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cali

(114,904 posts)
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 09:54 PM Jan 2016

This was the first time I've listened to trump ever. I'm so appalled I don't know what to say.

I've never seen an interview with him or heard his stump speech or watched his stupid shows.

He didn't talk issues or policy except for gobbledygook about bending everyone to his will, from Iran to Apple.. He mostly rambled on an ugly, fractured rambling way.

I so don't get it.

He's despicable and a caricature. He's a horrible human being and a complete embarrassment.

I'm at a complete loss.

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This was the first time I've listened to trump ever. I'm so appalled I don't know what to say. (Original Post) cali Jan 2016 OP
It's like a car wreck...and a train wreck. Now you know why those of us that have... ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #1
Thrump followers are an embarrasment to our country. Rockyj Jan 2016 #12
It's not incomprehensible. Funtatlaguy Jan 2016 #51
He communicates via the id in visceral blasts that leave an afterglow LuvLoogie Jan 2016 #2
Spot fucking on. cali Jan 2016 #3
Brilliant malaise Jan 2016 #9
Perfect! myrna minx Jan 2016 #14
That Glamrock Jan 2016 #29
Thread winner. It's not coherent, it's Trump's id relating to other conservative ids. phantom power Jan 2016 #55
Ayup. hifiguy Jan 2016 #58
he is the frankenstein the GOP created Takket Jan 2016 #4
You said it. nruthie Jan 2016 #19
Well said CanonRay Jan 2016 #28
Excellent analysis LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jan 2016 #37
And they have no cause to complain hifiguy Jan 2016 #59
Boundless narcissism with occasional helpings of sadism ("take their coats") bullwinkle428 Jan 2016 #5
+1. n/t pnwmom Jan 2016 #8
You are describing most republicans I have met Person 2713 Jan 2016 #18
refusing to allow protesters to take their coats in this freezing weather is not very presidential Hamlette Jan 2016 #43
The first and only time I watched him was when he spoke to the Jewish group. morningfog Jan 2016 #6
Our only hope is that he is really this campaign season's Sanjay. nt tblue37 Jan 2016 #24
Doesn't his speech style remind you of Palin's, except for the added nastiness? pnwmom Jan 2016 #7
Yes it does. Wellstone ruled Jan 2016 #10
I think he's even more unhinged cali Jan 2016 #11
He's also smarter, which is not saying much it must be admitted. hifiguy Jan 2016 #60
He used to seem... TeeYiYi Jan 2016 #31
Trump understands 'American exceptionalism.' immoderate Jan 2016 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jan 2016 #15
Can't believe you haven't heard him before Cali ! Yes, everything Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2016 #16
I just figured that since I already knew he was awful I didn't need to subject cali Jan 2016 #22
Smart girl ! Can't believe they predicted Jeb would be the nominee Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2016 #49
I'll be genuinely shocked if Jeb is the nominee. cali Jan 2016 #63
Same here. Watched for the first time tonight and I am apalled. Punkingal Jan 2016 #17
I haven't seen any of his speeches or interviews. m-lekktor Jan 2016 #20
Please watch one so you will know CanonRay Jan 2016 #30
True - he is a candidate like no other. A media master. Overbooking the Vermont Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2016 #50
What is even more horrifying is that so many Americans find him smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #21
Haven't you seen his HAT?! Isn't that a deal-clencher for you? (It seems to be tblue37 Jan 2016 #23
Americas Mussolini. DCBob Jan 2016 #25
Part George Wallace, part Berlusconi, part Mussolini, part Peron... First Speaker Jan 2016 #26
Resulting in a vulgar talking yam hifiguy Jan 2016 #61
I am so sorry Kalidurga Jan 2016 #27
Yeah that is how I felt when I was growing up listening to Reagan laugh about AIDS. Rex Jan 2016 #32
He does the same thing the rest of the GOP candidates do except he does it without valerief Jan 2016 #33
He seems like a horrible human being. Kath1 Jan 2016 #34
Me too ... Goblor Jan 2016 #35
he's a pompous ass. no one loves don like don loves don. spanone Jan 2016 #36
Instead of the media focusing on candidates talking about the issues they focus on Trump. jalan48 Jan 2016 #38
That's it NJCher Jan 2016 #42
Thank you for the kind words. jalan48 Jan 2016 #52
Sadly, there are way more racist , bigots and haters kacekwl Jan 2016 #39
The takeaways from his speech: ecstatic Jan 2016 #40
I think you summed it up quite neatly. cali Jan 2016 #47
I can take about 5 to 10 minutes before I have to turn it off Gothmog Jan 2016 #41
I'm still thinking he's Andy Kaufman performance art. Scuba Jan 2016 #44
Me, too. leftyladyfrommo Jan 2016 #45
Many horrible human beings in the GOP want him to represent them; he's successful at being horrible muriel_volestrangler Jan 2016 #46
Someone played clips from his speeches - sort of a "greatest hits" - and Vinca Jan 2016 #48
He's been horrible for the past 3 decades tenderfoot Jan 2016 #53
bit late to the game Cali, he's been spewing this crap since day 1..and I just don't get it either Demonaut Jan 2016 #54
He repeats the same shtick over and over again. There is no substance just Glimmer of Hope Jan 2016 #56
Even The Austrian Corporal and Mussolini had actual platforms. hifiguy Jan 2016 #57
A less than majority of Republicans randr Jan 2016 #62
 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
1. It's like a car wreck...and a train wreck. Now you know why those of us that have...
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 09:57 PM
Jan 2016

...have been shaking our heads in disbelief for 7 months now.

It's just incomprehensible that there are people out there that eat his shit...up.

Rockyj

(538 posts)
12. Thrump followers are an embarrasment to our country.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 10:26 PM
Jan 2016

Other country's probably think we're all nuts! Listening to Chris Haye's interview some of them I'm @ loss for words.

LuvLoogie

(7,069 posts)
2. He communicates via the id in visceral blasts that leave an afterglow
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 10:01 PM
Jan 2016

in brains with atrophied attention spans.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
58. Ayup.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 05:44 PM
Jan 2016

As George Carlin, that Great American Truth-teller once observed, "think about how stupid the average person is. Half the people are dumber than that."

Takket

(21,702 posts)
4. he is the frankenstein the GOP created
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 10:04 PM
Jan 2016

They carefully crafted and brainwashed their base, beginning with Rush's program being inserted in every rural corner of america, and fanned into an inferno by fox news. they crafted the base to move farther to the right to provide themselves with a perpetual resource for votes and did it by fanning the flames of racism, sexism, xenophobia and narcissism.

The said to themselves "there, now we have an entire generation there for us to control and do with as we please". Now they could depend on them to support anyone with the GOP label.

Then Trump came along.............. Trump, who as you said, is a caricature of everything the GOP wanted their base to be, and now the base has reared its ugly head and taken control of the ship.

They made this monster, this personification of the base, and now they have to deal with it.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
59. And they have no cause to complain
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 05:49 PM
Jan 2016

that Frankenstein is tearing the castle down around them. It was inevitable.

bullwinkle428

(20,631 posts)
5. Boundless narcissism with occasional helpings of sadism ("take their coats")
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 10:05 PM
Jan 2016

are pretty much the hallmark of every public speech he makes.

Hamlette

(15,412 posts)
43. refusing to allow protesters to take their coats in this freezing weather is not very presidential
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 03:33 AM
Jan 2016

or human. Does he do shit like that often? I'd never seen anything like it.

Think about someone who is called "The Donald" as the president of our country.

How far we have fallen. No wonder he likes Putin, he's just like him.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
6. The first and only time I watched him was when he spoke to the Jewish group.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 10:11 PM
Jan 2016

I felt the same way. It was all about how he would win, how he's gaming the system, bravado, insults and stupid tough guy shit. I was dumbfounded that he has had any staying power with any group. It is disturbing that anyone actually supports him.

He is dangerous though. He knows the farce that has become the nomination process. He is exploiting it.

pnwmom

(109,024 posts)
7. Doesn't his speech style remind you of Palin's, except for the added nastiness?
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 10:13 PM
Jan 2016

It's just word salad, most of the time.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
10. Yes it does.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 10:16 PM
Jan 2016

The usage of words comes out of a High School Movie script. Waiting for Freddie and his chain saw complete with the Hockey mask.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
60. He's also smarter, which is not saying much it must be admitted.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 05:51 PM
Jan 2016

Il Douche has a plan of sorts. Not a good or sane one, but he does have a plan. Sparklemoose was ultimately in it for fifteen minutes of fame and the money that comes with it.

TeeYiYi

(8,028 posts)
31. He used to seem...
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:19 AM
Jan 2016

...mildly more intelligent than Palin. Now, and in retrospect, I'm not so sure. Both appear to be masters at delivering compulsive, incoherent word salad.

TYY

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Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
16. Can't believe you haven't heard him before Cali ! Yes, everything
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 10:43 PM
Jan 2016

you say is true ! And I am totally convinced he will win the nomination and has a very good chance to win it all. And, with a repuke congress there is no telling what horrors lie ahead. BTW, I got thoroughly chastised by my husband for watching the Trump circus in the kitchen while he raved about how wonderful Obama was at his gun town hall.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
22. I just figured that since I already knew he was awful I didn't need to subject
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 11:18 PM
Jan 2016

myself to watching him.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
49. Smart girl ! Can't believe they predicted Jeb would be the nominee
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:22 AM
Jan 2016

on Morning Joe this morning. What could possibly happen that would make people start liking him all of a sudden?

Punkingal

(9,522 posts)
17. Same here. Watched for the first time tonight and I am apalled.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 11:04 PM
Jan 2016

Complete rambling, nothing specific at all about solutions to anything, and he has all these people thinking he has answers. It blows my mind.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
20. I haven't seen any of his speeches or interviews.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 11:18 PM
Jan 2016

I am sure I would be appalled as well based on comments he has made that I have heard about.

CanonRay

(14,141 posts)
30. Please watch one so you will know
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:05 AM
Jan 2016

Even though it's pain. We all need to understand what we're up against and that all this Hillary vs Bernie shit is irrelevant in the long run.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
50. True - he is a candidate like no other. A media master. Overbooking the Vermont
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:29 AM
Jan 2016

site - to make it look like thousands are out in the cold unable to see him. PLUS - he plans all this while Obama is doing his town hall on CNN to steal TV viewers. He is smart enough to realize he can say ANYTHING. There is no truth source that everyone believes in anymore. Plus, he is very good at brushing off any criticism and good at zingers that are humorous but are enormously effective - i.e. Low Energy Bush.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
21. What is even more horrifying is that so many Americans find him
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 11:18 PM
Jan 2016

so appealing. I find that really depressing.

tblue37

(65,528 posts)
23. Haven't you seen his HAT?! Isn't that a deal-clencher for you? (It seems to be
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 11:31 PM
Jan 2016

for about 35%-40% of the GOP base.)

First Speaker

(4,858 posts)
26. Part George Wallace, part Berlusconi, part Mussolini, part Peron...
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 11:44 PM
Jan 2016

...all mixed in with some evil essence, some bulwark of dried liquid shit, that's uniquely his...

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
27. I am so sorry
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 11:50 PM
Jan 2016

I never saw a clip featuring T-Rump until many months of warnings. I read headlines here and a few articles sans clips. Then I saw an actual video of T-Rump it was nasty the one where he talks about Mexican immigrants. I am so done with that topee with a mouth. I remember the good old days when I just saw a show of his every once in a while and he would fire someone. He didn't seem evil then just stupid.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
32. Yeah that is how I felt when I was growing up listening to Reagan laugh about AIDS.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:20 AM
Jan 2016

I am still at a complete loss when it comes to republicans.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
33. He does the same thing the rest of the GOP candidates do except he does it without
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:26 AM
Jan 2016

complete sentences.

Kath1

(4,309 posts)
34. He seems like a horrible human being.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:46 AM
Jan 2016

I watched it, too. OMG! He is worse than I thought, and I thought he was terrible before. Racist, bigoted, narrow-minded, aggressive, confrontational and egotistical. Not what I ever want to see in a President. I didn't think I could hate anything more than the Bush administration, but this would be even worse.

I was glad to see so many people protesting. This guy is the worst America can vomit up. The fact that he has any support at all is scary to me.

Goblor

(163 posts)
35. Me too ...
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:49 AM
Jan 2016

I just sent a a Letter-to-the-Editor to several Mexican news papers regarding his incoherent rant and our un-acceptance of his blathering, racist point-of-view...

spanone

(135,924 posts)
36. he's a pompous ass. no one loves don like don loves don.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:52 AM
Jan 2016

an obnoxious boor.

it says a shitload about his 'followers' they must be despicable people too.

jalan48

(13,909 posts)
38. Instead of the media focusing on candidates talking about the issues they focus on Trump.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:54 AM
Jan 2016

Could it be that the corporate media doesn't want the American public exposed to a rational discussion of important issues? 'Reality TV Presidential Race' is what we are getting. A kind of "Survivor" where Trump plays the role of the obnoxious bad guy who manages to avoid being kicked off. Stay tuned next week for another exciting episode.

jalan48

(13,909 posts)
52. Thank you for the kind words.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:49 AM
Jan 2016

It just seems a bit obvious that the Presidential election cycle has become another event to market to the public.

kacekwl

(7,026 posts)
39. Sadly, there are way more racist , bigots and haters
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:55 AM
Jan 2016

in this country than we may have thought. I see and hear it almost daily. This is why he is doing so well .

ecstatic

(32,785 posts)
40. The takeaways from his speech:
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 01:02 AM
Jan 2016

It's ok to steal someone's coat if you don't like what he or she says!

It's ok to laugh about an American company's stock plummeting (despite the job and wealth losses that hurts American families)

People should have the right to carry guns everywhere, including schools!

And let's not forget his crocodile tears over the thought of never getting to ride in a Rolls Royce again, not to mention his bragging about how safe his new ride was.

Did I forget anything?

Gothmog

(145,839 posts)
41. I can take about 5 to 10 minutes before I have to turn it off
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 02:02 AM
Jan 2016

I also can not believe that people are buying this crap

muriel_volestrangler

(101,412 posts)
46. Many horrible human beings in the GOP want him to represent them; he's successful at being horrible
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 08:35 AM
Jan 2016

They like making snap judgements of other people, and calling them 'losers', or throwing ethnic libels around like 'rapists'. And in Trump, they see someone with their prejudices and hatreds, but who is clever enough to have played the system and made money (though, arguably, no more than anyone else who inherits a lot) and got his name on a lot of things, and his face on TV. They want to believe they too can be rich and famous, without leaving behind their bigotry.

I can understand the die-hard bigots, idiots and nutters in the Republican party might like him; what worries me is that he is still competitive in match-up polls for the whole electorate. His support ought to be down at the level of the 27% crazification factor, at best:

John: Hey, Bush is now at 37% approval. I feel much less like Kevin McCarthy screaming in traffic. But I wonder what his base is --

Tyrone: 27%.

John: ... you said that immmediately, and with some authority.

Tyrone: Obama vs. Alan Keyes. Keyes was from out of state, so you can eliminate any established political base; both candidates were black, so you can factor out racism; and Keyes was plainly, obviously, completely crazy. Batshit crazy. Head-trauma crazy. But 27% of the population of Illinois voted for him. They put party identification, personal prejudice, whatever ahead of rational judgement. Hell, even like 5% of Democrats voted for him. That's crazy behaviour. I think you have to assume a 27% Crazification Factor in any population.

John: Objectively crazy or crazy vis-a-vis my own inertial reference frame for rational behaviour? I mean, are you creating the Theory of Special Crazification or General Crazification?

Tyrone: Hadn't thought about it. Let's split the difference. Half just have worldviews which lead them to disagree with what you consider rationality even though they arrive at their positions through rational means, and the other half are the core of the Crazification -- either genuinely crazy; or so woefully misinformed about how the world works, the bases for their decision making is so flawed they may as well be crazy.

John: You realize this leads to there being over 30 million crazy people in the US?

Tyrone: Does that seem wrong?

John: ... a bit low, actually.

http://kfmonkey.blogspot.co.uk/2005/10/lunch-discussions-145-crazification.html

Vinca

(50,326 posts)
48. Someone played clips from his speeches - sort of a "greatest hits" - and
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 08:43 AM
Jan 2016

the first thought that came to my mind was that he sounded like a stand-up comedian doing his act. This election has become very, very scary because I can imagine the scenario where this nutjob wins. He'll make Reagan seem like the good old days.

tenderfoot

(8,438 posts)
53. He's been horrible for the past 3 decades
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:25 PM
Jan 2016

He came on my radar screen back in the early 80's because of his involvement with the USFL and snatching big name players like Herschel Walker from the NFL. He was a big mouth then - you must check out this documentary:



if you can take it.

I hoped at the time that he would fade away, never to be heard from again - but no... he just stayed in the spotlight acting like the biggest loudest douche in the room.

More reading on what a dickbag he is - this from the early 1990s: http://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/donald-trump-and-the-central-park-five

Demonaut

(8,937 posts)
54. bit late to the game Cali, he's been spewing this crap since day 1..and I just don't get it either
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:27 PM
Jan 2016

how does he have this level of support???????

Glimmer of Hope

(5,823 posts)
56. He repeats the same shtick over and over again. There is no substance just
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 05:06 PM
Jan 2016

plenty of dumb and ugly blurbs.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
57. Even The Austrian Corporal and Mussolini had actual platforms.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 05:37 PM
Jan 2016

Il Douche just blathers on about the magnificence of He, tRump.

But this country has, historically, been virulently anti-intellectual, mistrusting both genuine education and the genuinely educated. The surprise is that it's taken this long for someone like the Vulgar Talking Yam to come along.

randr

(12,418 posts)
62. A less than majority of Republicans
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 06:23 PM
Jan 2016

think he is better than all the other Republican candidates. Can't argue with them there.

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