less Than Armed Sedition

What's Happening in Oregon Is Nothing Less Than Armed Sedition
Its roots in our politics are deep and tangled.
by Charles P. Pierce * January 04, 2016 * Esquire

"If three years ago any person had told me that at this day, I should see such a formidable rebellion against the laws & constitutions of our own making as now appears I should have thought him a bedlamite—a fit subject for a mad house." —George Washington to Henry Knox, on the subject of Shays Rebellion, February 3, 1787


You have to give Captain Daniel Shays this: When he launched his armed sedition against lawful authority, he at least was invited in. Overnight on Saturday, in an obscure corner of the Oregon wilderness, and contrary to the law, and in defiance of democratic authority, both federal and local, another act of armed sedition was committed. It seems to me that this ought to be a bigger story than, say, the belated prosecution of Bill Cosby, or whatever most recently came out of the mouth of the vulgar talking yam. In a small place in Oregon, the essential compact of the United States of America has come apart.

The Bundy family of Nevada joined with hard-core militiamen Saturday to take over the headquarters of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, vowing to occupy the remote federal outpost 30 miles southeast of Burns for years. The occupation came shortly after an estimated 300 marchers—militia and local citizens both—paraded through Burns to protest the prosecution of two Harney County ranchers, Dwight Hammond Jr. and Steven Hammond, who are to report to prison on Monday. Among the occupiers is Ammon Bundy, son of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, and two of his brothers. Militia members at the refuge claimed they had as many as 100 supporters with them. The refuge, federal property managed by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, was closed and unoccupied for the holiday weekend.


Before moving on to the larger issues, it's important to note that the local authorities, and the local citizenry, want no part of this noisy claque of armed meatheads. It is popular among these people who apparently have brains wired like short-wave radios broadcasting from upper Michigan to say that the real constitutional authority in this country resides in its local sheriffs. Well, the local sheriff in this case would like it very much if this particular invasive species would abandon his jurisdiction and go back to freeloading on federal lands in Nevada.

Harney County Sheriff Dave Ward told people to stay away from the building as authorities work to defuse the situation, The Oregonian reported."A collective effort from multiple agencies is currently working on a solution. For the time being please stay away from that area. More information will be provided as it becomes available. Please maintain a peaceful and united front and allow us to work through this situation," Ward said in a statement.

Hell, even the convicted arsonists on whose behalf this action allegedly was undertaken have distanced themselves from these clowns. The Hammonds said they have not welcomed the Bundy's help. "Neither Ammon Bundy nor anyone within his group/organization speak for the Hammond Family," the Hammonds' lawyer W. Alan Schroeder wrote to Sheriff David Ward.

This is an act of armed sedition against lawful authority. That is all that it is, and that is quite enough. This is not "an expression of anti-government sentiment." Flipping off the governor as he drives by is "an expression of anti-government sentiment." What Alex Jones does every day is "an expression of anti-government sentiment," and god bless them all for it. That's what the Founders had in mind. This is not an "occupation" following "a peaceful protest."

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/01/04/whats-happening-oregon-nothing-less-armed-sedition
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Charles Pierce calls it: What's Happening in Oregon Is Nothing Less Than Armed Sedition (Original Post) 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 OP
turn off the heat angryvet Jan 2016 #1
Yeah the NFL playoffs and the Superbowl workinclasszero Jan 2016 #13
I understand why the feds don't want to make a big deal out of this firebrand80 Jan 2016 #2
That's precisely what it is.... benfranklin1776 Jan 2016 #3
It's official: CNN is in the tank for domestic terrorism now. Not a good development in my view. 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #4
Me neither benfranklin1776 Jan 2016 #5
There is a very good article in WAPO by Janelle Ross brer cat Jan 2016 #9
Excellent point benfranklin1776 Jan 2016 #11
OT somewhat, but I totally dig Pierce's depiction of Trump as KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #6
Yeah, I knew exactly who he meant. Scuba Jan 2016 #7
Me too! Best description yet! "vulgar talking yam" LOL n/t ljm2002 Jan 2016 #10
Thom Hartmann described the usual habitat... 3catwoman3 Jan 2016 #8
R#15 & K n/t UTUSN Jan 2016 #12
Absolutely spot on. NaturalHigh Jan 2016 #14
 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
13. Yeah the NFL playoffs and the Superbowl
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 12:05 PM
Jan 2016

are coming up soon.

Those badass "patriots" will lay down their arms soon, can't miss the Superbowl!

firebrand80

(2,760 posts)
2. I understand why the feds don't want to make a big deal out of this
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 03:32 PM
Jan 2016

They don't want to give these guys any more attention.

But why the media is not all over this is beyond me.

benfranklin1776

(6,445 posts)
3. That's precisely what it is....
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 03:36 PM
Jan 2016

But CNN is giving it nauseating coverage that legitimizes the terrorists by treating them like they're merely staging a DAR pageant. There is no exploration in their repellent coverage of the plethora and true nature of the radical "destroy the federal government" views these terrorists hold and of course no mention of how during the last standoff and call for action how two of their fervent supporters, responding to the rhetoric, assassinated two police officers. They are criminals but CNN seems happy to treat them as folk "heroes" including framing one shot so the American flag was in the background while the gangleader was being interviewed in camera.Disgusting to the extreme to see CNN wholly abdicate its role to report this in its proper criminal context.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
4. It's official: CNN is in the tank for domestic terrorism now. Not a good development in my view.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 03:48 PM
Jan 2016

I've seen some of that "coverage" and it's difficult to watch, very unsettling indeed, and all that's been on MSNBC has been Lockup or other non-news crap they play on holidays.

This feels like some kind of turning point, and I certainly don't like the direction it's going.

benfranklin1776

(6,445 posts)
5. Me neither
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 04:00 PM
Jan 2016

Somewhere Orwell is turning in his grave when CNN calls terrorists "armed activists" it's rather like calling cancer "robust cellular growth"-it minimizes the danger and seriousness of the situation. But I agree it's a conscious choice by CNN to give terrorists a fawning platform and that does not bode well for the cause of rationality.

brer cat

(24,562 posts)
9. There is a very good article in WAPO by Janelle Ross
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 08:37 PM
Jan 2016

which I posted in the AfAm Group (http://www.democraticunderground.com/118736032). One of the points she makes is that when whites are the primary participants, their activities are reported as coming from "a font of principled and committed individuals." When it is PoC, they are lumped in with criminals and looters. This double standard is not just highly offensive, it exacerbates the perception of PoC by many whites as "thugs" and delegitimizes the process of peaceful protests by certain groups.

benfranklin1776

(6,445 posts)
11. Excellent point
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 10:19 AM
Jan 2016

And you are quite right as it's designed to discredit those challenging the inherently racist and economically exploitive system to preserve the dominance of the few over the many. Examples of this are legion as with Katrina where white people breaking into stores and carting off essentials were labeled "foragers" while African Americans were labeled looters and, more recently, where after another police execution of an innocent person in Minneapolis the protestors were shot at by white supremacists but the media quickly downplayed that lest there be too much attention paid to the underlying racial issues raised by the shooting and the police indifference to the threats of the white supremacists prior to the shooting.

3catwoman3

(23,975 posts)
8. Thom Hartmann described the usual habitat...
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 04:45 PM
Jan 2016

...of these yahoos as "sitting in a Laz-E-Boy with a beer," and supports the shut-everything-off approach.

I think the media should shut off the coverage, also. Like Trump, I'm sure they are reveling in it.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
14. Absolutely spot on.
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 12:16 PM
Jan 2016

It's fun to make jokes about these morons, but it's also important to remember that they are committing some very serious crimes.

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