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ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 03:05 PM Jan 2016

Does Freedom of the Press apply to only those people who hold journalism degrees?

Many people, including many very indignant TV personalities, are astonished at Sean Penn's behavior. They have this "how dare he" attitude. Welp, I have to say that I'm seeing a lot of so-called "journalists" who didn't get the story. And they are embarrassed and some are, perhaps, jealous. They're acting as if Sean Penn was encroaching on their territory.

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geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
1. What Penn did wasn't journalism.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 03:09 PM
Jan 2016

He gave El Chapo the right to reject the story before it went to publication. Which is runs counter to everything journalism is supposed to be.

That makes it an obsequious puff piece, not journalism.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
3. I understand what you're saying but, that being the case, what's their problem then? Everyone...
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 03:18 PM
Jan 2016

...does puff pieces all the time and no one gives a whit.

ProfessorGAC

(65,013 posts)
5. While A Valid Point...
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 03:26 PM
Jan 2016

... you don't think that refusing to show it to him might not be a very dangerous thing to do. Then release a version he doesn't like and you end up disappeared.

Given the subject of the interview, i think some caution is prudent.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
6. if you're afraid that the subject will kill you if you print the wrong thing, don't do the interview
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 03:41 PM
Jan 2016

this is a textbook vanity project

ProfessorGAC

(65,013 posts)
9. I'm In Total Agreement
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 03:50 PM
Jan 2016

Definitely a vanity project, but this stuff happened with Capone in 1920's Chicago too. And, those were actual newspaper people and it was real news.

But, i still would have let Capone see it first if he asked. If i'm working on a real exposé then obviously no.

It's just a fact that there are some really ruthless and nasty people out there.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
2. It's like history is owned by the historians.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 03:16 PM
Jan 2016

But, it's not. Nor is journalism. It's democracy in action -- reporting the truth.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
4. Exactly, Octafish. No one is supposed to go on their own and find the truth and then...GASP!!...
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 03:19 PM
Jan 2016

...actually report it to The People.

In the case of El Chapo, though, it seems like embarrassment and jealousy as a result of Penn's accomplishment.

None of what I'm saying though should be construed by anyone as sympathizing with El Chapo.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
12. IOKIYAR
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 07:54 PM
Jan 2016

Like the time when the boss of the New York Stock Exchange -- NYSE -- met FARC #2 guerilla fighter guy:

In the photo below, Richard Grasso (sporty fellow on the left), then-head of the NYSE, gives a nice warm hug to Raul Reyes, (cammo on the right) then-living FARC #2.



The Real Deal: The Ultimate New Business Cold Call

NYSE's Richard Grasso and the Ultimate New Business "Cold Call"

Monday, 18 February 2002, 10:13 am
Column: Catherine Austin Fitts

Lest you think that my comment about the New York Stock Exchange is too strong, let's look at one event that occurred before our "war on drugs" went into high gear through Plan Colombia, banging heads over narco dollar market share in Latin America.

In late June 1999, numerous news services, including Associated Press, reported that Richard Grasso, Chairman of the New York Stock Exchange flew to Colombia to meet with a spokesperson for Raul Reyes of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Columbia (FARC), the supposed "narco terrorists" with whom we are now at war.

The purpose of the trip was "to bring a message of cooperation from U.S. financial services" and to discuss foreign investment and the future role of U.S. businesses in Colombia.

Some reading in between the lines said to me that Grasso's mission related to the continued circulation of cocaine capital through the US financial system. FARC, the Colombian rebels, were circulating their profits back into local development without the assistance of the American banking and investment system. Worse yet for the outlook for the US stock market's strength from $500 billion - $1 trillion in annual money laundering - FARC was calling for the decriminalization of cocaine.

To understand the threat of decriminalization of the drug trade, just go back to your Sam and Dave estimate and recalculate the numbers given what decriminalization does to drive BIG PERCENT back to SLIM PERCENT and what that means to Wall Street and Washington's cash flows. No narco dollars, no reinvestment into the stock markets, no campaign contributions.

It was only a few days after Grasso's trip that BBC News reported a General Accounting Office (GAO) report to Congress as saying: "Colombia's cocaine and heroin production is set to rise by as much as 50 percent as the U.S. backed drug war flounders, due largely to the growing strength of Marxist rebels"

CONTINUED...

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0202/S00069.htm

When it comes to making BIG money, Mexico and Columbia are wicked awesome!

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
10. Tangentially, not sure Lara Logan or Megyn Kelly have journalism degrees.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 03:59 PM
Jan 2016

They are members of the Establishment Cheerleaders.

Viewed in light reflected from real journalistic successes, their collective experience underwhelms, which is why they likely scorn activity which is a product of the very endeavor from which they draw credibility, fake and lame though it may be.

Kind of like Hillary Duff (I know, right, "who? who's Hillary Duff?" - Flock of Dudes, She Wants Me, Foodfight!, Stay Cool) dissing thrice-nominated-once-Oscar-winning actress Faye Dunaway (The Thomas Crown Affair, Bonnie & Clyde, Chinatown, Network, and Mommie Dearest):

During a break from filming a guest spot on the set of Ghost Whisperer, Duff told E!'s Daily 10, "I think that my fans that are going to go see the movie don't even know who she is,"


http://www.eonline.com/news/82113/hilary-duff-disses-faye-dunaway

(I know, the jokes write themselves here.)

onecaliberal

(32,854 posts)
11. These so called indignant people don't give two shits about the people that are supposedly
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 04:31 PM
Jan 2016

telling them what's going on in this country, but instead are complicit in the corporate propaganda they spread far and wide each day. The number of people chasing squirrels instead of watching the ball in this country never ceases to amaze me.

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