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Here you go dickbag... (Original Post) Playinghardball Jan 2016 OP
Truth. Truth. Truth. Truth Augiedog Jan 2016 #1
yep, 63splitwindow Jan 2016 #2
K & R Dont call me Shirley Jan 2016 #3
K&R mountain grammy Jan 2016 #4
Needs a Boeing or Northrup on there n/t n2doc Jan 2016 #5
And the companies that make them! nt Duval Jan 2016 #8
Lockheed is the biggest abuser lately with that F-35 project GummyBearz Jan 2016 #13
"Northrup" as in Northrup-King? Snobblevitch Jan 2016 #24
I would think mindem Jan 2016 #28
Northrop Snobblevitch Jan 2016 #35
You'd be amazed at the number of Americans that think like that. Compared to the Military.. BlueJazz Jan 2016 #6
Nothing amazes me any more. Fritz Walter Jan 2016 #9
Monsanto needs to be in there, too. loudsue Jan 2016 #7
Could someone point me to somewhere with a succinct comparison of Grown2Hate Jan 2016 #10
No one knows! jimmil Jan 2016 #11
The "apolitical" ones are often Rethugs in disguise. n/t SylviaD Jan 2016 #12
I agree generally, but I've gotten to know her well in the last two years, and I can Grown2Hate Jan 2016 #19
I used to be that way LittleGirl Jan 2016 #25
pie chart 63splitwindow Jan 2016 #17
That chart doesn't tell the real story seabeckind Jan 2016 #27
This chart is also inaccurate . . FairWinds Jan 2016 #31
True. The actual source for the expenditures is complicated seabeckind Jan 2016 #33
All good comments. Thanks. nt 63splitwindow Jan 2016 #34
The only thing that trickles down... liberalnarb Jan 2016 #14
I am looking for the video made in 2010 of a map of the US with all the representative DhhD Jan 2016 #29
I always called trickle down theory Mendocino Jan 2016 #30
That's the PTB using Psyops on the US population. Unknown Beatle Jan 2016 #15
As Emeril Used to Say Leith Jan 2016 #16
Excellent Cassiopeia Jan 2016 #18
Kicked and recommended to the Max! Enthusiast Jan 2016 #20
Kick. GoneFishin Jan 2016 #21
Perfect! daleanime Jan 2016 #22
If we really put our minds to it, we could probably come up with an entire classroom libdem4life Jan 2016 #23
K&R nt laundry_queen Jan 2016 #26
I do love that one. MatthewStLouis Jan 2016 #32
K&R irisblue Jan 2016 #36
K and Fucking R! smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #37
 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
6. You'd be amazed at the number of Americans that think like that. Compared to the Military..
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 04:28 PM
Jan 2016

...industrial complex/crooks/corruption/con-people, the feeding and help regarding the poor is peanuts.

...and the populace falls for it every time.

Fritz Walter

(4,291 posts)
9. Nothing amazes me any more.
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 04:41 PM
Jan 2016

Disappointed? Yep.
Embarrassed? Way-too-often.
Appalled or Disgusted? Yes, to both.

But together, we keep doing whatever it takes.
To get through the day.
To change our government "leadership."

Grown2Hate

(2,012 posts)
10. Could someone point me to somewhere with a succinct comparison of
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 05:19 PM
Jan 2016

the percentage of taxes that go to assistance vs the percentage that goes into defense and the subsidies referenced here? I'd love to use this on my Director at work. She uses this silly argument (her money going to the "lazy&quot a LITTLE bit (dips her toes into it anyhow), but she's always very responsive when I combat the sentiment. She's NOT conservative; she's apolitical and I'm slowly but surely working on her.

The problem is I do it in generalities, so I need to be more specific. I'd bring her over to our side with figures. Any help is appreciated, and may get me to sway this non-voter at my work into doing the right thing this time around.

jimmil

(629 posts)
11. No one knows!
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 05:26 PM
Jan 2016

No one knows how much the entire defense industry spends. In the 1990s there was something passed by Congress to make the Pentagon audit their books so to speak but it has never been done. Who knows what black projects spend and other defense related expenses under other departments. My bet is the entire amount of taxes collected and everything else is rolled into deficits.

Grown2Hate

(2,012 posts)
19. I agree generally, but I've gotten to know her well in the last two years, and I can
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 07:04 PM
Jan 2016

assure you that she's simply politically ignorant. I don't think she could tell you the difference between a Rethuglican and a Democrat. But one thing that does sway her is facts and figures. Thanks to all that responded!

LittleGirl

(8,287 posts)
25. I used to be that way
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 02:08 AM
Jan 2016

I didn't start studying politics until 2007 when I had time and no job. I was one of those that didn't know a republican vs a democratic voter. I barely knew who the President was. Seriously, didn't vote after the 1980 election (I voted for Carter) until 2008.

seabeckind

(1,957 posts)
27. That chart doesn't tell the real story
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 07:42 AM
Jan 2016

In order to cover for the amounts really being spent, the chart provides a half-truth. It lumps 3 different funding streams (regular taxes, social security and medicare). Yep, they are all government spending but they are separate. They only accurate way to present it is by 3 different pie charts.

This is why the liars are wrong when they say cutting medicare or SS will reduce the deficit because neither of those affect the deficit directly.

Here is the chart that covers regular spending:



Mandatory and Discretionary Spending

This is how the United States budget allocates $1.11 trillion in discretionary spending in fiscal year 2015. Discretionary spending, which accounts for 29 percent of the total 2015 budget, includes programs whose funding levels are set each year by lawmakers during the appropriations process, including the military, education, job training, and the environment. It does not include earned-benefit programs like Social Security and Medicare. See our Total Spending chart to see how the full $3.84 trillion federal budget will be spent in 2015.

https://www.nationalpriorities.org/budget-basics/federal-budget-101/spending/
 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
31. This chart is also inaccurate . .
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 12:16 PM
Jan 2016

It does not really show how much is spent to assist low income Americans - some funds for this
purpose come in part from Transportation, some from Food & Ag, and some from Housing.

But most importantly, the chart conceals a great deal of military spending - which is
actually on the order of $ 1.3 TRILLION per year.

For example, it is downright deceptive to include spending on nuclear weapons as
spending on "Energy" which the chart (and the government do).

Similarly, a big chunk of Vets benefits are actually the costs of prior wars, and should
be counted as military spending.

And where is payment for interest on the national debt, most of which is also due to
expenses for prior wars?

Veterans For Peace

seabeckind

(1,957 posts)
33. True. The actual source for the expenditures is complicated
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 12:48 PM
Jan 2016

as you point out in the comment.

Most of those aren't inaccuracies in the chart because the chart shows where congress is allocating funds for the discretionary spending. How that particular agency receiving the funds would be found in that agency's budget.

The interest on the debt is not discretionary. It is mandatory and falls into a different category.

Try the link. It is a bit simplistic but offers more information.

Don't get wrapped up in technicalities and miss the forest.

 

liberalnarb

(4,532 posts)
14. The only thing that trickles down...
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 05:37 PM
Jan 2016



The top one is probably one of the most offensive things I've ever read.

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
29. I am looking for the video made in 2010 of a map of the US with all the representative
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 10:09 AM
Jan 2016

dollars falling mostly in to the hands of the 91%. Can someone post that for me? Thanks.

Unknown Beatle

(2,672 posts)
15. That's the PTB using Psyops on the US population.
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 05:37 PM
Jan 2016
Psychological operations (PSYOP) are planned operations to convey selected information and indicators to audiences to influence their emotions, motives, objective reasoning, and ultimately the behavior of governments, organizations, groups, and individuals.
 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
23. If we really put our minds to it, we could probably come up with an entire classroom
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 10:11 PM
Jan 2016

or maybe a small school.

MatthewStLouis

(904 posts)
32. I do love that one.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 12:20 PM
Jan 2016

I know memes are childish and cliche at times, but when your facebook feed is full of them, it's nice to see a few of them contain kernels of truth.


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