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(2,546 posts)63splitwindow
(2,657 posts)[link:|
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)mountain grammy
(26,621 posts)n2doc
(47,953 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)GummyBearz
(2,931 posts)nt
Snobblevitch
(1,958 posts)A small seed company in Minnesota?
mindem
(1,580 posts)it is Northrup Grumman
Snobblevitch
(1,958 posts)BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)...industrial complex/crooks/corruption/con-people, the feeding and help regarding the poor is peanuts.
...and the populace falls for it every time.
Fritz Walter
(4,291 posts)Disappointed? Yep.
Embarrassed? Way-too-often.
Appalled or Disgusted? Yes, to both.
But together, we keep doing whatever it takes.
To get through the day.
To change our government "leadership."
loudsue
(14,087 posts)They are a true scourge on the earth.
Grown2Hate
(2,012 posts)the percentage of taxes that go to assistance vs the percentage that goes into defense and the subsidies referenced here? I'd love to use this on my Director at work. She uses this silly argument (her money going to the "lazy" a LITTLE bit (dips her toes into it anyhow), but she's always very responsive when I combat the sentiment. She's NOT conservative; she's apolitical and I'm slowly but surely working on her.
The problem is I do it in generalities, so I need to be more specific. I'd bring her over to our side with figures. Any help is appreciated, and may get me to sway this non-voter at my work into doing the right thing this time around.
jimmil
(629 posts)No one knows how much the entire defense industry spends. In the 1990s there was something passed by Congress to make the Pentagon audit their books so to speak but it has never been done. Who knows what black projects spend and other defense related expenses under other departments. My bet is the entire amount of taxes collected and everything else is rolled into deficits.
SylviaD
(721 posts)Grown2Hate
(2,012 posts)assure you that she's simply politically ignorant. I don't think she could tell you the difference between a Rethuglican and a Democrat. But one thing that does sway her is facts and figures. Thanks to all that responded!
LittleGirl
(8,287 posts)I didn't start studying politics until 2007 when I had time and no job. I was one of those that didn't know a republican vs a democratic voter. I barely knew who the President was. Seriously, didn't vote after the 1980 election (I voted for Carter) until 2008.
63splitwindow
(2,657 posts)seabeckind
(1,957 posts)In order to cover for the amounts really being spent, the chart provides a half-truth. It lumps 3 different funding streams (regular taxes, social security and medicare). Yep, they are all government spending but they are separate. They only accurate way to present it is by 3 different pie charts.
This is why the liars are wrong when they say cutting medicare or SS will reduce the deficit because neither of those affect the deficit directly.
Here is the chart that covers regular spending:
This is how the United States budget allocates $1.11 trillion in discretionary spending in fiscal year 2015. Discretionary spending, which accounts for 29 percent of the total 2015 budget, includes programs whose funding levels are set each year by lawmakers during the appropriations process, including the military, education, job training, and the environment. It does not include earned-benefit programs like Social Security and Medicare. See our Total Spending chart to see how the full $3.84 trillion federal budget will be spent in 2015.
https://www.nationalpriorities.org/budget-basics/federal-budget-101/spending/
FairWinds
(1,717 posts)It does not really show how much is spent to assist low income Americans - some funds for this
purpose come in part from Transportation, some from Food & Ag, and some from Housing.
But most importantly, the chart conceals a great deal of military spending - which is
actually on the order of $ 1.3 TRILLION per year.
For example, it is downright deceptive to include spending on nuclear weapons as
spending on "Energy" which the chart (and the government do).
Similarly, a big chunk of Vets benefits are actually the costs of prior wars, and should
be counted as military spending.
And where is payment for interest on the national debt, most of which is also due to
expenses for prior wars?
Veterans For Peace
seabeckind
(1,957 posts)as you point out in the comment.
Most of those aren't inaccuracies in the chart because the chart shows where congress is allocating funds for the discretionary spending. How that particular agency receiving the funds would be found in that agency's budget.
The interest on the debt is not discretionary. It is mandatory and falls into a different category.
Try the link. It is a bit simplistic but offers more information.
Don't get wrapped up in technicalities and miss the forest.
63splitwindow
(2,657 posts)liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)The top one is probably one of the most offensive things I've ever read.
DhhD
(4,695 posts)dollars falling mostly in to the hands of the 91%. Can someone post that for me? Thanks.
Mendocino
(7,491 posts)as yellow rain economics.
Unknown Beatle
(2,672 posts)Leith
(7,809 posts)BAM!
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)or maybe a small school.
laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)MatthewStLouis
(904 posts)I know memes are childish and cliche at times, but when your facebook feed is full of them, it's nice to see a few of them contain kernels of truth.