So while the TERRORISTS in Oregon have hurt no one, THESE terrorists have. No threads on this?

[shadowrider]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/631199/boy-raped-ISIS-terror-chief-executed-evil-jihadis-gay-Daesh

A SICK Islamic State terror chief repeatedly raped a 15-year-old boy – then his victim was sentenced to death after he was accused of being a homosexual.

The 15-year-old victim was thrown to his death off a high building in Deir ezzor province in Syria after being sentenced to death by an Islamic court.

According to Islamic State’s radical interpretation of Sharia law, homosexuality is considered an offence punishable by death.

A witness said the execution took place in public, in front of a large gathering of local civilians in the area.

The ISIS commander who raped him is believed to be Abu Zaid al-Jazrawi, who previously appeared in a video showing child soldiers executing prisoners in a sickening twist on the game of hide and seek.

You would think this would at least deserve a footnote, or something.

[JI7]

1. i read somewhere they have hurt Native Americans

but we have been posting on ISIS and media is always reporting on ISIS.

if anyone tries to defend ISIS people will go after them for it.

[shadowrider]

4. My point is, the people in Oregon have hurt no one and "reading somewhere" they MAY

have hurt someone somewhere, isn't exactly proof. It sounds more like rumor in search of a cause.

Wait them out, cut off water, power whatever but I don't believe, by any stretch they're terrorists in the true sense of the word.

I mean no more, and no less.

[JI7]

6. but there is an article which says they have hurt native americans

[shadowrider]

11. And I can show you articles which say Obama is Kenyan.

Here is a hint my friend: Trust nothing you read on the internet. Verify for yourself and don't believe everything you read.

[JI7]

12. you are seriously comparing the two

i would say more but ................

[shadowrider]

31. No, I'm not comparing the two

I'm saying DON'T believe everything you read on the internet. Do some research and come to your own conclusions.

[Tipperary]

33. No, there is a post referring to them riding their ATVs on native lands.

No Native Americans were injured.

[madokie]

13. From reading what you just typed here

my first thought was this person is a gunz guy/gal so I look at your profile and sure enough.

I won't be reading much more of what you have to say, sorry
Have a good life and I wish you the best

[shadowrider]

32. No worries

You too

[hunter]

2. Damn. I thought this would be a thread about cops.

[cali]

3. Oh bullshit. ISIS is condemned here regularly

And this is happening in our country

[shadowrider]

7. Again, my point is

they are NOT terrorists in the true sense of the word. Misguided? Probably.

Terrorists cause San Bernardino
Terrorists cause Paris

20 people holed up in the middle of nowhere and not firing a shot, in my opinion, are not terrorists (in the true sense of the word).

[cali]

14. Wrong. They absolutely fit the definition

http://www.salon.com/2016/01/04/theyre_traitors_lets_call_the_oregon_standoff_what_it_really_is_domestic_terrorism/https://ww
w.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2016/01/04/bundy-sons-lead-antigovernment-extremists-militia-takeover-federal-wildlife-headquartershttps://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/01/03/why-arent-we-calling-the-oregon-militia-terrorists/

http://www.ebony.com/news-views/oregon-standoff-reveals-painfully-obvious-racial-double-standard-333#axzz3wKODKAJo

[brush]

28. Look up the word "sedition". That's what they are guilty of.

They've commited sedition by taking over government property.

They are armed and have threaten to defend the seized property with their arms.

There are strict laws against this type of insurrection. Just google punishment for sedition.

They are domestic terrorists, plain and simple.

Is it that they are white the reason you don't want to call them the terrorists that they are?

[former9thward]

50. Why don't you take it up with Obama?

He said it was a local law enforcement matter. Maybe according to you he does not know the definition of sedition... Is he saying that because they are white?

[brush]

54. Link please

No deflections, what is your stand on it?

Are they terrorists to you?

[former9thward]

66. Here you go...

White House calls Oregon standoff a 'local law enforcement matter'

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/264673-white-house-calls-oregon-standoff-a-local-law-enforcement

I agree with Obama. That is my stand on it. The only things being terrorized is some birds.

[rjsquirrel]

43. Yes they are

They are using a threat of violence to issue political demands. They are the very definition of "terrorists."

Who says we have to choose?

[MosheFeingold]

57. Not sure that is the correct definition

I generally consider someone who randomly kills people or causes mayhem for the purpose of instilling fear ( or rather terror) and thus obtaining dome political or social goal is a terrorist.

This is more accurately called "sedition " or its like.

Doesn't mean they aren't bad news.

It's like cancer is cancer and a massive heart attack is s massive heart attack.

Both bad,but one is not the other

[Bluenorthwest]

60. Definitions are not a matter of what each of us personally considers.

Terrorism: noun the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

Killing is not a prerequisite.

[MosheFeingold]

65. I suppose you are technically correct

But I do believe my definition is much more in line with what people think of terrorists: blowing up stuff, killing random people.

By the FBI definition, a sit in in a college library could be easily cast as terrorism, and it's not.

Whatever the definition, I am most upset about what is getting lost in all this: the rancher (who has nothing to do with these idiots) received an absurd sentence for what was clearly an accident -- and an accident that caused no lasting damage.

A controlled burn got out of hand and burned some scrub land. There is no lasting damage and, in fact, some invasive non-native plants were destroyed, which is good riddance.

The BLM had a controlled burn and burned down most of the forest surrounding my home some years ago. No one got arrested or even fined. It shouldn't happen, but it does sometimes.

The federal judge called the sentence "cruel and unusual" ---- and he's 100% correct. This is just the BLM being a bad neighbor.

[840high]

48. I agree with you. One DU poster

called them ISIS. That was stupid and uncalled for.

[RandiFan1290]

61. Your buddies murdered 2 cops in Las Vegas

then covered their bodies with the 'tea party' flag in hopes of starting their revolution.

Sounds like a terror group to me

[tazkcmo]

51. Traitors. n/t

[PeaceNikki]

64. Why do you care what DU calls those terrorists?

Why is it so important to you to differentiate between those terrorists and ISIS? Do you have a personal stake in it? Are you opposed to old white guys in general being called terrorists or just those terrorists?

[rjsquirrel]

42. Exactly eom

[Bjorn Against]

5. If you want a thread on ISIS start a thread on ISIS, you will by no means be the first to do

Contrary to your assertion there have been numerous threads on ISIS, over the past couple of days Vanilla ISIS has received more attention because it is breaking news but it is not like there have never been ISIS discussions on this site, there have been hundreds of them over the past couple of years.

Saying that Y'all Qaeda hasn't hurt anyone is dismissive of the fact that they have explicitly threatened to kill law enforcement officers who try to remove them from the property. They have engaged in an armed takeover of federal land and even if no one has died yet their actions have put lives in danger. This is a real news story and you have no business shaming people for talking about it.

[shadowrider]

8. I am shaming NO ONE for talking about it, simply asking

why a 15 year old male rape victim doesn't get an honorable mention, no more, no less.

[ucrdem]

9. It's very hard to assess the truth value of claims by or about ISIS.

And ISIS had nothing to do with San Bernardino and that's from the FBI.

[shadowrider]

18. Reread what I said

I said TERRORISM, I didn't say ISIS. Please don't put words in my mouth I didn't say.

[ucrdem]

21. It's in your link.

[shadowrider]

26. Touche'

However,

Star Member ucrdem (7,325 posts)
9. It's very hard to assess the truth value of claims by or about ISIS.

And ISIS had nothing to do with San Bernardino and that's from the FBI.

I never said ISIS had anything to do with San Bernardino, regardless what's in the link (which I didn't write).

[840high]

49. It's not hard to assess truth about ISIS.

[Bjorn Against]

15. It would have been very easy for you to start a thread about the rape victim

Instead of giving the rape victim an honorable mention however you chose to use him to scold people for not talking about what you want them to talk about. Your thread does not honor the rape victim at all, instead you exploit him as a way to scold people for calling the terrorist group in Oregon terrorists.

[ucrdem]

20. oops

sorry ...

[Bjorn Against]

22. I think you responded to the wrong person, this sure as hell is not my OP

[shadowrider]

23. Because

in my opinion, calling a group of mis-guided people in Oregon (who are NOT backed by the people going back to jail by the way) terrorists when they have burned nothing, have shot no one, have no hostages and are doing nothing other than occupying a building in the middle of nowhere is a misguided and perverted us of the word "terrorists", considering what real terrorists (in the true sense of the word), actually do.

[Bjorn Against]

27. An armed takeover of a federal building with threats to murder law enforcement is terrorism

These people are terrorists who are putting lives in danger, I am going to keep calling them terrorists and I am going to call people who defend them terrorist sympathizers whether you like it or not.

[catnhatnh]

47. Of course they are not backed by the people going to jail

The people going to jail are arsonists-not supporters of terrorists...

[jberryhill]

52. Two of the Bundy cohort murdered a police officer

Radical extremist Mormons have committed a number of violent acts over the years.

[madokie]

19. You just made that mention

and it was the first I'd heard of it.

The gun nutts in Oregon are domestic terrorist whether or not you think so. Your argument does not hold water, sorry

[melman]

10. Not a peep about this either

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Al Qaeda in Yemen stones woman to death for adultery, witnesses say
Posted about 10 hours ago

MAP: Yemen
Al Qaeda militants have stoned a woman to death in a south-eastern Yemeni city they control after accusing her of adultery and prostitution, several witnesses say.

The jihadists "placed the woman in a hole in the middle of the courtyard of a military building and stoned her to death in the presence of dozens of residents" of Hadramawt provincial capital Mukalla, one witness said.

A local journalist at the scene confirmed the rare stoning, saying that the gunmen prevented photography of the execution.

"This was the first time we have seen such a thing," another witness said.

A copy of the purported verdict issued by the so-called Hadramawt court of Al Qaeda's Ansar al-Sharia in December said the married woman "confessed in front of the judges to committing adultery".

Al Qaeda's Yemen branch is considered by Washington to be the most dangerous affiliate of the global network.

It has taken advantage of the state's weakness to expand its control in various areas, including the vast Hadramawt region.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-05/al-qaeda-in-yemen-stones-woman-to-death-for-adultery/7067372

[cali]

17. So why haven't you posted an op about ?

[closeupready]

36. Yup. Just like this thread's threadstarter, posing as

someone concerned about the treatment of gay people abroad, and yet, when did he/she ever post in the GLBT forum? NEVER, as far as I can remember, and I've been here over 10 years.

[Dretownblues]

16. I missed the part

Where Syria became part of the US. They have taken a federal building in the united states, completely different situations.

[dumbcat]

25. Everyone knows we never discuss events outside the US

C'mon.

[Dretownblues]

37. I think you misunderstood

What I was saying. One situation is occurring on US soil, thus the US can directly affect the outcome on the other hand we cannot arrest anyone that participated in the grusome display in Syria.

[dumbcat]

44. You're right

...we cannot arrest anyone that participated in the grusome display in Syria.

We could just drone them.

[uppityperson]

24. There are many threads speaking out against DAESH. Instead of posting a thread about this 15 yr old

for his sake, you seem to be chastising and comparing to what's happening in the USA.

[egduj]

29. What a lovely culture.

[dumbcat]

46. Celebrate cultural diversity

Don't be so judgmental. They probably have some good food and dances. (Oh....wait!)

[edhopper]

30. So,

you don't want us to talk about these wackos?

[closeupready]

34. You have over 4600 posts, and yet, not one in the gay forum.

Or at least, not that I'm aware of.

But I'm sure the real outrage here for you is how they are treating gay people. Uh huh.

[nadinbrzezinski]

35. Via the United States District Attorney for Oregon

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/2660399/Statement-USattorney.pdf

[cali]

38. Just for.you: The FBI definition of terrorism

The FBI's definition of terrorism: “the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives."

[TeddyR]

39. Are the Oregon idiots

Technically terrorists? Perhaps, but I'm not aware of any American they have be headed or child they have raped.

[Bjorn Against]

40. I am aware of an armed takeover of a federal facility and that is an act of terrorism

[cali]

41. Jaysus. Not every terrorist act is as loathsome as that. It's still terrorism.

[rjsquirrel]

45. Those are not

the only instances of terrorism.

What is this, a defense of the militia nuts? A gun thing? OP could not care less about victims of ISIS but wants us to leave Ammon Bundy alone?

They're all terrorists. Get a clue.

[Maedhros]

56. No "force or violence against persons or property" has been used.

Hence, by this definition, they are not 'terrorists.'

"Unlawful use of force" - not threats - is necessary.

Are they seditious? Insurgent? Rebellious? Maybe; probably. They are certainly trespassing.

[Bluenorthwest]

62. Brandishing weapons and threatening to use them if not obeyed is the use of force.

If I point a gun at you or your loved one and say 'Do what I say or I shoot' that is a criminal act of violence, it is not required that I fire that gun to make that a criminal act.

[dorkulon]

53. This happened in Syria. The other guys are in the UNITED STATES.

K?

[CBGLuthier]

55. Who gives a fuck if they have not hurt anyone. What they are doing is illegal

In America we have laws. When people break the laws they need to be stopped.
If you are so concerned that not enough attention is being paid to events in Syria then get on your fucking high horse, ride over there, and do something about it.
Yeah ISIS sucks.
So do RW assholes who think the laws don't apply to them. I am a lot more worried about domestic terrorism than fucking ISIS.

[RandiFan1290]

58. Jared and Amanda Miller murdered 2 cops in Las Vegas last year

Then covered their bodies with the 'tea party' flag in hopes to start the revolution.

I'm sure that doesn't count to the defenders.

[romanic]

59. I'm not worried about the stupid-ass hicks in Oregon

They're just a bunch of blowhards with a couple of rifles that will swiftly piss their pants when the feds come. The Dylan Roofs and James Holmes are the real domestic terrorists.

[KG]

63. I lulz'd

more heartwarming defenses of the seditious shitbags