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DOW currently down -520 points. Down over 2000 since Jan 4. The... (Original Post) ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 OP
Only the house knows. Rex Jan 2016 #1
This sounds like a good time for a lecture on the virtues of 401K plans... Orrex Jan 2016 #2
Where do you think most pensions are invested? Travis_0004 Jan 2016 #5
Your question implies that I don't know, which is incorrect and absurd. Orrex Jan 2016 #6
Perhaps, but you haven't demonstrated evidence of it Major Nikon Jan 2016 #21
Every major private and public pension system is heavily invested in the stock market hack89 Jan 2016 #8
Yes, I know. Orrex Jan 2016 #12
pulled mine out last week FreakinDJ Jan 2016 #10
I think this is just a correction. Rybak187 Jan 2016 #3
Let's hope so. KamaAina Jan 2016 #17
Ironically the reason for the collapse is the GOP "drill, baby drill" ideology Major Nikon Jan 2016 #23
It was over 18,000 back in July. I hope these wall street banksters feel the Bern! B Calm Jan 2016 #4
Buying opportunity. NT Elmergantry Jan 2016 #7
Absolutely, Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #15
Nah There are a lot of people like me. Elmergantry Jan 2016 #18
Its oil prices dropping and Asia not having the best time right now. phleshdef Jan 2016 #9
At 14700 we're officially in a bear market, still have some room to fall davekriss Jan 2016 #11
Who know? Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #13
It's a reaction to Asia edhopper Jan 2016 #14
I have five more years to work before thinking of retiring...no point in panicing brooklynite Jan 2016 #16
amen. eom Ligyron Jan 2016 #19
Correction nadinbrzezinski Jan 2016 #20
Reality check whatthehey Jan 2016 #22
Oil is plummeting and the banks heavily invested in the industry. Dawson Leery Jan 2016 #24

Orrex

(63,209 posts)
2. This sounds like a good time for a lecture on the virtues of 401K plans...
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 01:41 PM
Jan 2016

along with a healthy dose of scolding for all those private citizens irresponsible enough not to be market-savvy investment geniuses with a glut of disposable income.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
21. Perhaps, but you haven't demonstrated evidence of it
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 03:09 PM
Jan 2016

The biggest difference between a defined benefit pension plan and a defined contribution plan is who gets to manage the investments.

A better question might be, what makes defined benefit pension plans better in regards to market fluctuations?

hack89

(39,171 posts)
8. Every major private and public pension system is heavily invested in the stock market
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 01:46 PM
Jan 2016

it is the only way they make economic sense.

Rybak187

(105 posts)
3. I think this is just a correction.
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 01:43 PM
Jan 2016

The collapse will hold off until the end of this year or the beginning of next year.

 

Elmergantry

(884 posts)
18. Nah There are a lot of people like me.
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 02:30 PM
Jan 2016

I live pc to pc for the most part, but a little piece of my earnings goes into stock via 401K...

davekriss

(4,616 posts)
11. At 14700 we're officially in a bear market, still have some room to fall
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 01:57 PM
Jan 2016

But my guess is it will fall (presenting a super buy opportunity for those with cash). All signs point to recession. The collapse of stock values will only cement the reality.

At least this is my uniformed, lay opinion. No one should base an investment decision on these remarks. I have a long, wonderfully negative investment track record.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
13. Who know?
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 02:02 PM
Jan 2016

The stock market, as it is currently regulated, is more a shared delusion than an economic engine. As long as everyone believes, things are fine, but it doesn't take many people bolting to cause a full scale panic.

The banks are heavily invested in oil ventures since, you know, oil prices were going to rise forever, like real estate prices did. And with all of those loans going sour, and China's economy imploding, things are going to get ugly, just in time to blame Obama for it all.

edhopper

(33,576 posts)
14. It's a reaction to Asia
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 02:04 PM
Jan 2016

and specifically China. Probably an over reaction.

The US Economy is strong and earning reports have been good.

Might be a good time to buy at a low.

brooklynite

(94,543 posts)
16. I have five more years to work before thinking of retiring...no point in panicing
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 02:06 PM
Jan 2016

We continue to methodically invest in a balanced set of equities, bonds and CDs.

Market goes up: they're more valuable.

Market goes down: they're cheaper to buy.

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
22. Reality check
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 03:12 PM
Jan 2016

At the end of 2013 - a gnat's hair more than 2 years ago - the markets were celebrating their best year in over a decade and the bulls were celebrating.

The broader indexes were lower than they are now, and the DJIA wasn't much higher.

I remember people saying then it would collapse soon and I was a fool to buy so high. Now they are still telling me it will collapse, but because the same numbers are so low.

Me? I just trust DCA, with over a century of good evidence why.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
24. Oil is plummeting and the banks heavily invested in the industry.
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 03:16 PM
Jan 2016

Lots of junk bonds are going under.

The big bank stocks are down 10% or more because of this.

So far this seems contained. Consumer spending and non-oil manufacturing as well as healthcare and service sectors are doing just fine.

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