Her Husband Cut Off Her Nose When She Protested His Decision To Marry A Child

[leftynyc]

Update: More details have emerged about the young woman who had her nose cut off by her husband in Afghanistan, The New York Times and the Afghanistan Independent Human Rights Commission report.

Reza Gul, 20, was attacked by her husband on Sunday after arguing with him over his decision to take a 6- or 7-year-old niece as his fiancée, Gul's mother, Zarghona, told the Times. Gul's husband, Muhammad Khan, 25, then allegedly cut off her nose with a knife. Khan and his family had beaten and abused Gul throughout her six-year marriage, Zarghona added.

Gul brought her severed nose with her to the hospital on Monday and had already lost a lot of blood, according to hospital officials. But the local Afghan facility was not equipped to reattach her nose. Gul is seeking to travel to Turkey to have reconstructive surgery, according to the the Times. A police official told the Times that the Taliban had arrested Khan and is holding him in custody.


http://news.yahoo.com/tragic-abuse-still-happening-women-181500064.html


I don't even know what to say here that wouldn't get me banned.

[KamaAina]

1. To spite his face?

[XemaSab]

2. Barbarians

n/t

[Aerows]

5. You nailed it

Barbarians.

[pnwmom]

32. Are you suggesting Bill should have declared war on the Taliban?

Bernie wouldn't have.

[Aerows]

43. LiberalArkie is stating facts.

I didn't gather a shred of innuendo in LA's post - LA relayed what is an acknowledged reality.

[kaiden]

54. The Buddhas were blown up in March 2001

when George Bush was president.

[Rex]

3. I am surprised he was arrested.

A 6 year old!? Sounds like Khan is a sick bastard, she should flee and never look back imo.

[Aerows]

4. I can't think of anything to say that wouldn't get me banned, either

Disgusting, horrible, cruel all I can do is throw out adjectives.

[smirkymonkey]

26. Neither can I - what on earth is wrong with these sick fucks!

Not only did he do something horrible to his poor wife (whom, from the photo, looks like she was also the mother of his child) he wanted to rape an effing 6 year old!!! Scum of the earth!

[Aerows]

41. Nutjobs.

I can't fathom doing something like that. Any decent human being, I think, with the statement "What these people are doing is wrong."

[snooper2]

6. I don't know why you are posting this crap here, we are to RESPECT THEIR CULTURE!

Damn Americans and Europeans trying to enforce Western values on their sacred way of life!

[lpbk2713]

19. Ow!!

It looks like someone put adhesive tape directly over her nose. That
will hurt and probably cause a lot of bleeding when it is removed.

[leftynyc]

47. I suspect there

are bandages under that tape. While it's hard to even look at the picture, I'm pretty sure I see bandages.

[lpbk2713]

78. I agree.

On closer exam it looks like the caregiver put a piece of wide tape over
a piece of gauze and shaped it with scissors to leave it high on the bridge
of her nose and low at her eyes so she could see.

[EX500rider]

7. "A police official told the Times that the Taliban had arrested..."

Wow, even the Taliban wasn't OK with that....color me surprised...

[leftynyc]

9. I guess shooting girls wanting

an education is okay (or throwing acid at them) but this isn't. Plus, the day I believe anything the taliban has to say, just order the butterfly net.

[Aerows]

44. But you have to get their permission first

The people under the Taliban likely need an okay for so much as blowing their nose. It is a damn tragedy.

[Marrah_G]

12. They might have arrested him but he probably will do little to no time for it

[TipTok]

16. The concept of jail doesn't exist in that culture the way it does in the west...

[Marrah_G]

22. True, very true

The justice system is very different and there is no justice for women to be found there. I'm trying to remember the name of a documentary...it was something like "kabul love stories" or something like that. Women are jailed simply for running away from an abusive husband.

[TipTok]

25. It's more about making it 'right'...

Someone gets killed so the family is owed money or blood or goats or whatever...

I've got experience out the ears with those folks and it is just utterly and completely depressing.

[arcane1]

31. Me too, I honestly didn't expect that.

[Xithras]

90. Taliban sharia doesn't allow men to arbitrarily kill or permanently maim their wives.

The Taliban version of sharia is harsh, but it sets very clear boundaries for men when it comes to their wives. Any man can BEAT his wife for nearly anything, and he can deny her a bed...but that's about the extent of his authority. If a husband believes that his wife has committed an offense requiring a greater punishment, he must take her to the local mullah (or council), make an accusation against her, and let the mullah judge her according to sharia law. Any punishment beyond a beating MUST be ordered by a mullah or a council of elders.

Just to be clear about this: It is entirely possible for a mullah to declare that a woman should be maimed or executed, and to allow her husband to carry out the "punishment". When you hear about husbands killing their wives or throwing acid on them, this is nearly always what has happened. The husband took it to the mullah, the mullah said "maim her", and the husband complied.

When he cut off her nose out of anger, without first running it by the local mullah, he permanently maimed a person who had committed no offense under Taliban law. That makes him a criminal. Under their law, they'll likely maim him in some way as punishment.


It's important to point out that the Taliban version of sharia isn't universal. The Taliban require that judgements be handed down from mullahs. Iranian and Saudi sharia require the same thing. The version of sharia practiced in Somalia, the Islamic State, and IS affiliated groups do NOT require a mullah to be involved. In those areas, husbands are free to maim, rape and murder their wives at will.

[leftynyc]

113. Your post is absolutely chilling

That a husband (and presumably a father) has that kind of power over their wives makes me want to vomit - as a woman, the thought of that - and that a religious figure would "order" the husband to maim his wife for ANYTHING is simply nauseating. I don't WANT to understand a culture that would do that - I only want to shun, condemn and make it clear I consider them uncivilized. I know to some that makes me a right winger.

[Nye Bevan]

8. But the US is just as bad,

because someone refused to bake a cake for a gay wedding.

[leftynyc]

10. I suspect the

usual suspects will stay away from this story. Even they aren't foolish enough to try bullshit like that on this story.

[meforbernie]

14. I don't see anyone saying that. That is your imagination.

People have problems with banning ALL muslim immigrants based on what the taliban does, but they don't defend extremist muslims.

For one thing discriminating against all muslim immigrants because of the talibans means we can't allow this women to immigrate to the USA to escape this garbage.

The discrimination against ALL muslims is also being used to keep Syrian victims of ISIS from immigrating to the West.

If you have such empathy for this women, why do you want to ban her from immigrating to a western country? I don't get that.

[leftynyc]

48. You, with your 37 posts,

don't look like you're been here long enough to have see what the rest of us have. Just with what happened in Cologne - first we got doses of "if the women are to be believed", then it was everyone responsible EXCEPT for the refugees and migrants, then it was deflection, downplaying, trying to claim we have roving bands of rapists in the US as an everyday happening. We have EXCELLENT reason to assume they would try it as many times as they could get away with it.

[leftynyc]

60. Bullshit

NOBODY here called for ZERO immigration from Muslim countries. Just more rigorous screening than they have in Europe. Anyone against that is a moron.

[grossproffit]

65. Notice their posts thus far.

[leftynyc]

66. Their problem is them

thinking we're stupid.

[hughee99]

46. I'll bet Noam Chomsky has weighed in on this, or something similar, to either explain why

the US is worse OR this is the US's fault.

[killbotfactory]

84. We funded the mujahadeen. We made a movie about it called 'Charlie Wilson's War'

But we sure gave a black eye to those soviets! lol!

[hughee99]

89. So that's why this woman lost her nose, because of US intervention in the 80's?

[killbotfactory]

91. Toppling governments and allowing patriarchal islamic jihadists to take over is bad.

I wish we would stop doing it.

[killbotfactory]

83. This was Afghanistan in the 70's

I wonder what happened between then and now?

Nevermind. Best not to think about it.

[Nye Bevan]

85. No need to wonder.

In the fall of 1994 a group called the Taliban came forth vowing to cleanse the nation of warlords and criminals. Their intention was to create a "pure" Islamic government subject to their own strict interpretations of the Shariah. Many Pakistani politicians supported the Taliban, including Sami ul Haq who is regarded as the Father of the Taliban. A number of its leaders were one-time mujahideen members, but the bulk of their forces were young Afghan refugees trained in Pakistani madrassas (religious schools), especially those run by the Jamiat-e Ulema-e Islam Pakistan, the aggressively conservative Pakistani political religious party headed by Maulana Fazlur Rahman, arch rival of Qazi Hussain Ahmad, leader of the equally conservative Jamaat-e-Islami and longtime supporter of the mujahideen.

Headquartered in Kandahar, mostly Pashtuns from the rural areas, and from the top leadership down to the fighting militia characteristically in their thirties or forties and even younger, the Taliban swept the country. In September 1996 they captured Kabul and ruled over most of Afghanistan by 2001. The meteoric take over went almost unchallenged. Arms were collected and security was established. At the same time, acts committed for the purpose of enforcing the Shariah included public executions of murderers, stoning for adultery, amputation for theft, a ban on all forms of gambling such as kite flying, chess and cockfights, prohibition of music and videos, proscriptions against pictures of humans and animals, and an embargo on women's voices over the radio. Women were to remain as invisible as possible, behind the veil, in purdah in their homes, and dismissed from work or study outside their homes. They were toppled by a combined Afghan-NATO military force in late 2001. Majority of them escaped to neighboring Pakistan from where they launched insurgency against the current NATO-backed Afghan government. Peace negotiations between the Taliban and the Afghan government is ongoing as of 2013.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Afghanistan

[killbotfactory]

86. Wow. Where did that power vaccuum come from that the Taliban exploited?

It's reassuring to know that US hands are clean in all this.

[hughee99]

87. I hate to say it, but what does the Taliban have to do with this?

This wasn't even acceptable by THEIR standards.

[Nye Bevan]

88. Wikipedia is your friend!

The Soviet invasion and the Iranian Revolution not only led national uprisings but also the importation of foreign radical Muslims to Afghanistan. The mujahideen leaders were charismatic figures with dyadic ties to followers. In many cases military and political leaders replaced the tribal leadership; at times the religious leadership was strengthened; often the religious combined with the political leadership. Followers selected their local leaders on the basis of personal choice and precedence among regions, sects, ethnic groups or tribes, but the major leaders rose to prominence through their ties to outsiders who controlled the resources of money and arms.

With the support of foreign aid, the mujahideen were ultimately successful in their jihad to drive out the Soviet forces, but not in their attempts to construct a political alternative to govern Afghanistan after their victory. Throughout the war, the mujahideen were never fully able to replace traditional structures with a modern political system based on Islam. Most mujahideen commanders either used traditional patterns of power, becoming the new khans, or sought to adapt modern political structures to the traditional society. In time the prominent leaders accumulated wealth and power and, in contrast to the past, wealth became a determining factor in the delineation of power at all levels.

With the departure of foreign troops and the long sought demise of Kabul's leftist government, The Islamic State of Afghanistan finally came into being in April 1992. This represented a distinct break with Afghan history, for religious specialists had never before exercised state power. But the new government failed to establish its legitimacy and, as much of its financial support dissipated, local and middle range commanders and their militia not only fought among themselves but resorted to a host of unacceptable practices in their protracted scrambles for power and profit. Throughout the nation the populous suffered from harassment, extortion, kidnapping, burglary, hijacking and acts dishonoring women. Drug trafficking increased alarmingly; nowhere were the highways safe. The mujahideen had forfeited the trust they once enjoyed.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Afghanistan

[killbotfactory]

92. "With the support of foreign aid, the mujahideen were ultimately successful"

lol, glad that wasn't the US or our allies.

oh wait...

The supplying of billions of dollars in arms to the Afghan mujahideen militants was one of the CIA's longest and most expensive covert operations.[5] The CIA provided assistance to the fundamentalist insurgents through the Pakistani secret services, Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), in a program called Operation Cyclone. At least 3 billion in U.S. dollars were funneled into the country to train and equip troops with weapons. Together with similar programs by Saudi Arabia, Britain's MI6 and SAS, Egypt, Iran, and the People's Republic of China,[6] the arms included Stinger missiles, shoulder-fired, antiaircraft weapons that they used against Soviet helicopters. Pakistan's secret service, Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), was used as an intermediary for most of these activities to disguise the sources of support for the resistance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_Afghanistan

but what's a few billion dollars really worth, anyway?

[Nye Bevan]

93. Ah yes, the "Carter Doctrine".

By mid-1979, the United States had started a covert program to finance the mujahideen.[5] President Carter's National Security Adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski, was later quoted as saying that the goal of the program was to "induce a Soviet military intervention",[6][7] but later clarified that this was "a very sensationalized and abbreviated" misquotation and that the Soviet invasion occurred largely because of previous U.S. failures to restrain Soviet influence.[8][9] According to Eric Alterman, writing in The Nation, Cyrus Vance's close aide Marshall Shulman "insists that the State Department worked hard to dissuade the Soviets from invading and would never have undertaken a program to encourage it, though he says he was unaware of the covert program at the time. Indeed, Vance hardly seems to be represented at all in Gates' recounting".[10]
.....
After the invasion, President Jimmy Carter announced what became known as the Carter Doctrine: that the U.S. would not allow any other outside force to gain control of the Persian Gulf. He terminated the Soviet Wheat Deal in January 1980, which was intended to establish trade with USSR and lessen Cold War tensions. The grain exports had been beneficial to people employed in agriculture, and the Carter embargo marked the beginning of hardship for American farmers. That same year, Carter also made two of the most unpopular decisions of his entire Presidency: prohibiting American athletes from participating in the 1980 Summer Olympics in Moscow, and reinstating registration for the draft for young males. Following the Soviet invasion, the United States supported diplomatic efforts to achieve a Soviet withdrawal.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone

[killbotfactory]

94. Glad that worked out well for everyone involved. nt

[Nye Bevan]

95. Jimmy Carter is a good man,

but as president, he made some questionable decisions.

[Initech]

98. CIA overthrew the government and established a fundamentalist regime?

[JI7]

107. that was NOT the norm in Afghanistan in the 70s , the shit going on now with women happened

even before.

[killbotfactory]

109. Yes, this was mostly in urban areas, but it was trying to modernize the country

The rural parts rejected all this womens rights crap. Guess which side we side we and our allies gave few billions dollars of weapons and aid to.

[JI7]

111. i agree there were some good leaders who really did want to improve things

there is old video and pics of eisenhower stopping by there before going to india . and new video was found by an american who worked there to build some infrastructure. one big difference is while there were still huge cultural differences there wasn't the same kind of danger as there is now.

people were different but it didn't mean their lives were at risk. the american workers even brought their families and they had christmas parties and women wore dresses as they would in the US.

but afghanistan was one of the places where the cold war was fought in a not so "cold" war but the usual way. Somalia also.

[Arugula Latte]

11. Men -- what the fuck?

Why are so many men so evil and violent and controlling?

And stupid religion makes everything worse and justifies shit like this.

[2naSalit]

13. ^^^THIS^^^

[B Calm]

17. Grouping all men? Women have been known to cut off a penis.

[Arugula Latte]

20. You saw the part where I said "so many men"?

I knew someone would point out a rare act to try to undercut the argument that huge numbers of men the world over are violent and controlling. Ask any woman her stories, even here in the USA. I will guarantee you there's not a female out there who doesn't have at least one story of harassment, groping, being chased, attacked, and/or raped by men. Personally I have several anecdotes.

Not all men are violent and controlling toward women. But a lot. A LOT. Look at comments on the Internet and see how many male voices are singlemindedly devoted to silencing and intimidating women. And of course "real life" is even worse.

Oh, one time I had a schizophrenic homeless woman scream at me, so I guess that makes women equally likely to be violent and controlling, huh?

We have an abundance of rape and violence against women in this country and on this Earth, though it's almost never treated as a civil rights or human rights issue, or a crisis, or even a pattern. Violence doesn't have a race, a class, a religion, or a nationality, but it does have a gender. ~ Rebecca Solnit

On edit: This is just one example from today of men trying to intimidate, control, and shut women up. This shit is everywhere.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027547949

[smirkymonkey]

27. It's the sheer number of men that behave violently and hatefully toward women that is so

depressing. Can you find female outliers, sure if you really try. However they are extremely rare. Women are not nearly as hateful toward men as men are toward women as a whole. And no, complaining about sexism isn't hateful, it's reality and its about trying to take our voices back.

[Arugula Latte]

35. I agree totally.

Why do so many men just plain despise and hate women and think they have the right to control and hurt them just because they were born a different gender? It is mind boggling to me.

[smirkymonkey]

36. I would love to hear some enlightened men try to explain it to us. If someone really doesn't matter

to you, you are indifferent toward them. You aren't interested enough in them to hate them. Why are women such a threat to men?
I would really like to hear some theories. Because it seems like the more power that women get over their own lives, the more men hate them. Why is that?

[sibelian]

99. I think the problem mostly comes in their expectations of relationship

Some guys get very confused about what they can expect out of their lives. Particularly if they come from backgrounds where they are the golden boy. If they don't face trials young they think they're just supposed to get everything. It's a problem in the cultural over-signification of masculine values.

[smirkymonkey]

100. Thank you. I appreciate your response. But is that the reason for so much hate?

Maybe you are right, if they are denied I suppose it creates rage. Why so little empathy though?

[sibelian]

102. They don't need empathy! They get what they want just by being male, basically.

To some extent they naturally fit the standard cartoonish male tropes from an early age and so they are perceived as acceptable to society and their immediately surrounding social landscape by default. They never learn the necessity of empathy because they never get any negative feedback until their personalities are already too well developed for them to accept criticism. Other men who don't necessarily fit (and I think this is really the majority of men...) have to work for their acceptability to society and learn that if they haven't a naturally empathic personality they have to at least make an effort to learn to be empathic or they aren't worth shit, so they learn reciprocity, acceptance and working for their wholesomeness. They grow up, basically. Naturally empathic men are typically considered slightly off-base for being too soft, but at least they aren't dicks and people will accept that about them, so they don't end up being abusers either, mostly because they (gasp!) feel bad about hurting people.

Non-empathic women aren't surreptitiously supported by the same kind of structures at all, because women are expected to be empathic, a woman that doesn't give a fuck about anyone stands out from a much earlier age as being outside the acceptable range of tropes and they learn either to get with the programme or find ways of circumventing the socialisation process in ways that are awkward to analyse. Violence and overt abuse is rarely their tactic. That's why it's asymmetrical.

So yeah. Macho Guy is Good Guy. And once he needs to actually BE the Good Guy by doing actually good stuff he starts to freak out because someone's taken away his lollipop.

I realise from some perspectives this all sounds awfully sexist... but my defence of myself in that regard is that any description of male and female tropes is going to look sexist by the simple process of men and women being perceived differently... I hope that makes sense...

[smirkymonkey]

103. Yes, it does. Kind of depressing but thank you for your explanation.

It helps to know what goes on in the male mind and I appreciate you answering without defensiveness. Thanks and have a good evening!

[sibelian]

104. Nae bother.

[hifiguy]

38. This.

"But who are we to criticize another culture?"

I don't know which part of this story is sicker.

[Monk06]

37. When God is a man all men are Gods That is why Christianity and Islam are two sides of the same

evil coin The same could be said for Hasidic Judaism and Amritdhari Sikhs

Severe and punitive partiarchal dominance of women are common to all the conservative sects of these religions

As for Japan Bushido is also patriarchal but isn't a religion per se

[leftynyc]

49. No, sorry

but there is nothing comparable to this happening in Christianity. You will notice they claim there was an arrest for the cutting off her nose, but nothing about what prompted it - he wanted to buy and rape another wife - a six year old wife. I simply cannot allow you to claim "we're just the same" without calling COMPLETE bullshit to that.

[TipTok]

59. It's amazing how the various religions will argue about who is the worst...

Yeah well Islam rapes and kills all the time and Christians only rape a little and we haven't had a genocide forever so we are obviously better...

Say what?!

Talk about a race to the bottom...

[leftynyc]

61. I'm not a Christian so

I have horse in the race to the bottom. What I will not watch without screaming is those who want to claim THIS is happening in Christian countries. Any women with an ounce of honesty to her name would cringe at the thought of living under sharia law.

[TipTok]

63. Meh...

It's like arguing rape vs murder and which one is worse...

They're both awful...

[leftynyc]

64. Are you a woman?

If so, would you rather be living in a majority Christian country or a country under sharia law?

[TipTok]

67. I'm not...

... But f you'd ask if I'd rather be raped or murdered, I know which one I would choose but frankly both are unappealing in the extreme.

[leftynyc]

114. I'm asking you a very simple question

If you were a woman - and if that's too much of a stretch to imagine - where would you want your mother, sister or daughter to live - in a ANY majority Christian country or in a country ruled by sharia?

[TipTok]

116. Still arguing who is the least awful and controlling?

Congrats...

[leftynyc]

117. You have already

answered the question by your deflection. Noted.

[Monk06]

62. Are you serious? Child rape among fundamentalist mormons, child abuse including torture and

and starvation among fringe christian sects who believe in faith healing. Historically the record of christian barbarity is even worse, the genocide of the Caribs by the Columbus brothers in Hispaniola, cannibalism against the moslems by the Franks at the battle of Ma'arra during the first Crusade (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Ma%27arra#Cannibalism), the Spanish Inquisition and countless pogroms against Jews

Christianity is drenched in the blood of innocents and non christians

[smirkymonkey]

80. Oh ffs! Not this shit again!

[Monk06]

81. What shit is that? The most dangerous development in world affairs is the resurgence of the

power of "God is a Dude" religions

I would think you would be in agreement with that

[smirkymonkey]

82. Dragging up Christian offenses from centuries ago and comparing them to modern Islam.

[Monk06]

96. Uganda is trying to institute the death penalty for gays and Russia has statutes on the books

that outlaw promotion of homosexuality or even discussion of gay issues. If you discuss gay issues with minors you go to jail. Those instances of Christian intolerance are not ancient history.

And why is Christian history of conflict with Islam not pertanent to a discussion of modern Isam? That would be an odd way of looking at Western/Islamic geopolitics

I'm not sure what point you are making and you don't seem to be interested in mine so..

End of discussion

[malaise]

51. Whihc stupid religion?

There are nasty disgusting pedophiles everywhere -some raping their children, their nieces and nephews, their kids friends, foster kids or they just grab somebody's child. Why do I never hear the word religion associated with these scumbags in the West?

I'd like to see all laws changed to stop child marriages but let's stop pretending that our societies are the standard of decency. Women and children are victims everywhere.

Cut off his fugging dick, let's see where he finds power.

[NightWatcher]

15. She should lop off his wang and I bet he'll no longer want to marry young girls

Just sayin

[Lizzie Poppet]

18. If the Taliban end up taking a crime against a woman seriously...

...and that's a very big "if" (but the fact that they even arrested him may be telling), this shithead could get his own nose cut off...at the neck.

Not a capital punishment supporter, but damn if I'm not tempted.

[romanic]

21. It's just part of their culture.

[temporary311]

23. Women from many of these countries

should be granted automatic asylum should they seek it. Should probably be the case for LGBTs, atheists, and so called "apostates," too.

[smirkymonkey]

28. I agree. I am all for letting the women and children in. It's the men and their attitudes toward

women that I have a serious problem with.

[romanic]

29. Agreed.

Leave the straight men with their fucked up views to fight for their country (and their ignorance as well).

[hifiguy]

39. With any luck they will all kill each other.

Or at least the crazier ones will.

[smirkymonkey]

110. If only!

[leftynyc]

50. 100% agreement

If you can't arm all the women, bring them here. This is true for most women but we can't forget one of the San Bernadino shooters was a woman.

[Initech]

24. That might be the single most fucked up thing I've ever seen.

And that's saying a lot.

[Warpy]

34. When the Taliban arrests you for extreme cruelty toward a wife

you have to know you're not hearing the worst of the story.

I hope Gul can have the surgery, divorce the piece of shit, and go on to a reasonable life. Rotting in a Taliban prison is too good for him.

[Warren DeMontague]

40. "it's important that we not judge these peoples' culture, harumph parumph"

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to write a 500 page jargon-laden treatise complaining about the fact that it's legal in the united states to publish magazines with pictures of attractive women in bathing suits. What is wrong, with our sick pornified culture, amirite!?!?!?!

[JI7]

42. this is one reason i support UK wanting to require muslim women to learn english

[Recursion]

52. People overlook your point, but it's a very good one (nt)

[JI7]

108. i think most would want to learn it themselves

but requiring it would help with those cases which we always hear end up in honor killings and other things from the old country.

if women knew they would actually get help unlike the countries they came from it would help a lot .

[Dorian Gray]

45. He's a monster

and deserves a terrible horrible death.

[lonestarnot]

53. When she gets all done with medical, she may want to enroll in a Lorena Bobbitt course.

[Fast Walker 52]

58. haha! That would be fitting

[Ilsa]

55. pedophile. he married wife 1 when she was 14.

Now that she's 20, he wants a long engagement to a little girl, to marry after menarche. To me, he sounds like a pedophile.

[NCTraveler]

57. Sick, barbaric, knuckle dragging fucks.

1) Someone has already mentioned women cutting of men's dicks. I have no respect for that being interjected and in this instance would define it as disarming a terrorist.

2) Some have made comments along the lines of "wow, even the Taliban arrested him." While the Taliban leadership likes to be the one issuing the abuse and terror against women, they will determine this falls in line with what their punishment would have been, give him a solid lash, then tell him to go get his rightful seven year old property. He will fuck and beat her for years, and determine she is defective when she doesn't get pregnant.

3) We should be a beacon of hope for all women and oppressed groups across the globe. PP and the HRC are currently under attack from our own kinder and gentler Taliban. People getting shot, politicians disparaging them and attempting to take their money, blocking access to healthcare, and more. We must unite around women's organizations right here at home. Our standards are recognized around the world. This is agreed upon as we drop bombs across the globe, it should also be agreed upon in our fight for human rights.

[Bluenorthwest]

68. Human Rights Campaign is not under attack and they are not synonymous with 'LGBT people' who are

under attack. Perhaps you are not aware of some of the reasons HRC is not universally liked in the LGBT community? They have been known to endorse Republicans with no history of supporting LGBT over Democratic supporters of equality. That's bad.
The supported D'Amato, who is anti choice and opposed to Affirmative Action. In my world, LGBT include women and minority persons, and their issues are our isssues, period, no half measures. HRC does not agree with me on that. Clearly.
In 2007 HRC in a most mealy mouthed betrayal of the 'T' in our acronym gave support to the Non Inclusive ENDA, which left the transgender community unprotected, it excluded them from the law meant to protect us all. For some of us, who support the transgender community that was a huge and irreparable wrong.

So, they have sided with anti-choice, racist politicians, with Republicans over Democrats and they were eager to exclude the transgender community from the ENDA which we had fought for, we meaning LGB and T. Exclude my trans brothers and sisters and you are never going to have my trust or support.

So that's why some of us see them as too staid, too conservative, too willing to sell out their own transgender and African American members, who don't much care about the rights of their women members that are not priorities for the men.

I won't send money to people who will give it to Republicans, who will give it to anti choice persons, nor to those who think the transgender community is worthy of dismissal and exclusion. You seem to think all of that is dandy fine from your point of view. Care to explain?

[NCTraveler]

69. They are under full assault from the right.

That is a fact and well known.

[Bluenorthwest]

70. So that's all you have to say in repsonse,you who claim Bernie is attacking those groups?

Do you know how dismissive that is? Not a word about the actual facts on hand? No concern that you are conflating a community with an organization that does not even support that whole community? Privilege soaked verbiage is your forte.

[NCTraveler]

71. Yes, that is what I have to say.

It is a well known fact they have been under attack from the right for a long time. They are currently under attack from the right. Next year the right will still be attacking them. I don't play the petty game of discrediting them because their record isn't flawless. I support them. It's an absolute shame that supporting the HRC on DU is questioned. Have at it.

[Bluenorthwest]

72. So when you are told by a minority member that you are being exploitative and inaccurate you figure

you know better so there is no reason to discuss? You are conflating LGBT people with that organization which not all of us support and which does not support all of us. They support Republicans at times, I do not. They support racists and anti choice misogynists, I do not. They betrayed the transgender community, and those are my friends.

I get that you lack the ability to actually discuss HRC, that's why your use of then is purely exploitative. What's next, you going to tell me I have Stockholm Syndrome? These comments about HRC are very much up that dark alley. I called him out, now I call you out.

If you can't be bothered to learn about a subject, just don't take that up as the theme of your Sermon.

[NCTraveler]

74. Have at it.

Myself currently with PP and the HRC:

The rights wishes for PP and the HRC:

Simple fact, the right hates them. Simply no disputing that. I won't get into the whole nuanced "not good enough" argument. As I said, have at it.

[Bluenorthwest]

73. I'm a gay man, HRC is in my community. How about you? What is your standing to lecture LGBT on

our own issues? Are you not just some straight person yammering away about a community you are not a part of? You shout 'HRC' purely for your momentary electoral needs, you never ever post about that organization or other LGBT organizations, you never talk about your own history of activism on our behalf. You just pick up that group and use it to bash away at LGBT who won't do as you command. It's nasty.

[NCTraveler]

75. One hundred percent false, conversation over.

" you never ever post about that organization or other LGBT organizations, you never talk about your own history of activism on our behalf."

Attack me all you want. To me it's about fighting for equality.

[BainsBane]

106. Everyone knows Bernie is more important

Than reproductive rights or any civil rights group. He says the organization that provides poor and under serviced women with medical care is establishment because they fail to recognize his superiority, then it must be true. If he keeps the Hyde amendment in tact in his single payer bill, who are we to question or criticize? Anything Bernie says or does is perfect, and anyone he criticizes or ignores too inconsequential to matter. Thank goodness we have a politician who has been in DC for 25 years reminding the subaltern and groups that try fight for our rights how we are pawns of Wall Street for refusing to recognize the inherent superiority of Bernie. So the women served by PP will never approach the three figure income he has benefited from for decades. So what if they can barely put food on the table, if the right is dedicated to reducing women to second class citizenship by refusing them autonomy over their own bodies. So what if Bernie "progressives" have joined their efforts to defund PP and with it the only reproductive healthcare available to women throughout great swaths of the US. Those wimenz are establishment, corrupt and a blight on America for refusing to recognize that Bernie's campaign comes first.

You of course aren't afflicted with such establishment leanings because you know what really matters. I thank you for so forcefully articulating priorities. I might have gone through life thinking equal rights and organizations that have fought for them for as long as 100 years might actually have been more important than a single politician's career if not for your admonition. I stand dully chastened.

That Bernie twice misstated the name of the Human Rights Campaign might suggest to some that he doesn't have familiarity of critiques of the organization within the LBGT community, and he simply dismissed it, as he did PP, out of anger for failing to endorse him. That, however, is not germane to the only issue and cause that matters: Bernie. #feelthebern #downwiththeoligaychy of reproductive rights and establishment LGBT organizations.

[TexasMommaWithAHat]

79. As long as men can take more than one wife

patriarchy will reign in these countries.

Period.

Islam with its multiple wives is antithetical to women's rights, and anyone who claims otherwise is a fool.

[Liberal_in_LA]

97. God help us

[MrWendel]

101. Well...

removing his junk sounds fair and poetic.

[leftynyc]

105. But that's not going to happen

We both know this.

[hifiguy]

112. It is one of history's weirder ironies that the only muslim majority countries

where women have ever enjoyed anything resembling Western legal rights were both brutal but secular dictatorships -- Saddam's iraq and the Shah's Iran.

Which says something about islam, I think.

[smirkymonkey]

115. Interesting point.

Religion poisons everything.