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MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:13 PM Jan 2016

White House: Obama Can't Pardon 'Making A Murderer' Convicts

When schools stopped teaching Civics, Americans became ignorant of hw their government works.

White House: Obama Can't Pardon 'Making A Murderer' Convicts

WASHINGTON (AP) — Armchair detectives hoping for a different ending for two convicts featured in "Making a Murderer" will have to look beyond the president for help.

An online White House petition urging President Barack Obama to pardon Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey has nearly 130,000 signatures, assuring an official response. Avery and Dassey are serving time for a 2005 murder, but the petition-signers say the men were wrongfully convicted. The case has attracted national attention from the hit Netflix documentary series.

The White House says under the Constitution, the president can't pardon Avery and Dassey because they were convicted of state crimes, not federal crimes.

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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/steven-avery-making-a-murderer-white-house
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White House: Obama Can't Pardon 'Making A Murderer' Convicts (Original Post) MohRokTah Jan 2016 OP
Steven Avery Prosecutor Says Netflix Series Omitted Key Evidence: TipTok Jan 2016 #1
Controversy puts eyes on glass, and eyes on glss ofr Netflix translates to subscriptions. MohRokTah Jan 2016 #2
Believe it dragonlady Jan 2016 #3
Kratz is a fucking prick rufus dog Jan 2016 #5
Yup, Pres. Obama has no power to pardon state inmates, only federal inmates. eom. GGJohn Jan 2016 #4
Wow. Shandris Jan 2016 #6
The President only has authority over federal agencies administered by the Executive branch. Xithras Jan 2016 #7
 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
1. Steven Avery Prosecutor Says Netflix Series Omitted Key Evidence:
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:21 PM
Jan 2016

Former Wisconsin state prosecutor Ken Kratz says Netflix's Making a Murderer left out some key pieces of evidence against Steven Avery in its 10-part docu-series.

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Phone records show three calls from Avery to Teresa's cell phone on Oct. 31," says Kratz. "One at 2:24 [p.m.], and one at 2:35 – both calls Avery uses the *67 feature so Teresa doesn't know it him...both placed before she arrives.

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During his time in prison for a rape he was later cleared of, Kratz says Avery allegedly "told another inmate of his intent to build a 'torture chamber' so he could rape, torture and kill young women when he was released." Kratz adds, "He even drew a diagram."

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According to Kratz, Avery's DNA, which he says was not taken from his blood, was also found under the hood of Halbach's car, a Toyota RAV4. "How did his DNA get under the hood if Avery never touched her car? Do the cops have a vial of Avery's sweat?" asks Kratz. Defense attorneys alleged that Avery's blood, which was found in Halbach's car, may have been planted, taken from a vial of Avery's blood that was 11 years old.



http://www.people.com/article/steven-avery-prosecutor-ken-kratz-says-netflix-series-forgot-key-evidence

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
2. Controversy puts eyes on glass, and eyes on glss ofr Netflix translates to subscriptions.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:25 PM
Jan 2016

I'm just flabbergasted that anybody thought Obama could pardon these men. The ignorance of how government works translates directly to Trump popularity, IMO.

dragonlady

(3,577 posts)
3. Believe it
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 01:03 PM
Jan 2016

We do have a complicated government, with several levels, but many people think just in terms of "the government" because they aren't really interested in the whole thing the way we are. It's enough for them to complain about "the government" for everything they don't like, and stay oblivious to the fact that things like Medicare and Social Security are from "the government."

 

rufus dog

(8,419 posts)
5. Kratz is a fucking prick
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 01:27 PM
Jan 2016

He himself is a sexual predator.

That being said, it is most probable that Avery committed the crime. Teresa's cell phone was found in the burn bin, there were the calls. Issue is that there was a lot of circumstantial evidence along with missing evidence in the States case. No blood evidence in the trailer, etc. Also shocking ignorance of the kids original Attorney and investigator.

 

Shandris

(3,447 posts)
6. Wow.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 01:58 PM
Jan 2016

While I readily admit to things I don't know, I don't typically find TOO many in government affairs that slip past me, but I'll be darned if this one didn't. I had no idea.

We taught 'Government' back in school, but I'm pretty sure we never made it to that topic. It was more like US History Lite, for a half semester.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
7. The President only has authority over federal agencies administered by the Executive branch.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 02:34 PM
Jan 2016

And even that authority is constrained by federal law. Federal Bureau of Prisons is under the authority of the Department of Justice, which is under the Executive. This gives the President authority over federal prisoners, including the right to commute their sentences.

The state prisons are under the authority of state governors and aren't subject to federal jurisdiction (except where their operation crosses constitutional boundaries). Because they are not part of the federal system, the President has no authority over them.

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