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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsComment Period On TPP Closes In 8 Days
Heard this today on Thom Hartmann's program.
Just passing on an F Y I.
Haven't heard much on TPP either.
So here is your reminder.
msongs
(67,405 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)All right. "Grand-Guignol."
http://www.slate.com/articles/life/the_good_word/2010/04/its_time_to_retire_kabuki.html
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)link to comment website in article
until jan 13
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)"anticipated" profits denied because of our environmental or safety regulations? They shouldn't and we should not
be required to change our regulations to enable a race to the bottom maximizing corporate profits at the expense
of Human health and lives.
Why should we bring disputes to packed tribunals judged by corporate lawyers?
We shouldn't it is merely an avenue to deny us access to judicial remedy.
This whole agreement negotiated in secret is an attempt to subvert the sovereignty of the USA and anyone
voting to agree to it should be charged with treason.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)mind if i borrow the line about "maximizing corporate profits at the expense of health and lives" to put into my comment?
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)on social media or whatever communication we use. this is going to screw all of us badly.
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Shandris
(3,447 posts)...attention every second of every day. I heard some conspiracy theorists even saying they EXPECTED things like that to happen, just to keep it off the front pages until it was signed. Can you imagine the gall of those silly people, to think such unbelievable thoughts?
Why, there's nothing going on in the world that isn't being truthfully, completely, told to us by our media. We're the most informed people on earth!
What were we talking about again? Oh, Oregon, right! Yeah, so it must be a black/white thing, right? I mean, everything else for the last two years has been. And whats up with that MASSIVE surge in gun violence? A bit odd, neh? Oh and did you hear about Russia, why they're...
...what's the TPP again? Must not be important. I mean, did you hear? Kim Kardashian has a new...
Joe Shlabotnik
(5,604 posts)The more were distracted by some idiotic militia, or bloviating Trump, the better for the oligarchs. Its no accident.
A Little Weird
(1,754 posts)My comments are below. I probably should have taken more time to form a comment and properly edit it, but I was afraid I would forget if I put it off. I'm pretty cynical these days and wonder if anyone even reads these comments.
Docket ID: USTR-2015-0012
I strongly oppose the TPP. The passage of this will destroy American jobs in manufacturing and the service sector at a time we desperately need them.
It provides unprecedented power to corporate interests whose "anticipated future profits" can be protected at the expense of US regulations, especially environmental and safety regulations. Our laws should not be subject to the whim of foreign corporations (or domestic ones for that matter).
Food safety will be threatened by the increase in imported food from countries with less stringent safety enforcement.
Disputes are to be settled by international tribunals which is another undemocratic provision. Disputes should be handled by the federal courts with a jury of citizens.
Prescription drug prices will rise, both here and abroad. Doctors without Borders stated that the TPP agreement is on track to become the most harmful trade pact ever for access to medicines in developing countries."
Under TPP, the ability to give preferential treatment to US made products and services for government contracts will be removed. We will even lose the ability to prohibit companies with horrible human rights records from competing for government contracts.
The TPP would bar our government from imposing capital controls on the financial sector. This will make us vulnerable to another crash like the one we are still recovering from.
Perhaps most disturbingly of all, the TPP has no end date so it would be virtually impossible to repeal. If it is passed, changes can only be made by a consensus of all signatory countries. This agreement which was negotiated in secret elevates multinational corporations above our own citizens and subverts the sovereignty of the USA. I strongly urge you to reject the Trans-Pacific Partnership.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)One would think from the months of hoopla over how awful it was going to be there would be endless articles decrying all the ills. Instead as soon as it was public magically all discussion of it disappeared.
Odd that.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Not our fault Corporate Owned News stopped talking about it as soon as the next shiny thing came by.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)And really an article from two months ago that just says "it's worse".
Not very convincing. Where is the quoted text from the actual bill? One would think they would actually be able to point to it now and lay out the case. I don't see it happening though. Why is that?
If you think some yahoo with an agenda saying " it's worse" is convincing analysis ,that is certainly your prerogative I need a little more than that.
I am happy to go against it if someone can actually lay out a decent case for it with quotes from the publicly available text but I have yet to see a single article that is anything more than some persons opinion with no actual document to support the claim.
As I said before it is quite odd that the worst deal on the planet has not been torn apart piece by piece for all the world to see. Leads me to believe that the agenda driven screaming was shut down the second the text was actually released cause they couldn't make stuff up anymore.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)I wanted to remind you that there's more to the story that you are not hearing on television or reading in the New York Times or Washington Post.
Do you think the TPP will make life better for 99-percent of Americans or will it make life better for the 1-percent?
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Odd that even Hillary came out (sort of) against it.
And here's a recent letter from the Labor Advisory Committee to President Obama which outlines their opposition to TPP
https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/Labor-Advisory-Committee-for-Trade-Negotiations-and-Trade-Policy.pdf