Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Ex Lurker

(3,813 posts)
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 03:27 PM Jan 2016

Cologne police chief fired

31 suspects identified, 18 of them asylum seekers. The Left needs to figure out its own reasonable response to this--one that doesn't consist of sticking our heads in the sand or dismissing it as racism and xenophobia. Because the reaction is not coming, it's already here.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/08/europe/europe-new-year-alleged-violence/

15 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Cologne police chief fired (Original Post) Ex Lurker Jan 2016 OP
Just to point out something Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #1
From what I saw on European 840high Jan 2016 #5
Again, not claiming that nothing happended Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #8
Of course, this occurred in Europe. Baitball Blogger Jan 2016 #2
Good. The mayor should be next LittleBlue Jan 2016 #3
....x10+ 840high Jan 2016 #4
x100 nt B2G Jan 2016 #7
+1 FLPanhandle Jan 2016 #13
Remember what happened to Lara Logan? geek tragedy Jan 2016 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author saturnsring Jan 2016 #9
She was sexually assaulted/raped by a pack of Egyptian men on the streets of Cairo geek tragedy Jan 2016 #10
Justifiably so. hifiguy Jan 2016 #11
Yep. Mandatory "DO NOT RAPE" classes for men from that part of the world geek tragedy Jan 2016 #12
If someone needs a class to know that, then they shouldn't be immigrating anywhere FLPanhandle Jan 2016 #15
The authorities at DU know it was really white men with tans. SolutionisSolidarity Jan 2016 #14
 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
1. Just to point out something
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 03:35 PM
Jan 2016

People have been identified as "suspects". There has been no trial, no details of the investigation, and there probably won't be for weeks or months.

People were attacked, but until evidence is collected and witnesses interviewed, it is WAY early to be making sweeping conclusions about the specifics.

We have MANY examples of "premature adjudication" in U.S. history that should make us a wary of accepting the first things we hear about what happened.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
8. Again, not claiming that nothing happended
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 03:53 PM
Jan 2016

There is a question of whether the police had sufficient numbers to control the crowds they knew would exists and knew that be drinking.

But the details matter, and right now the media and many others are making claims about what happened, when exactly what happened has not been established.

"X people, of y people identified as suspects, belong to z group."

This may be true, but it also me be absolutely false, or true but people identified as suspects are actually innocent.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
3. Good. The mayor should be next
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 03:40 PM
Jan 2016

And after that, the minister who compared chat rooms to sexual assault. Then Merkel and and all her incompetent cronies.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
6. Remember what happened to Lara Logan?
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 03:44 PM
Jan 2016

That's how they roll in that part of the world. And it's not outlier behavior. It's the norm.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7514567.stm

SEXUAL HARASSMENT IN EGYPT


Experienced by 98% of foreign women visitors

Experienced by 83% of Egyptian women

62% of Egyptian men admitted harassing women

53% of Egyptian men blame women for 'bringing it on'


Response to geek tragedy (Reply #6)

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
10. She was sexually assaulted/raped by a pack of Egyptian men on the streets of Cairo
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 03:57 PM
Jan 2016
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/lara-logan-breaks-silence-on-cairo-assault/

The people of Europe are probably having second thoughts about importing that kind of behavior.
 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
11. Justifiably so.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 04:00 PM
Jan 2016

It's time for myth of "cultural relativism" to be buried, and in a very deep grave. Some cultures ARE better than others even if all are decidedly imperfect.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
12. Yep. Mandatory "DO NOT RAPE" classes for men from that part of the world
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 04:03 PM
Jan 2016

should be required. It's rape culture on steroids.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
15. If someone needs a class to know that, then they shouldn't be immigrating anywhere
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 04:26 PM
Jan 2016

Forget the class. If they don't understand how to behave as a human being, then fuck them.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Cologne police chief fire...